Brexit or Britin

[Beefheart]

Now here's a summat. My gaffer reckons that people shouldn't be allowed to vote upon reaching 70 as what they vote for probably won't effect them. Thoughts?

I proposed this a while ago and you all kicked off!

[Worthy4England]

Now here's a summat. My gaffer reckons that people shouldn't be allowed to vote upon reaching 70 as what they vote for probably won't effect them. Thoughts?

Silly idea. It's a democracy. If there was a short term market fall out - which there's almost certain to be (the debate isn't really about whether this will happen, more how long for and whether there would be a significant lasting impact) - then they'd be more impacted potentially without any time to recover.

[Worthy4England]

Now here's a summat. My gaffer reckons that people shouldn't be allowed to vote upon reaching 70 as what they vote for probably won't effect them. Thoughts?

I proposed this a while ago and you all kicked off!

^^ There's me kicking off!

[Little Green Man]

Now here's a summat. My gaffer reckons that people shouldn't be allowed to vote upon reaching 70 as what they vote for probably won't effect them. Thoughts?

Is your gaffer seriously suggesting that nothing of a political nature has affected my gran in the last 31 years? For example, I suspect she was very keen on voting in the Liverpool City Council elections in the mid-eighties.

[thebish]

Now here's a summat. My gaffer reckons that people shouldn't be allowed to vote upon reaching 70 as what they vote for probably won't effect them. Thoughts?

Is your gaffer seriously suggesting that nothing of a political nature has affected my gran in the last 31 years? For example, I suspect she was very keen on voting in the Liverpool City Council elections in the mid-eighties.

and she didn't even live there!

[Bruce Rioja]

Now here's a summat. My gaffer reckons that people shouldn't be allowed to vote upon reaching 70 as what they vote for probably won't effect them. Thoughts?

Not sure I agree. Both my parents are well into their 70s and the outcome could mean they have to return to the UK. I think they're as entitled to vote for their future, however long that lasts, as much as anyone.

I might be in favour of an IQ test though!

Indeed. My parents are 78 and 75. They're at the stage in life where the Daily Mail appears to form their opinion for them.

[Bruce Rioja]

Now here's a summat. My gaffer reckons that people shouldn't be allowed to vote upon reaching 70 as what they vote for probably won't effect them. Thoughts?

Silly idea. It's a democracy. If there was a short term market fall out - which there's almost certain to be (the debate isn't really about whether this will happen, more how long for and whether there would be a significant lasting impact) - then they'd be more impacted potentially without any time to recover.

Then how do you justify not being able to vote until the age of 18 then?

[Bruce Rioja]

Now here's a summat. My gaffer reckons that people shouldn't be allowed to vote upon reaching 70 as what they vote for probably won't effect them. Thoughts?

Is your gaffer seriously suggesting that nothing of a political nature has affected my gran in the last 31 years? For example, I suspect she was very keen on voting in the Liverpool City Council elections in the mid-eighties.

Did she vote for Derek Hatton?

[Worthy4England]

Now here's a summat. My gaffer reckons that people shouldn't be allowed to vote upon reaching 70 as what they vote for probably won't effect them. Thoughts?

Silly idea. It's a democracy. If there was a short term market fall out - which there's almost certain to be (the debate isn't really about whether this will happen, more how long for and whether there would be a significant lasting impact) - then they'd be more impacted potentially without any time to recover.

Then how do you justify not being able to vote until the age of 18 then?

Arbitrary age set for when you might understand some of the reasons to vote one way or another. I think there's an argument that if you're earning bucks or over 18 that you should get a vote. So I think a 16 year old in employment (not to supplement schooling) should have a right to vote. It's generally unlikely prior to 16 that you're in a position where taxation would affect you - not so when you're 70.

[Prufrock]

Not sure I buy that. Age should be 13 or so, then, as you'd be likely to be affected by taxation in that next parliamentary term.

[Bruce Rioja]

Now here's a summat. My gaffer reckons that people shouldn't be allowed to vote upon reaching 70 as what they vote for probably won't effect them. Thoughts?

Silly idea. It's a democracy. If there was a short term market fall out - which there's almost certain to be (the debate isn't really about whether this will happen, more how long for and whether there would be a significant lasting impact) - then they'd be more impacted potentially without any time to recover.

Then how do you justify not being able to vote until the age of 18 then?

