Today I'm angry about.....

[CrazyHorse]

I didn't suggest he didn't until you mentioned it; and only then to point out that it wasn't in the quote I gave. Disingenuous? I'm not the one trying to put words into someone's mouth.

[Prufrock]

You can't 'lose' your human rights, that's the whole point. Everybody has them and no-one can take that away. What they can do is violate them. That's when the legal system, not mob action comes into play. At least in a civilised society.

[Montreal Wanderer]

You can't 'lose' your human rights, that's the whole point. Everybody has them and no-one can take that away. What they can do is violate them. That's when the legal system, not mob action comes into play. At least in a civilised society.

Also, alas, in "uncivilized" societies. All humans are subject to the laws of the jurisdiction in which they live. We may think chopping of a hand for theft constitutes cruel and unusual punishment, but it is not a violation of human rights per se.

[William the White]

I didn't suggest he didn't until you mentioned it; and only then to point out that it wasn't in the quote I gave. Disingenuous? I'm not the one trying to put words into someone's mouth.

But you are the one prepared to select the words that came out of my mouth. You ignore the fact that I said 'scrotes shamefully deny the human rights of others' and that 'I share the repulsion about this case'... So, I think you took the decision, for polemical reasons, to distort what I actually think. I don't mind the debate, it's just I think it should be conducted with integrity.

[Prufrock]

Today I'm angry about Facebook causes. What. Is. The. Point? I was just invited to join a cause for 'Blue ribbons stop child abuse'. I'm joining a cause about a ribbon? Ribbons are pretty pointless on their own. Facebook causes about said near pointless ribbons? Waste of time.

[Worthy4England]

I'm with LK, WtW and thebish. You wanna live in a vigilante paradise, then f*ck off to Gotham City. Normally intelligent posters turning into moronic club bashing thugs talking about retribution and teaching folk a lesson properly depresses me. Yey let's go back to being cavemen.

Instead, well just let the lunatics take over the asylum.

Turn a blind eye to violent robbery in people's homes.

Continue to get trampled on by thugs that perpetrate such crimes and allow the scrotes to effectively bully the population and take what the feck they want in what they make into their own private "feck society" club.

Lets continue being soft arsed wets. No fighting back. You know it's the only way forwards.

There are only two options. One is being violent vigilante thugs who kick the sh*t out of paediatricians.

To touche you, where did I say that? Lets jump from helping people in a scenario where they're looking to protect their home, straight to kicking paediatricians to death, in internet overstatment shocker.

My contention is that if someone is where they shouldn't be (as in "in your house", "in your car",

a) they have no "rights"

b) the incumbency should NOT be on the householder to assess what might constitute "reasonable force" and weigh up carfully whether they could subdue the people who are where they should not be by (for example) tickling them.

c) An invidivual should be able to defend their property (should they so wish - running away is still open to them) using any means necessary.

And before someone rolls out the "what about the scenario where someone meets someone else in the pub and takes them home, and they fall out" blah, blah. That scenario can happen today. I'm sure the police force that people are putting their faith in to resolve these problems will get to the bottom of it.

That's my point re:internet overstatement shocker. If you can go from my contention that cricket batting someone brain damaged in a thought out attack might not quite constitute justice, to me being a 'soft arsed wet', then it's fairly easy to take 'retribution supporting majority' and extend it to 'paediatrician mob'. That's what they thought they were part of. I'm sick of a refusal to be part of a pitchfork wielding vigilante mob being seen as some indicator of 'softness', and not 'civilisation'. Do I think 3 years for rape is a joke? Yes. Do I think often sentences are too lenient, and do I think the idea of dramatically reduced sentences for 'good behaviour' is a joke? Yes. Do I think the only alternative is personal violence and individually exacted violence? No. I think that when defining 'reasonable force', the benefit o fthe doubt should be with the home owner. That doesn't mean anything goes.

