Oh Lord!!!

[Harry Genshaw]

So a bloke pisses through someone's letter box and its fair do's that he's stabbed to death.

Whats the fair penalty for someone who prangs your car when drunk then?

Pop round his house and rape his wife and 5 year old daughter? Or perhaps just give him a good beating and make sure there is some brain damage!

Fook me.

If it happened at my house tonight I'm sure I'd be outraged and if he was smaller than me I'd probably give him a good shoeing. If he did it when I'd spent the previous umpteen nights cowering in my own house because of similar ongoing activity, then it's possible I would have done the same as this poor chap.

[Montreal Wanderer]

The thing is a punch in the nose (common assault) or a rounders bat on the bell end (somewhat uncommon assault) or calling the police (sensible if pointless) or starting a neighbourhood watch are all a little different from picking up a seven inch kitchen knife and sticking it in someone's stomach. Someone moreover who was likely drunk and incapable. Acting like an idiot or being a chav should not be a death sentence. I'm a bit surprised at some who condone this (not hobo of course).

[Worthy4England]

The thing is a punch in the nose (common assault) or a rounders bat on the bell end (somewhat uncommon assault) or calling the police (sensible if pointless) or starting a neighbourhood watch are all a little different from picking up a seven inch kitchen knife and sticking it in someone's stomach. Someone moreover who was likely drunk and incapable. Acting like an idiot or being a chav should not be a death sentence. I'm a bit surprised at some who condone this (not hobo of course).

In fairness Monty, I think plenty of people are just pi$$ed off with a lot of the general scrotery going on in the UK these days. Tosspots break into your property, and to a lot of people nowt's done about it even when they're caught.

I think people would be less likely to take the law into their own hands, or be supportive of cases like this, if the law was generally perceived as offering a deterrent.

[Prufrock]

So a bloke pisses through someone's letter box and its fair do's that he's stabbed to death.

Whats the fair penalty for someone who prangs your car when drunk then?

Pop round his house and rape his wife and 5 year old daughter? Or perhaps just give him a good beating and make sure there is some brain damage!

Fook me.

Not sure about the wife but I'd certainly nail the daughter.

Have a word with yourself.

Oh, and let me know how you react if some waste of space toerag ever pisses through your letterbox. Will you invite him in for a coffee?

They are of course the two only choices. Give them a drink, or kill them.

[Zulus Thousand of em]

So a bloke pisses through someone's letter box and its fair do's that he's stabbed to death.

Whats the fair penalty for someone who prangs your car when drunk then?

Pop round his house and rape his wife and 5 year old daughter? Or perhaps just give him a good beating and make sure there is some brain damage!

Fook me.

Not sure about the wife but I'd certainly nail the daughter.

Have a word with yourself.

Oh, and let me know how you react if some waste of space toerag ever pisses through your letterbox. Will you invite him in for a coffee?

They are of course the two only choices. Give them a drink, or kill them.

Quite right, Pru - and I would not stick a knife into him either. But I do not see how people can be surprised that some would, in the circs.

By the way, what if the houseowner just lamped the toerag and it turned out that said toerag had a fragile skull to go with his fragile brain and subsequently died? Manslaughter again and a custodial sentence. Now, that's not right either, is it?

[FaninOz]

I was told by some American friends that in Arizona and some other Southern States you could shoot an intruder providing he crossed your threshold, i.e. shoot first and ask questions later. Hence in such a case you'd just open the door, pull the guy into the house and then shoot him in self defence as urine could hold the aids virus. Case closed and you walk.

[Worthy4England]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-New ... From_Court

It's siht like this that goes to the wrong end of the scale at one end, that drives people to the wrong end of the scale at the other.

No custodial sentence for beating the crap out of a 62 year old dying of cancer.

[Lord Kangana]

So a bloke pisses through someone's letter box and its fair do's that he's stabbed to death.

Whats the fair penalty for someone who prangs your car when drunk then?

