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[TANGODANCER]

How did we become so weak as a nation?

I could tell you, but that would be politics and we don't do politics; it's banned.

No it's not - fire away. I'd be interested anyway.

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Tis simple dear boy: Legions of bleeding-heart liberals started simpering campaigns to please, or not to offend others, parental and teacher control disappeared, the police lost their powers against all but terrorism, the courts pampered young offenders instead of punishing them, respect disappeared, particularly for the elderly (no, not a personal whine, I just give it em back), and anyone who thinks the Queen rules the country is delusional. It's useful for the government to have a figure head (who the hell would we make emperor anyway?, Gordon Brown and co, you're having a laugh) but all the hangers on to the monarchy are a sad joke and the politicions and statemen are as bad as anything the medieval robber barons got slated for..

Kids whine about school being too hard, and why work when you can get a council house and allowances by making a fourteen year old pregnant. Crime used to be an embarrassment, now it's a respect token, kids walk about with knives and guns and punishment is giving them tokens to spend. We need judges, politicians and the members of all those committees, who actually know what a housing estate is and what street life is all about. Beggars used to be old men in rags living rough, now they're twenty-somethings with designer trainers peeping out from under blankets as they sit under cash points and beg drink and drug money.

Have I missed anything? Oh aye, Immigration and the amount of id stealing and internet fraud.

There, that's better. I'm all right now. Rant over.

[Soldier_Of_The_White_Army]

'You know what, me and all my mates here can't be arsed to work, we want to get /pissed/high/fed/housed without the rigmarall ( rigmarole? ) of having to earn it.

As opposed to what?

What?

[TANGODANCER]

How did we become so weak as a nation?

I could tell you, but that would be politics and we don't do politics; it's banned.

No it's not - fire away. I'd be interested anyway.

.

Tis simple dear boy: Legions of bleeding-heart liberals started simpering campaigns to please, or not to offend others, parental and teacher control disappeared, the police lost their powers against all but terrorism, the courts pampered young offenders instead of punishing them, respect disappeared, particularly for the elderly (no, not a personal whine, I just give it em back), and anyone who thinks the Queen rules the country is delusional. It's useful for the government to have a figure head (who the hell would we make emperor anyway?, Gordon Brown and co, you're having a laugh) but all the hangers on to the monarchy are a sad joke and the politicions and statemen are as bad as anything the medieval robber barons got slated for..

Kids whine about school being too hard, and why work when you can get a council house and allowances by making a fourteen year old pregnant. Crime used to be an embarrassment, now it's a respect token, kids walk about with knives and guns and punishment is giving them tokens to spend. We need judges, politicians and the members of all those committees, who actually know what a housing estate is and what street life is all about. Beggars used to be old men in rags living rough, now they're twenty-somethings with designer trainers peeping out from under blankets as they sit under cash points and beg drink and drug money.

Have I missed anything? Oh aye, Immigration and the amount of id stealing and internet fraud.




There, that's better. I'm all right now. Rant over.

[Daxter]

No sterotypes or generalisations there I see.

[CrazyHorse]

No sterotypes or generalisations there I see.

None that I could see, no.

[Daxter]

No sterotypes or generalisations there I see.

None that I could see, no.

So, all 'kids' walk around with guns and knives' and see crime as something that gains them 'respect'?

And don't get me wrong there are plenty of scum like that who I hate with a passion, but I was in the age group TANGO is probably referring to about 2-4 years ago(thank feck i'm not any more) and I think it is a big generalisation to make.

[TANGODANCER]

No sterotypes or generalisations there I see.

None that I could see, no.

So, all 'kids' walk around with guns and knives' and see crime as something that gains them 'respect'?

And don't get me wrong there are plenty of scum like that who I hate with a passion, but I was in the age group TANGO is probably referring to about 2-4 years ago(thank feck i'm not any more) and I think it is a big generalisation to make.

I granted you enough inteligence to know that I didn't mean the whole British world young man. And I don't remember using the word "all" anywhere, I have kids and grandkids of my own. (edit, and there are millions like them and you, will that do? I think you'd have know something of a previous generation to understand how different it once was. I, unfortunately do. Police cars in Manchester carry the slogan "Fighting Crime- Protecting the people". Unfortunately the police only get in on crime, in the main, after one has been committed. Crime prevention is the key, not investigating it after it happens and that is the missing link these days. Not really the fault of the police, more the government tying their hands with the pipe-dream of making good boys of bad fourteen year olds. Prevention has always been better than any cure.

[TANGODANCER]

Hoss, I have a double post up here. Would you delete the first one please?

[Daxter]

Fair enough Tango- and i know where you are coming from, infact I pretty much agree you. Although I do think the little scrotes who behave in such a deplorable manner need much more harsher treatment than they receive.

[communistworkethic]

why has tango been allowed to cut and paste yesterdays daily mail in to his post?

[Zulus Thousand of em]

Fighting Crime- Protecting the people - Eating Doughnuts

[TANGODANCER]

why has tango been allowed to cut and paste yesterdays daily mail in to his post?