As for human rights, they are unconditional. That's why they are called human rights, not white people rights, or female rights, or non-criminal rights. I'm also perplexed when the same people who, whenever burkhas, or multiculturalism come up, preach on about 'British values' are the first to disregard two of the cornermost, human rights, and justice, at the first oppurtunity for bloodlust.

Jaysus wept Pru.

Your first post on the matter just about said anyone who doesn't agree with me (you) can feck off to Gotham City and anyone who disagreed with you was a "moronic, club bashing thug" - I think cavemen got thrown in for good measure.

So you want to start at an extreme, you can hardly by shocked that you get put at the opposite end of the same extreme.

Bloody drama.

[TANGODANCER]

Jaysus wept Pru.

Your first post on the matter just about said anyone who doesn't agree with me (you) can feck off to Gotham City and anyone who disagreed with you was a "moronic, club bashing thug" - I think cavemen got thrown in for good measure.

So you want to start at an extreme, you can hardly by shocked that you get put at the opposite end of the same extreme.

Bloody drama.

Is it "Age against the Machine"?

[jimbo]

Today I'm angry about Facebook causes. What. Is. The. Point? I was just invited to join a cause for 'Blue ribbons stop child abuse'. I'm joining a cause about a ribbon? Ribbons are pretty pointless on their own. Facebook causes about said near pointless ribbons? Waste of time.

Can I add 'becoming a fan' of pointless shit onto that?

Today my friends have become fans of snow, tea, money, I love money, the world cup, loud music and David Ngog. What does this even mean?

[Prufrock]

Today I'm angry about Facebook causes. What. Is. The. Point? I was just invited to join a cause for 'Blue ribbons stop child abuse'. I'm joining a cause about a ribbon? Ribbons are pretty pointless on their own. Facebook causes about said near pointless ribbons? Waste of time.

Can I add 'becoming a fan' of pointless shit onto that?

Today my friends have become fans of snow, tea, money, I love money, the world cup, loud music and David Ngog. What does this even mean?

Well quite.

[Zulus Thousand of em]

I'm with LK, WtW and thebish. You wanna live in a vigilante paradise, then f*ck off to Gotham City. Normally intelligent posters turning into moronic club bashing thugs talking about retribution and teaching folk a lesson properly depresses me. Yey let's go back to being cavemen.

+1

I understand where it comes from, but having the courts pay more attention to common sense does not equal a license to kill.

Bloody rich, coming from someone who lives in a society populated by good old boys who would blow you away if they caught you stealing their barbecue.

Talk about stereotyping, Zulus. THE USA is a big country and you won't find too many handgun toting good old boys in Maine where AT hails from. Actually you won't find much of anything in Maine. It's a bit like suggesting the Outer Hebrides are full of chavs because Manchester is (if it is - I wouldn't know).

Yes I know Monty. We are definitely missing a "tongue in cheek" emoticon on here.

[CrazyHorse]

I didn't suggest he didn't until you mentioned it; and only then to point out that it wasn't in the quote I gave. Disingenuous? I'm not the one trying to put words into someone's mouth.

But you are the one prepared to select the words that came out of my mouth. You ignore the fact that I said 'scrotes shamefully deny the human rights of others' and that 'I share the repulsion about this case'... So, I think you took the decision, for polemical reasons, to distort what I actually think. I don't mind the debate, it's just I think it should be conducted with integrity.

Strangely enough I only stuck my oar in because I too thought it should be conducted with integrity.
I selected the words because it was the only bit of your post I was interested in. I distorted nothing; I pointed out you were glossing over who started the violation of rights in the first place. I then asked if your rule of universal applicability should apply to the initial violation.

I'm disappointed to note you've chosen not to answer me but instead joined bish with his feeble attempt at patronisation. Well done; you win.

[americantrotter]

I didn't suggest he didn't until you mentioned it; and only then to point out that it wasn't in the quote I gave. Disingenuous? I'm not the one trying to put words into someone's mouth.

