What are you watching tonight?

[TANGODANCER]

When God Spoke English - The Making of the King James Bible on BBC 4. 400 years since its publication - David Edgar has written a play about it also, which I'll make an effort to see!:D

And you made of it all, what, good sir?

[Bruce Rioja]

Just watched Taken, with Liam Neeson. The action is very engaging but there isn't a single twist or unexpected event in the whole film and the ending is as predictable as you like.
I've seen a lot worse though. 3/5.

[William the White]

When God Spoke English - The Making of the King James Bible on BBC 4. 400 years since its publication - David Edgar has written a play about it also, which I'll make an effort to see!:D

And you made of it all, what, good sir?

Not taken by the programme particularly... The translation has such poetry and muscularity and I think the programme didn't really celebrate its beauty...

I'd also like more insight into the arguments that went on between the Bishops and Puritans...

Also, in the Guardian on Saturday it was suggested that the major source translation was William Tyndale's - round about 90%, including some of the most resonant phrases ('through a glass darkly'; 'the fat of the land'; etc) whereas this programme has the 'Bishop's Bible' as the main reference point - a comparatively anaemic text...

I stayed until the end, though...

Incidentally - do English-speaking Catholics use this translation or is there another you lot prefer?

[TANGODANCER]

When God Spoke English - The Making of the King James Bible on BBC 4. 400 years since its publication - David Edgar has written a play about it also, which I'll make an effort to see!:D

And you made of it all, what, good sir?

Not taken by the programme particularly... The translation has such poetry and muscularity and I think the programme didn't really celebrate its beauty...

I'd also like more insight into the arguments that went on between the Bishops and Puritans...

Also, in the Guardian on Saturday it was suggested that the major source translation was William Tyndale's - round about 90%, including some of the most resonant phrases ('through a glass darkly'; 'the fat of the land'; etc) whereas this programme has the 'Bishop's Bible' as the main reference point - a comparatively anaemic text...

I stayed until the end, though...

Incidentally - do English-speaking Catholics use this translation or is there another you lot prefer?

Firstly, an odd topic for an atheist Wiliam? , then "you lot" is a bit of a liberty to describe anyone who doesn't agree with you? I really have no idea what anyone else reads or prefers, but it was always "The Holy Bible" when I attended church (and apart from odd visits that isn't a very regular occasion). King James or anyone else wasn't even a consideration. Since The Bible as accredited to Moses was declared by Jesus as law where he himself was concerned, that was good enough for most of us. Hebrew to Greek, Greek to Latin, Coptic and Syriac, and an acceptance by most scholars that hardly anything has changed in the core of it all due to such careful translating is good enough to accept.

The arrogance and self-furtherance of kings and bishops isn't anything new. The program was interesting and didn't really give any cause for contoversy in highlighting this, and for me I'm quite happy to just accept the core of the Bible's teaching and the Ten Commandments. The "Church of Henry" was probably the best example of everybody seeing what they want to see and doing what they want to do.. The Puritans never had much chance of changing much when faced with the power and wealth of the bishops and the state combined. Every man to his own view....and all that.

[William the White]

When God Spoke English - The Making of the King James Bible on BBC 4. 400 years since its publication - David Edgar has written a play about it also, which I'll make an effort to see!:D

And you made of it all, what, good sir?

Not taken by the programme particularly... The translation has such poetry and muscularity and I think the programme didn't really celebrate its beauty...

I'd also like more insight into the arguments that went on between the Bishops and Puritans...

Also, in the Guardian on Saturday it was suggested that the major source translation was William Tyndale's - round about 90%, including some of the most resonant phrases ('through a glass darkly'; 'the fat of the land'; etc) whereas this programme has the 'Bishop's Bible' as the main reference point - a comparatively anaemic text...

I stayed until the end, though...

Incidentally - do English-speaking Catholics use this translation or is there another you lot prefer?

Firstly, an odd topic for an atheist Wiliam? ,

Don't think so Tango - I'm very interested in religion as a human construct, the way we tell stories to one another and try to deal with mystery. the principal ones being - 'how did this all start/' and 'what happens after we die?' How different societies produce different answers is fascinating, i think. especially for an atheist, who has no personal axe to grind

then "you lot" is a bit of a liberty to describe anyone who doesn't agree with you?

was meant fondly as someone who's shared a joke or two about religion- not dismissively

I really have no idea what anyone else reads or prefers, but it was always "The Holy Bible" when I attended church (and apart from odd visits that isn't a very regular occasion). King James or anyone else wasn't even a consideration. Since The Bible as accredited to Moses was declared by Jesus as law where he himself was concerned, that was good enough for most of us. Hebrew to Greek, Greek to Latin, Coptic and Syriac, and an acceptance by most scholars that hardly anything has changed in the core of it all due to such careful translating is good enough to accept.

I was only wondering whether English catholics used this translation of the Bible or had one they preferred, that's all. I agree that all translations have a great similarity - but the programme was about this one, that the protestants of England concocted. Bet 'you lot' use another.


The arrogance and self-furtherance of kings and bishops isn't anything new. The program was interesting and didn't really give any cause for contoversy in highlighting this, and for me I'm quite happy to just accept the core of the Bible's teaching and the Ten Commandments. The "Church of Henry" was probably the best example of everybody seeing what they want to see and doing what they want to do.. The Puritans never had much chance of changing much when faced with the power and wealth of the bishops and the state combined. Every man to his own view....and all that.