Pop round his house and rape his wife and 5 year old daughter? Or perhaps just give him a good beating and make sure there is some brain damage!

Fook me.

Not sure about the wife but I'd certainly nail the daughter.

Have a word with yourself.

Oh, and let me know how you react if some waste of space toerag ever pisses through your letterbox. Will you invite him in for a coffee?

They are of course the two only choices. Give them a drink, or kill them.

Quite right, Pru - and I would not stick a knife into him either. But I do not see how people can be surprised that some would, in the circs.

By the way, what if the houseowner just lamped the toerag and it turned out that said toerag had a fragile skull to go with his fragile brain and subsequently died? Manslaughter again and a custodial sentence. Now, that's not right either, is it?

I agree Zulu's, and I think this is the main issue.

Just by suggesting that stabbing someone to death is perhaps an overreaction, it doesn't automatically condone the act of pissing through someone's letterbox. Under the circumstances, I'd likely (in a rush of blood) run out and try and lamp them one. But then we have to try and maintain ourselves as a civil and functioning society somehow.

I'm not really sure exactly where the line is drawn, but I'm not really overjoyed by the idea that we should all be tooled up to the teeth in our own homes. I think that encourages a certain mind-set, and its not something I think is healthy.

[Big_Girl_Oral_Explosion]

In fairness Monty, I think plenty of people are just pi$$ed off with a lot of the general scrotery going on in the UK these days. Tosspots break into your property, and to a lot of people nowt's done about it even when they're caught.

I think people would be less likely to take the law into their own hands, or be supportive of cases like this, if the law was generally perceived as offering a deterrent.

Exactly!!!

But its all down to people who have a lack of respect for others and their property and no or little fear of the law or consequences of their actions. Their peer group, friends and parents usually have the same outlook on life and lack of values. They get to this stage through years of their misbehaving being tolerated starting at infant age.

As I have said before, this society is reaping what was sown by the great liberal experiment that stasrted in the 1960's. It will only get worse.

[Lord Kangana]

If we just killed everyone, there would be no problems.

Great liberal experiment? You listen to Talksport and read The Mail, don't you.

[InsaneApache]

So a bloke pisses through someone's letter box and its fair do's that he's stabbed to death.

Whats the fair penalty for someone who prangs your car when drunk then?

Pop round his house and rape his wife and 5 year old daughter? Or perhaps just give him a good beating and make sure there is some brain damage!

Fook me.

Not sure about the wife but I'd certainly nail the daughter.

Have a word with yourself.

Oh, and let me know how you react if some waste of space toerag ever pisses through your letterbox. Will you invite him in for a coffee?

They are of course the two only choices. Give them a drink, or kill them.

Quite right, Pru - and I would not stick a knife into him either. But I do not see how people can be surprised that some would, in the circs.

By the way, what if the houseowner just lamped the toerag and it turned out that said toerag had a fragile skull to go with his fragile brain and subsequently died? Manslaughter again and a custodial sentence. Now, that's not right either, is it?

I agree Zulu's, and I think this is the main issue.

Just by suggesting that stabbing someone to death is perhaps an overreaction, it doesn't automatically condone the act of pissing through someone's letterbox. Under the circumstances, I'd likely (in a rush of blood) run out and try and lamp them one. But then we have to try and maintain ourselves as a civil and functioning society somehow.

I'm not really sure exactly where the line is drawn, but I'm not really overjoyed by the idea that we should all be tooled up to the teeth in our own homes. I think that encourages a certain mind-set, and its not something I think is healthy.

No, me neither.

How about this one.

A couple of years ago, the wife and I were walking the dogs in the local park. A youth said something to my wife and she remonstrated with him. He and his mates, who looked about 14, started shouting and swearing at her, so i told her to walk away. Next thing a half charlie comes flying over my head, missing it by inches. I turned around just in time to duck from another one.