Tango doesn't read the Daily Mail, take that as definite; and I only replied to soldier's question "Why have we bcome so weak as a nation?". I was also hesitant to post anything politics related until Mummy invited me to do so. What exactly did the Daily Mail have to say?

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

It's a general cultural change that you describe, more than anything specifically political.

We're fecked anyway. I honestly think I'll end up living abroad.

[delanotte]

Unfortunately theres few places overseas to move to, to avoid this, speaking from Australia, at least in South - West Sydney, this kind of thing is very common, among other crimes.

[communistworkethic]

why has tango been allowed to cut and paste yesterdays daily mail in to his post?

Tango doesn't read the Daily Mail, take that as definite; and I only replied to soldier's question "Why have we bcome so weak as a nation?". I was also hesitant to post anything politics related until Mummy invited me to do so. What exactly did the Daily Mail have to say?

probbaly everthing you posted, as it does everyday plus it likes to throw some of the blame on immigration too

[Montreal Wanderer]

It's a general cultural change that you describe, more than anything specifically political.

We're fecked anyway. I honestly think I'll end up living abroad.

Certainly worth considering.

[TANGODANCER]

It's a general cultural change that you describe, more than anything specifically political. We're fecked anyway. I honestly think I'll end up living abroad.

For my money all cultural change begins in the house of the mighty on the banks of the Thames. Policy is decided there and local councils simply implement the wishes of their masters.

Oh, and Commie, immigration, as I mention it, is not an attack on people of other countries coming here to live; that happens in every advanced country. It's about the volume of it in what is basically a small gepgraphical location and also the amount of immigrants in our jails for crime. In Britain, unfortunately, it's the empiring of our predecessors coming home to roost. The "plant a flag, give the local chief a picture of the Queen and call it England" backfiring on us. Someone once quoted: "The only problem with the English is, everywhere they went they brought souveniers home with them". We spend too much time on the so-called big picture and not enough on getting our own house in order. It's my view, and I didn't really want to get into politics anyway. Roll on the dancing and rugby,
much more my style.

[communistworkethic]

well, the Dailiy Mail doesn't quites share all your views then.

But let me put this idea to you, it's actually your generation, and your father's, that has most to answer for, as it was the post-war period that set the foundations for the liberalisation of society's attitudes. They are also the ones that have held the power for the majority of that ensuing period and have set the political, social and moral agenda. While you ask for respect for elders, it was your generation and that immediately before you that perhaps lead the way on the lowered level of respect for your elders. While I have no doubt you will tell me that you personally never had anything but respect for your elders I would point you the times in which you have lived and the social change you went through when you wee in your teens, 20s, 30s and even 40s.

[50sQuiff]

It's a general cultural change that you describe, more than anything specifically political.

We're fecked anyway. I honestly think I'll end up living abroad.

Cultural change yes, but this change was driven, to a large extent, by political doctrine. Political ideologies have always sought to restructure society to serve their social models. People are culturally reconstructed in the process. Perhaps one to continue over a flagon of Munich's finest. Tango may not be right, but he's on the right lines.

I'm sorry to hear about your family's recent experiences, Tango. I would've handed over they keys. Discretion is the better... and all that.

[TANGODANCER]

well, the Dailiy Mail doesn't quites share all your views then.

But let me put this idea to you, it's actually your generation, and your father's, that has most to answer for, as it was the post-war period that set the foundations for the liberalisation of society's attitudes. They are also the ones that have held the power for the majority of that ensuing period and have set the political, social and moral agenda. While you ask for respect for elders, it was your generation and that immediately before you that perhaps lead the way on the lowered level of respect for your elders. While I have no doubt you will tell me that you personally never had anything but respect for your elders I would point you the times in which you have lived and the social change you went through when you wee in your teens, 20s, 30s and even 40s.

Well, of course I knew it wouldn't be today's perfect citizens. All too easy to lay the blame on anyone in the past for the present ills. Happens all the time. I expect it. Since a big percentage of my generation are under six feet of earth, and the previous one definitely are, what an easy stance to take. Are you then happy with what's happening today and disputing we need to get a grip and change it? That's the fault of my generation? Is it really not more the fault of yours, ie the present one I would think since it's now we have the problems?

A large part of our upbringing was moulded in childhood when we were punished either at home, or at school, in addition to getting a clip around the ear from a policeman for all forms of wrong-doing ; the abolition of parental/teacher/police control had most to do with what followed. It wasn't the working classes that abolished it but Parliment's desire to do what other countries said was right. As for quoting a different attitude in the years after a world war, well, should we still be having black-outs and using ration books? Of course time moves on, but so should standards and we should be living in an improved world sixty years after the same world war, not a deteriorating one..Sixty years of progress and old people are afraid to walk the streets, boy, that's some progress. And you want to blame that on rock and roll?

The progress in the world of technology means little when the tools of that same progress: the internet, mobile phones and electronic gadgetry etc, are now the main weapons of criminals. Why blame the past generations for that in this so-called brave new world? It isn't my generation either that need worry about it, it's yours and your kids. Trouble is, we also have grandkids and their descendants to think of. The country is in a far bigger mess then most people realise. Quoting history as being to blame will solve nothing whatsoever.