Teenager faces prosecution for calling Scientology 'cult'

[CrazyHorse]

A debate on religion and second -in -command atheist Lennon hasn't appeared? Amazing, has he been converted?

As you are fully aware Lennon was banned for life for his disagreements with you.

I would have thought that such an advocate of Christianity that you would have asked for him to be forgiven of his 'sins' rather to make a cheap joke at his 'suffering'?

Not being a mod at the time, no, I'm sure I wasn't aware of that- although I do admit my memory isn't quite what it was- and I actually exchanged pm's with him without malice. I would have no problem whatsoever in him being re-instated. If I do remember it wasn't so much my views, but the attacks they came under for defending them, that led to religion becoming a banned topic. Might have actually been useful if you yourself had pm'd me at the time with your views rather than waiting this long.

Ah well, there goes another religious-linked thread that couldn't be conducted without malice I suppose . You see it's always the non-believers that do all the attacking of beliefs, the believers don't really care what others do or even try to convince them they're wrong. People believe or not as they wish. As it should be. I stated I wouldn't get involved on that topic, and I haven't.......and still the nastiness creeps in.

have i missed something? i havent noticed anything on this thread malicious? disagreements yes, but nothing malicious or out of order, non? i was quite enjoying the debate or is that only me ?

Don't worry about it. Feel free to debate on!

[Prufrock]

well until the last few posts. hadnt read those properly. i really hope people can discuss religion like anything else, something than can be critisised and defended, but within reason and at the end of the day with everyones right to their own beliefs upheld. i think an important part of life is to challenge every view you hold, on every matter, all the time. if a debate helps you to do this then i dont think it should be shrunk from as long as it doesnt degenerate into personal criticism. howevet i suspect there is a history here i wasnt aware of and if anything i or anyone has said on this thread has inflammed that then i hope it gets sorted

[TANGODANCER]

Nothing whatsoever wrong with the discussion Prufrock, twas very civilised and enjoyable. It can continue that way for me. The rest is past history and best left alone.

[Prufrock]

Nothing whatsoever wrong with the discussion Prufrock, twas very civilised and enjoyable. It can continue that way for me. The rest is past history and best left alone.

good good. anyway i think this thread went off topic a little. what are people's views on scientology? not so much the faith itself which obviously people are entitled to, but more their practices.

http://whyaretheydead.net/

signs of something sinister, or scaremongering?

[InsaneApache]

I'm sad to hear that Lennon was banned. I didn't always agree with him but still....

[TANGODANCER]

what are people's views on scientology? not so much the faith itself which obviously people are entitled to, but more their practices.
http://whyaretheydead.net/
signs of something sinister, or scaremongering?

Makes disturbing reading that's for sure. Way I see any of these organisations is that young kids are joining, them because of adverse publicity by well-known personalities, without knowing what they're getting into. Can't agree with any organisation that prevents people leaving anytime they like. What they teach, and who cares to believe it, should be adult decisions at best and freedom of choice should be paramount. Several years ago there was much disagreement within Spanish Gypsy communities. I'm almost certain that Scientology ( Or was it the Church of Christian Science ?)was something to do with it. It divided families and caused a lot of severe stress. Whatever, it went totally against the long-held beliefs of a basically Catholic county.

[sluffy]

A debate on religion and second -in -command atheist Lennon hasn't appeared? Amazing, has he been converted?

As you are fully aware Lennon was banned for life for his disagreements with you.

I would have thought that such an advocate of Christianity that you would have asked for him to be forgiven of his 'sins' rather to make a cheap joke at his 'suffering'?

Not being a mod at the time, no, I'm sure I wasn't aware of that- although I do admit my memory isn't quite what it was- and I actually exchanged pm's with him without malice. I would have no problem whatsoever in him being re-instated. If I do remember it wasn't so much my views, but the attacks they came under for defending them, that led to religion becoming a banned topic. Might have actually been useful if you yourself had pm'd me at the time with your views rather than waiting this long.

Ah well, there goes another religious-linked thread that couldn't be conducted without malice I suppose . You see it's always the non-believers that do all the attacking of beliefs, the believers don't really care what others do or even try to convince them they're wrong. People believe or not as they wish. As it should be. I stated I wouldn't get involved on that topic, and I haven't.......and still the nastiness creeps in.

I registered my view at the time on another forum on tw to which we both belonged and on which you participated in the discussion.

I felt that it was wrong that two posters - saying more or less the same thing - were treated differently - one was banned for life (Lennon) whilst the other was not.

I argued (once again) for people to be treated equally on tw - and (once again) I was ignored.

As for bringing malice and nastiness into the debate?

have i missed something? i havent noticed anything on this thread malicious? disagreements yes, but nothing malicious or out of order, non? i was quite enjoying the debate or is that only me ?

[TANGODANCER]

[I registered my view at the time on another forum on tw to which we both belonged and on which you participated in the discussion.

I felt that it was wrong that two posters - saying more or less the same thing - were treated differently - one was banned for life (Lennon) whilst the other was not.

I argued (once again) for people to be treated equally on tw - and (once again) I was ignored.

As for bringing malice into the debate?

Well, in the interests of site practise, how about letting it drop? It's past history and nobody's at war here........yet

[sluffy]

A debate on religion and second -in -command atheist Lennon hasn't appeared? Amazing, has he been converted?

As you are fully aware Lennon was banned for life for his disagreements with you.

I would have thought that such an advocate of Christianity that you would have asked for him to be forgiven of his 'sins' rather to make a cheap joke at his 'suffering'?

If only poeple were banned for not knowing when to shut the fook up and let sleeping dogs lie, eh sluffy?