Eeeerrrmmmm... Cromwell... The power of the House of Commons... The primacy of Parliament... The most radical change ever in the British Constitution...

[Lord Kangana]

Anyway, I watched the Prestige for the first time last night. Can't believe that a film that good had completely passed me by.

[William the White]

Anyway, I watched the Prestige for the first time last night. Can't believe that a film that good had completely passed me by.

Yep - Good un.

[Lofthouse Lower]

The book is better

[TANGODANCER]

For WTW (to avoid repeating all the post). No ire in my post W, none at all (I did include a wink in there) just answers and questions. Catholics tend to use the full Bible before the "cuts". Apparently, the "Douey" version (although it's a name from the past ). You see, our Bibles and prayer books, Catechisms etc were always bought from Catholic sources so it wasn't a totally relevant point. I have a copy of the Gideon Bible (my wifes, who's Church of Henry ironically, and which is New Testament) on the book rack in front of me as I type.

In short, I'm neither a Bible scholar or any form of expert. The only thing that matters is the core teachings of the belief in God and Jesus and the difference between right and wrong and good and evil, not how poetically the words/translations come aross. As for Cromwell and all that, the Church of Henry soon regained its pomp and arrogance which is alive and well today. I could say much more on my views but you know the rules on religious debate on here as well as I do, and I can already hear the squeak of bishoply goloshers in the distance. We'll maybe have a personal chat about it all one day over a pint.

[Bruce Rioja]

As for Cromwell and all that, the Church of Henry soon regained its pomp and arrogance which is alive and well today. I could say much more on my views but you know the rules on religious debate on here as well as I do

As an uninterested observer I think that I've finally got the measure of these rules. Tango drops in some barbed comments about someone elses religion and then tries to hide behind a not-up-for-discussion facade.

[TANGODANCER]

As for Cromwell and all that, the Church of Henry soon regained its pomp and arrogance which is alive and well today. I could say much more on my views but you know the rules on religious debate on here as well as I do

As an uninterested observer I think that I've finally got the measure of these rules. Tango drops in some barbed comments about someone elses religion and then tries to hide behind a not-up-for-discussion facade.

Really? And I thought I was just having a conversation with WTW on a Bible TV programme, which I said I'd be happy to do in private so as not to bore all the uninterested observers. As such a one, if you have anything to say on the topic I'd be more than happy to discuss it. Spit it out.

[Lofthouse Lower]

I find it EXTREMELY boring. Maybe a better topic to navigate via PM eh boys

[Bruce Rioja]

As for Cromwell and all that, the Church of Henry soon regained its pomp and arrogance which is alive and well today. I could say much more on my views but you know the rules on religious debate on here as well as I do

As an uninterested observer I think that I've finally got the measure of these rules. Tango drops in some barbed comments about someone elses religion and then tries to hide behind a not-up-for-discussion facade.

Really? And I thought I was just having a conversation with WTW on a Bible TV programme, which I said I'd be happy to do in private so as not to bore all the uninterested observers. As such a one, if you have anything to say on the topic I'd be more than happy to discuss it. Spit it out.

Nothing at all to say on the tedious subject, Tango - merely making an observation.

[CrazyHorse]

Anyway, Tuesday night is Shameless night.

[clapton is god]

Finally got around to watching the first episode of Treme on Sky Atlantic.

A tremendous opening sequence, I thought, but not much beyond that. The acting was a little wooden and they had one of those stereotypical English reporters interviewing the John Goodman character. You know the kind, mouth full of plums like we think the Mercans think we are but have never actually heard anyone anywhere talk like!

I'll stick with it because whilst the program has its failings I thought it a really good showcase for New Orleans music culture. So much so that straight after watching I purchased a Louis Prima double album, an artist I hadn't previously been aware of.

[Lofthouse Lower]

My old man is SERIOUSLY into his Louis Prima, and though it's not really my usual fare (much more of a Pulp man) I cannot help but love his stuff.

Treme - dull, but then again so was the Wire at first

[General Mannerheim]

Just watched Taken, with Liam Neeson. The action is very engaging but there isn't a single twist or unexpected event in the whole film and the ending is as predictable as you like.
I've seen a lot worse though. 3/5.

Who is driving the boat at the end?

[Lofthouse Lower]

Boat driver in a sealed room that is unaware of the Bond/Bourne stuff going on.

[superjohnmcginlay]

Watched the first 2 of that Boardwalk Empire thing that I'm getting taped for me. S'alright. Not sure what all the fuss is about.

[Latham8wfc]

Just watched Taken, with Liam Neeson. The action is very engaging but there isn't a single twist or unexpected event in the whole film and the ending is as predictable as you like.
I've seen a lot worse though. 3/5.

Its a decent enough film but the one annoying point is where Neeson is captured after he is with the person who is trying to buy his daughter and handcuffed up in the boiler room. All the way through the film he has used his 'secret CIA' skills to manipulate information and situaitons to his advantage and when he is caught it is pure luck that he his handcuffed to the only pipe that he can break. I think the Bourne films especially the Ultimatium do this alot better....overall I agree 3/5.