Fatal Stabbing today in Bradshawgate

[Gravedigger]

Geographically speaking, does this mean you can call an Aussie or Kiwi an Asian and would he/she be insulted?
On the subject of gangs of lads and stirring up, my kid brother used to wind up the biggest guy in the pub then hide behind my other brother and myself. Fortunately it never amounted to very much and we'd sometimes have to give him a slap to keep him in line. Old mantra from the forces "Run towards a gun but away from a knife." Give the boggers life for carrying one because, as mentioned, if you carry a weapon you have it in mind to use it.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

One thought, which may open a can of worms I have no intention of eating: isn't a knife one of a sikh's sacred possessions?

(Quick search)

Ah yes - for non-violent prevention of aggression
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirpan

[communistworkethic]

It is but there's no indictaion they were Sikhs.

[TANGODANCER]

Had to laugh at "riviting the knife to the sheath" to comply with the law. What does a Sikh do to comply with the religious usage to prevent someone being attacked; use it as a hammer?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

It is but there's no indictaion they were Sikhs.

No indeed. No religious identification at all.
There was talk that anyone leaving the house with a knife should be locked up forever, which is understandable in a way, but a bugger for some - including the main importer of Swiss Army Knives...

[communistworkethic]

It is but there's no indictaion they were Sikhs.

No indeed. No religious identification at all.
There was talk that anyone leaving the house with a knife should be locked up forever, which is understandable in a way, but a bugger for some - including the main importer of Swiss Army Knives...

or the butcher, or chef, or fisherman...

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

It is but there's no indictaion they were Sikhs.

No indeed. No religious identification at all.
There was talk that anyone leaving the house with a knife should be locked up forever, which is understandable in a way, but a bugger for some - including the main importer of Swiss Army Knives...

or the butcher, or chef, or fisherman...

I was trying to think of people who might need knives for their jobs, and came up blank!

[thebish]

It is but there's no indictaion they were Sikhs.

No indeed. No religious identification at all.
There was talk that anyone leaving the house with a knife should be locked up forever, which is understandable in a way, but a bugger for some - including the main importer of Swiss Army Knives...

or the butcher, or chef, or fisherman...

I was trying to think of people who might need knives for their jobs, and came up blank!

Circus knife-thrower??? traveling knife-sharpener? commando??

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

commando??

No, I'm fully briefed.

[Montreal Wanderer]

One thought, which may open a can of worms I have no intention of eating: isn't a knife one of a sikh's sacred possessions?

(Quick search)

Ah yes - for non-violent prevention of aggression
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirpan

We have recently had a case in Canada that my friend Julius Grey took to the Supreme Court and won. Does a School Board have the right to ban a Sikh student from wearing a kirpan? Julius was for the Sikhs. However, there was the question of resonable accomodation - e.g. the kirpan could be small and sewn inside the clothes. I don't think the question of rivets came up.

[TANGODANCER]

One thought, which may open a can of worms I have no intention of eating: isn't a knife one of a sikh's sacred possessions?

(Quick search)

Ah yes - for non-violent prevention of aggression
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirpan

We have recently had a case in Canada that my friend Julius Grey took to the Supreme Court and won. Does a School Board have the right to ban a Sikh student from wearing a kirpan? Julius was for the Sikhs. However, there was the question of resonable accomodation - e.g. the kirpan could be small and sewn inside the clothes. I don't think the question of rivets came up.

From the link: Some regulations allow the kirpan under certain restrictions; for example, rules in some California schools require that the kirpan be blunted and riveted into a sheath. This prevents any possible use of the kirpan as a weapon, but still allows it as a physical symbol of faith.

[enfieldwhite]

One thought, which may open a can of worms I have no intention of eating: isn't a knife one of a sikh's sacred possessions?

(Quick search)

Ah yes - for non-violent prevention of aggression
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirpan

We have recently had a case in Canada that my friend Julius Grey took to the Supreme Court and won. Does a School Board have the right to ban a Sikh student from wearing a kirpan? Julius was for the Sikhs. However, there was the question of resonable accomodation - e.g. the kirpan could be small and sewn inside the clothes. I don't think the question of rivets came up.

From the link: Some regulations allow the kirpan under certain restrictions; for example, rules in some California schools require that the kirpan be blunted and riveted into a sheath. This prevents any possible use of the kirpan as a weapon, but still allows it as a physical symbol of faith.

But if he were a BA employee would result in a suspension.

[communistworkethic]

no, that's an overt visible symbol of faith.

In her words she wears it "to demonstrate to people that Jesus loves them".


She's not been banned from wearing it, just not on visible display. She wears a uniform, it's not part of it, those are the rules. A turban can't really be hidden under something other than a hat, and if they don't wear a hat, well you do the math, as the youngsters on TV seem to say.

More fuss over nothing.

[Batman]

So a turban is allowed, because it cannot be hidden.....if she wore a three foot long cross she would be OK?

[thebish]

So a turban is allowed, because it cannot be hidden.....if she wore a three foot long cross she would be OK?

the Bible says nowt about wearing a cross... it does urge followers to "pick up their cross and follow" - if she was being biblically literal about it all, she'd carry a six-foot cross (or possibly the beam of a cross) around with her. That wouldn't count as jewelry, so I guess she'd be OK... err...

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

So a turban is allowed, because it cannot be hidden.....if she wore a three foot long cross she would be OK?

the Bible says nowt about wearing a cross... it does urge followers to "pick up their cross and follow" - if she was being biblically literal about it all, she'd carry a six-foot cross (or possibly the beam of a cross) around with her. That wouldn't count as jewelry, so I guess she'd be OK... err...

Imagine trailing that up and down the aisle all the way to Singapore and back.

[Montreal Wanderer]

So a turban is allowed, because it cannot be hidden.....if she wore a three foot long cross she would be OK?

the Bible says nowt about wearing a cross... it does urge followers to "pick up their cross and follow" - if she was being biblically literal about it all, she'd carry a six-foot cross (or possibly the beam of a cross) around with her. That wouldn't count as jewelry, so I guess she'd be OK... err...

Imagine trailing that up and down the aisle all the way to Singapore and back.

She's not a stewardess (trust me I've seen her picture).

Over here all hockey players must wear a helmet. Our Sikh children (when IO coached) had long hair bundled up on top with a covering (not a full turban). Still they have to wear a helmet many sizes too large which presents an inconguous spectacle.

[TANGODANCER]

Monty Panesar's a Sikh isn't he? He wears a much cut down version of a turban which fits under a cricket helmet when playing..

[Zulus Thousand of em]

Monty Panesar's a Sikh isn't he? He wears a much cut down version of a turban which fits under a cricket helmet when playing..

He is indeed, TD. When I was in the army we had two Sikhs in our squadron who wore navy blue turbans with the Corps cap badge used as a fastener, instead of the berets the rest of us wore. Very smart they looked too.

Great guys, Sikhs. Zulu's tip? Never pick a fight with one. Hard as nails!

[TANGODANCER]

Great guys, Sikhs. Zulu's tip? Never pick a fight with one. Hard as nails!

Met one at a bus stop a couple of years ago. He worked in Manchester and we travelled to and from work together for a while. Started off saying "morning" etc and got to know him well enough to become friends. Really nice guy. Always wore the full turban and was a very smart man.