If you are going to ban me for speaking honestly then go ahead and do it - if you're not then don't threaten it.

Eh Crazy

[TANGODANCER]

Ah, yes. Scientology...Now then, where were we up to?

[Montreal Wanderer]

so someone who studies the Shroud of Turin.

I seem to recall them running some carbon date tests on it about ten years ago and they all dated it back only as far as about the 14th Century. Summat like that anyway.

A little more controversy since then: Tests are currently underway on the Shroud because of some error in the dating process which may put a different spin on things. All I know, fromt he latest programme I saw, is that another small scrap has been allowed for tests. The results, as far as I know, haven't been published as yet. The finest brains and technology in the world, however, despite many years of research, still can't explain how the image got on the Shroud.

To return to the scientific side, - Yes, earlier carbon dating (in Oxford) I think is being checked with more up to date equipment. However, the chap in charge said he seriously doubt the earlier tests would be out by as much as a thousand years.

[CrazyHorse]

A debate on religion and second -in -command atheist Lennon hasn't appeared? Amazing, has he been converted?

As you are fully aware Lennon was banned for life for his disagreements with you.

I would have thought that such an advocate of Christianity that you would have asked for him to be forgiven of his 'sins' rather to make a cheap joke at his 'suffering'?

If only poeple were banned for not knowing when to shut the fook up and let sleeping dogs lie, eh sluffy?

If you are going to ban me for speaking honestly then go ahead and do it - if you're not then don't threaten it.

Eh Crazy

It's not a threat. Your move.

[sluffy]

A debate on religion and second -in -command atheist Lennon hasn't appeared? Amazing, has he been converted?

As you are fully aware Lennon was banned for life for his disagreements with you.

I would have thought that such an advocate of Christianity that you would have asked for him to be forgiven of his 'sins' rather to make a cheap joke at his 'suffering'?

If only poeple were banned for not knowing when to shut the fook up and let sleeping dogs lie, eh sluffy?

If you are going to ban me for speaking honestly then go ahead and do it - if you're not then don't threaten it.

Eh Crazy

It's not a threat. Your move.

I'm not the one playing a game. I stated a fact. It was you who referred to the past events.

Either ban me or leave me be - your choice.

[InsaneApache]

It has to be said that the 'moderation' on this site is a bit, let's just say, haphazard. More times than I care to remember quotes and threads just disappear. No explanation, no rationale, no openess.

Seems like a personal agenda is operating sometimes. IMO

[Worthy4England]

There's obviously a huge conspiracy going on, driven to a hidden agenda by the mods who are full of vested interests and give their time for gratis....

[InsaneApache]

There's obviously a huge conspiracy going on, driven to a hidden agenda by the mods who are full of vested interests and give their time for gratis....

That's just bollocks as you know. However, I stand by my last post.

[TANGODANCER]

I need to nail this right now. There is no, repeat, no, personal agenda anywhere. What there is is something that should have died ages ago because it was dealt with and didn't need resurrecting (an unintentional wording but, I'll leave it anyway).
Sluffy (an ex-mod) , who should know better, brought up a past and very unfortunate incident. It's past and done with and I urge him to leave it alone and let the thread continue. There's a reason, based on site rules, for everything mods and admin do, and no secret handshake stuff. Mods are normal people who sometimes err ( as I did in accidentally deleting one of Sluffy's posts not long ago. Something he made a mountain of, despite my appology) I hope this is enough of enough and Sluffy will respect this request for common sense in the interests of the site. .

[Bruce Rioja]

Sorry, I'm really not helping here but I've been dying to use that picture for yonks. As you were.

[communistworkethic]

what are people's views on scientology? not so much the faith itself which obviously people are entitled to, but more their practices.
http://whyaretheydead.net/
signs of something sinister, or scaremongering?

Makes disturbing reading that's for sure. Way I see any of these organisations is that young kids are joining, them because of adverse publicity by well-known personalities, without knowing what they're getting into. Can't agree with any organisation that prevents people leaving anytime they like. What they teach, and who cares to believe it, should be adult decisions at best and freedom of choice should be paramount. Several years ago there was much disagreement within Spanish Gypsy communities. I'm almost certain that Scientology ( Or was it the Church of Christian Science ?)was something to do with it. It divided families and caused a lot of severe stress. Whatever, it went totally against the long-held beliefs of a basically Catholic county.

maybe it's just me being the "anti-god" but there seems just a wee hint of irony and contradiction in this (incorrect use of 'adverse' aside)

[TANGODANCER]

what are people's views on scientology? not so much the faith itself which obviously people are entitled to, but more their practices.
http://whyaretheydead.net/
signs of something sinister, or scaremongering?

Makes disturbing reading that's for sure. Way I see any of these organisations is that young kids are joining, them because of adverse publicity by well-known personalities, without knowing what they're getting into. Can't agree with any organisation that prevents people leaving anytime they like. What they teach, and who cares to believe it, should be adult decisions at best and freedom of choice should be paramount. Several years ago there was much disagreement within Spanish Gypsy communities. I'm almost certain that Scientology ( Or was it the Church of Christian Science ?)was something to do with it. It divided families and caused a lot of severe stress. Whatever, it went totally against the long-held beliefs of a basically Catholic county.

maybe it's just me being the "anti-god" but there seems just a wee hint of irony and contradiction in this (incorrect use of 'adverse' aside)

The publicity is "adverse" in as much as kids are taking notice of it because of film and TV personalities being involved. I think you well know what I meant. The topic is the dangers of Scientology, and like organisitions, where people are prevented from leaving, nothing else. Let's stick with it hey?