I ran at them and they ran away, whooping like baboons. I 'phoned the coppers who turned up about 20 minutes later. Great I thought. I told the coppers what had happened and one of them asked me if any of the bricks had hit us. I said no. Well then, he said, there's been no crime committed.

I looked at him in dis-belief. So, I said, if I chuck a brick at your head then you can't arrest me, as no crime has been committed. Don't get funny pal, came the reply.

But, this is the best bit. I said to the coppers, if I'd thought on, I'd have taken their photos with the phone. Oh, if you'd done that then we'd have to arrest you for being a peadeophile.

I wish Id left this country when I had the chance ten years ago.

Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime.

[Lord Kangana]

Surely at the very least that is an intent to hurt or frighten? I'm not advocating the police armed response unit going round their houses, but surely a knock on the door and "what has your son been up to?" wouldn't be out of place. Surely the police aren't there simply to deal with the aftermath of crime, but to provoide an elemnt of prevention?

[Big_Girl_Oral_Explosion]

If we just killed everyone, there would be no problems.

Great liberal experiment? You listen to Talksport and read The Mail, don't you.

sometimes and no.

but that is exactly the statement i would expect from you and your ilk. Bedwetting handwringers!

[Prufrock]

So a bloke pisses through someone's letter box and its fair do's that he's stabbed to death.

Whats the fair penalty for someone who prangs your car when drunk then?

Pop round his house and rape his wife and 5 year old daughter? Or perhaps just give him a good beating and make sure there is some brain damage!

Fook me.

Not sure about the wife but I'd certainly nail the daughter.

Have a word with yourself.

Oh, and let me know how you react if some waste of space toerag ever pisses through your letterbox. Will you invite him in for a coffee?

They are of course the two only choices. Give them a drink, or kill them.

Quite right, Pru - and I would not stick a knife into him either. But I do not see how people can be surprised that some would, in the circs.

By the way, what if the houseowner just lamped the toerag and it turned out that said toerag had a fragile skull to go with his fragile brain and subsequently died? Manslaughter again and a custodial sentence. Now, that's not right either, is it?

I agree Zulu's, and I think this is the main issue.

Just by suggesting that stabbing someone to death is perhaps an overreaction, it doesn't automatically condone the act of pissing through someone's letterbox. Under the circumstances, I'd likely (in a rush of blood) run out and try and lamp them one. But then we have to try and maintain ourselves as a civil and functioning society somehow.

I'm not really sure exactly where the line is drawn, but I'm not really overjoyed by the idea that we should all be tooled up to the teeth in our own homes. I think that encourages a certain mind-set, and its not something I think is healthy.

Pretty much sums up my feelings. I think if he had lamped him one, we would all see it as an understandable action in the heat of the moment. That incidentally is a defence to voluntary manslaughter. If the accused was provoked and this provocation caused him to act in way that the reasonable man would. In that case his sentence would have been much less, CPS guidelines indicate about 12months. Is that acceptable? I think that is a difficult one. The law has to say that killing somebody for pissing in a letterbox is wrong, it should however reflect both the intense provocation and the unfortunate nature of the fragile skull in that case. To impose no penalty would invite many attempts and appeals in similar cases where there has been no real provocation.

[TANGODANCER]

Surely at the very least that is an intent to hurt or frighten? I'm not advocating the police armed response unit going round their houses, but surely a knock on the door and "what has your son been up to?" wouldn't be out of place. Surely the police aren't there simply to deal with the aftermath of crime, but to provoide an elemnt of prevention?

Aye, based on the macho "Look what a hero I am, pxxsing through an old guy's letterbox" and knowing full well nobody will do fxxk all about it. That's what it's really all about. The deterrants should be in place before the event, not after, and there'd be a lot less crime all round. I doubt the homeowner had any intent at all to kill, but the other fella had every intent to do what he did.

[Prufrock]

Surely at the very least that is an intent to hurt or frighten? I'm not advocating the police armed response unit going round their houses, but surely a knock on the door and "what has your son been up to?" wouldn't be out of place. Surely the police aren't there simply to deal with the aftermath of crime, but to provoide an elemnt of prevention?