But you are the one prepared to select the words that came out of my mouth. You ignore the fact that I said 'scrotes shamefully deny the human rights of others' and that 'I share the repulsion about this case'... So, I think you took the decision, for polemical reasons, to distort what I actually think. I don't mind the debate, it's just I think it should be conducted with integrity.

Strangely enough I only stuck my oar in because I too thought it should be conducted with integrity.
I selected the words because it was the only bit of your post I was interested in. I distorted nothing; I pointed out you were glossing over who started the violation of rights in the first place. I then asked if your rule of universal applicability should apply to the initial violation.

I'm disappointed to note you've chosen not to answer me but instead joined bish with his feeble attempt at patronisation. Well done; you win.

FTW!

[CrazyHorse]

[boltonboris]

Today I'm angry about Facebook causes. What. Is. The. Point? I was just invited to join a cause for 'Blue ribbons stop child abuse'. I'm joining a cause about a ribbon? Ribbons are pretty pointless on their own. Facebook causes about said near pointless ribbons? Waste of time.

Somebody I know has just become a fan of 'shouting "WHHHHAAAAY" when somebody drops something' It's shamfeul that I know such people

[CAPSLOCK]

Carolans

What a waste of 7 quid

[thebish]

I didn't suggest he didn't until you mentioned it; and only then to point out that it wasn't in the quote I gave. Disingenuous? I'm not the one trying to put words into someone's mouth.

ffs Crazy!! you said that WtW had glossed over the fact that "'bad people' have abused the human rights of their victims"

when he had quite clearly NOT glossed that over at all in the post you quoted - it was just that you ignored that bit!

You can't (with integrity) quote a tiny fraction of someone's post and then accused them of glossing something that they clearly hadn't - merely on the strength of the fact that it wasn't in the bit that you chose to quote!!

[Bruce Rioja]

Carolans

What a waste of 7 quid

I just had to look Carolans up. Irish creamy liqueury guff, yes? The only use for that kind of stuff that I've found is to pour a bit onto vanilla ice cream.

Oh, and for me, today I'm not angry about anything, as today me and this seriously pressured year finished with each other, and it looks like I won - just!

[TANGODANCER]

Carolans

What a waste of 7 quid

I just had to look Carolans up. Irish creamy liqueury guff, yes? The only use for that kind of stuff that I've found is to pour a bit onto vanilla ice cream.

Oh, and for me, today I'm not angry about anything, as today me and this seriously pressured year finished with each other, and it looks like I won - just!

Wife reckons it's a cheap Baileys substitute with wine instead of Whisky. Not much cop.

[CAPSLOCK]

Carolans

What a waste of 7 quid

I just had to look Carolans up. Irish creamy liqueury guff, yes? The only use for that kind of stuff that I've found is to pour a bit onto vanilla ice cream.

Oh, and for me, today I'm not angry about anything, as today me and this seriously pressured year finished with each other, and it looks like I won - just!

Wife reckons it's a cheap Baileys substitute with wine instead of Whisky. Not much cop.

Tis

Though tell Mrs TD shes behind the times on her understanding of the make up of Baileys

I thing they just waft the bottle past the vat these days

Baileys is mainly wine, itself

[TANGODANCER]

Carolans

What a waste of 7 quid

I just had to look Carolans up. Irish creamy liqueury guff, yes? The only use for that kind of stuff that I've found is to pour a bit onto vanilla ice cream.

Oh, and for me, today I'm not angry about anything, as today me and this seriously pressured year finished with each other, and it looks like I won - just!

Wife reckons it's a cheap Baileys substitute with wine instead of Whisky. Not much cop.

Tis

Though tell Mrs TD shes behind the times on her understanding of the make up of Baileys

I thing they just waft the bottle past the vat these days

Baileys is mainly wine, itself

You mean the "Fresh Irish cream, finest spirits and Irish Whisky" on the label is just blarney? Begorrah, back it goes to Dublin then.