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[Worthy4England]

Strongly disagree anyway. If they're all fit it's a very good (seam) attack.

But it's no use because they're never fit. And I'm yet to be convinced on spin!

Even if they were fully fit I don’t think they are very good or even good. Wood and Archer are both inconsistent short spell quicks but lack the length and line control that I think is needed.

Gus is probably the one you’d say could be a consistent test bowler.

Carse is a 4th seamer type. Woakes…not sure what to say about him but has to look of a total trundler these days.

It’s sort of inevitable post Broad and Anderson - two of the greatest fast bowlers ever - that we’d struggle a bit but I think we are struggling partly because we didn’t really have a plan. We are just flirting round from one quick to the next. Yea we’ve had some injuries and I agree with Worthy that there is not a lot we can do - we have what we have.

But this side is not going to beat the better sides imo especially away from home. The ashes is more or less guaranteed to be a loss because we’ve not got a bowler I think really who comes close to their attack in those conditions. Indeed the weather this year is highlighting how without favourable conditions several of our bowlers are reminiscent of the attacks of the early 90’s.

I'm sort of with you, but you're looking for short term high impact with Jofra and Wood. You're not looking for them to run down the day clock - whether we can afford to play both at once, I dunno. You'd sort of be hoping Stokes was doing some as well as an all-rounder...

[BWFC_Insane]

Strongly disagree anyway. If they're all fit it's a very good (seam) attack.

But it's no use because they're never fit. And I'm yet to be convinced on spin!

Even if they were fully fit I don’t think they are very good or even good. Wood and Archer are both inconsistent short spell quicks but lack the length and line control that I think is needed.

Gus is probably the one you’d say could be a consistent test bowler.

Carse is a 4th seamer type. Woakes…not sure what to say about him but has to look of a total trundler these days.

It’s sort of inevitable post Broad and Anderson - two of the greatest fast bowlers ever - that we’d struggle a bit but I think we are struggling partly because we didn’t really have a plan. We are just flirting round from one quick to the next. Yea we’ve had some injuries and I agree with Worthy that there is not a lot we can do - we have what we have.

But this side is not going to beat the better sides imo especially away from home. The ashes is more or less guaranteed to be a loss because we’ve not got a bowler I think really who comes close to their attack in those conditions. Indeed the weather this year is highlighting how without favourable conditions several of our bowlers are reminiscent of the attacks of the early 90’s.

I'm sort of with you, but you're looking for short term high impact with Jofra and Wood. You're not looking for them to run down the day clock - whether we can afford to play both at once, I dunno. You'd sort of be hoping Stokes was doing some as well as an all-rounder...

Yeah you are looking for short term impact but how many times will either threaten the stumps of the best batsmen? At their best sure I can see either being a handful in spells. But you need them to either take a lot of wickets in those spells or for others to do so and I don’t see either happening.

Neither are likely to be prolific in tests tbh.

[Worthy4England]

They just need to be good enough in one series on fast wickets to attain immortality. You probably don't forget Jofra getting the Aussies jumping at home.

[BWFC_Insane]

They just need to be good enough in one series on fast wickets to attain immortality. You probably don't forget Jofra getting the Aussies jumping at home.

Didn’t win it though did we? Nor did he take many wickets iirc.

[Worthy4England]

They just need to be good enough in one series on fast wickets to attain immortality. You probably don't forget Jofra getting the Aussies jumping at home.

Didn’t win it though did we? Nor did he take many wickets iirc.

Well no, but neither did Harmison and Jones! We won that series, didn't we?