Aye, based on the macho "Look what a hero I am, pxxsing through an old guy's letterbox" and knowing full well nobody will do fxxk all about it. That's what it's really all about. The deterrants should be in place before the event, not after, and there'd be a lot less crime all round. I doubt the homeowner had any intent at all to kill, but the other fella had every intent to do what he did.

He went at him with a massive knife TD. I think the point is he did intend to kill him. If he hadn't I'd have a lot more sympathy.

[Lord Kangana]

If we just killed everyone, there would be no problems.

Great liberal experiment? You listen to Talksport and read The Mail, don't you.

sometimes and no.

but that is exactly the statement i would expect from you and your ilk. Bedwetting handwringers!

Good and, indeed, grief.

[TANGODANCER]

Surely at the very least that is an intent to hurt or frighten? I'm not advocating the police armed response unit going round their houses, but surely a knock on the door and "what has your son been up to?" wouldn't be out of place. Surely the police aren't there simply to deal with the aftermath of crime, but to provoide an elemnt of prevention?

Aye, based on the macho "Look what a hero I am, pxxsing through an old guy's letterbox" and knowing full well nobody will do fxxk all about it. That's what it's really all about. The deterrants should be in place before the event, not after, and there'd be a lot less crime all round. I doubt the homeowner had any intent at all to kill, but the other fella had every intent to do what he did.

He went at him with a massive knife TD. I think the point is he did intend to kill him. If he hadn't I'd have a lot more sympathy.

Since he's probably never knifed anything other than the Christmas turkey before, I very much doubt that. Cut him, frighten him off maybe, deliberate intent to kill, very doubtful. He used a kitchen knife he grabbed up, not a Rambo Special combat knife.

[Prufrock]

Surely at the very least that is an intent to hurt or frighten? I'm not advocating the police armed response unit going round their houses, but surely a knock on the door and "what has your son been up to?" wouldn't be out of place. Surely the police aren't there simply to deal with the aftermath of crime, but to provoide an elemnt of prevention?

Aye, based on the macho "Look what a hero I am, pxxsing through an old guy's letterbox" and knowing full well nobody will do fxxk all about it. That's what it's really all about. The deterrants should be in place before the event, not after, and there'd be a lot less crime all round. I doubt the homeowner had any intent at all to kill, but the other fella had every intent to do what he did.

He went at him with a massive knife TD. I think the point is he did intend to kill him. If he hadn't I'd have a lot more sympathy.

Since he's probably never knifed anything other than the Christmas turkey before, I very much doubt that. Cut him, frighten him off maybe, deliberate intent to kill, very doubtful. He used a kitchen knife he grabbed up, not a Rambo Special combat knife.

Legally there was almost certainly intent. A reasonable expectation of stabbing somebody in the stomach with a knife is that they will die. He knew that, and still did it.

[thebish]

Surely at the very least that is an intent to hurt or frighten? I'm not advocating the police armed response unit going round their houses, but surely a knock on the door and "what has your son been up to?" wouldn't be out of place. Surely the police aren't there simply to deal with the aftermath of crime, but to provoide an elemnt of prevention?

Aye, based on the macho "Look what a hero I am, pxxsing through an old guy's letterbox" and knowing full well nobody will do fxxk all about it. That's what it's really all about. The deterrants should be in place before the event, not after, and there'd be a lot less crime all round. I doubt the homeowner had any intent at all to kill, but the other fella had every intent to do what he did.

He went at him with a massive knife TD. I think the point is he did intend to kill him. If he hadn't I'd have a lot more sympathy.

Since he's probably never knifed anything other than the Christmas turkey before, I very much doubt that. Cut him, frighten him off maybe, deliberate intent to kill, very doubtful. He used a kitchen knife he grabbed up, not a Rambo Special combat knife.

pointless speculation surely?