Arbitrary age set for when you might understand some of the reasons to vote one way or another. I think there's an argument that if you're earning bucks or over 18 that you should get a vote. So I think a 16 year old in employment (not to supplement schooling) should have a right to vote. It's generally unlikely prior to 16 that you're in a position where taxation would affect you - not so when you're 70.

Your theory butters no parsnips. 70 year olds don't pay tax either, which you appear to be using as your criteria in the right to vote.

[Worthy4England]

Not sure I buy that. Age should be 13 or so, then, as you'd be likely to be affected by taxation in that next parliamentary term.

I wasn't really selling it. I was saying why I thought it was different. At 70, you are subject to taxation laws (doesn't mean you pay tax - but you're subject to the tax legislation in the same way as a 40 year old) - at 13 you're not. Whether it impacts in the future is a nonsensical argument for me (in the way it was originally put). It impacts a 70 year old now. And some of them will have paid tax for upwards of 45 years.

[Gary the Enfield]

Now here's a summat. My gaffer reckons that people shouldn't be allowed to vote upon reaching 70 as what they vote for probably won't effect them. Thoughts?

Silly idea. It's a democracy. If there was a short term market fall out - which there's almost certain to be (the debate isn't really about whether this will happen, more how long for and whether there would be a significant lasting impact) - then they'd be more impacted potentially without any time to recover.

Then how do you justify not being able to vote until the age of 18 then?

Arbitrary age set for when you might understand some of the reasons to vote one way or another. I think there's an argument that if you're earning bucks or over 18 that you should get a vote. So I think a 16 year old in employment (not to supplement schooling) should have a right to vote. It's generally unlikely prior to 16 that you're in a position where taxation would affect you - not so when you're 70.

Your theory butters no parsnips. 70 year olds don't pay tax either, which you appear to be using as your criteria in the right to vote.

Yes they do.

They pay tax on their personal pension over and above their allowance.

They pay VAT and Council Tax

[Worthy4England]

Now here's a summat. My gaffer reckons that people shouldn't be allowed to vote upon reaching 70 as what they vote for probably won't effect them. Thoughts?

Silly idea. It's a democracy. If there was a short term market fall out - which there's almost certain to be (the debate isn't really about whether this will happen, more how long for and whether there would be a significant lasting impact) - then they'd be more impacted potentially without any time to recover.

Then how do you justify not being able to vote until the age of 18 then?

Arbitrary age set for when you might understand some of the reasons to vote one way or another. I think there's an argument that if you're earning bucks or over 18 that you should get a vote. So I think a 16 year old in employment (not to supplement schooling) should have a right to vote. It's generally unlikely prior to 16 that you're in a position where taxation would affect you - not so when you're 70.

Your theory butters no parsnips. 70 year olds don't pay tax either, which you appear to be using as your criteria in the right to vote.

They're subject to the same tax laws. So will pay tax on what they earn (savings, shares etc.) should they go over the same thresholds for earnings as any other taxpayer. So you can keep your parsnips, thanks.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Now here's a summat. My gaffer reckons that people shouldn't be allowed to vote upon reaching 70 as what they vote for probably won't effect them. Thoughts?

Not sure I agree. Both my parents are well into their 70s and the outcome could mean they have to return to the UK. I think they're as entitled to vote for their future, however long that lasts, as much as anyone.

I might be in favour of an IQ test though!

Indeed. My parents are 78 and 75. They're at the stage in life where the Daily Mail appears to form their opinion for them.

Similar age - 79 and 75 Thankfully not Daily Mail readers, but they get equally dire nonsense from other Internet sources. Even my Gran is concerned at the migrants, though I haven't figured out who has put that in her head as she can't see too well for reading!

[Bruce Rioja]

Now here's a summat. My gaffer reckons that people shouldn't be allowed to vote upon reaching 70 as what they vote for probably won't effect them. Thoughts?

Not sure I agree. Both my parents are well into their 70s and the outcome could mean they have to return to the UK. I think they're as entitled to vote for their future, however long that lasts, as much as anyone.

I might be in favour of an IQ test though!

Indeed. My parents are 78 and 75. They're at the stage in life where the Daily Mail appears to form their opinion for them.

Similar age - 79 and 75 Thankfully not Daily Mail readers, but they get equally dire nonsense from other Internet sources. Even my Gran is concerned at the migrants, though I haven't figured out who has put that in her head as she can't see too well for reading!

I have a colleague that insists she's voting out - to "secure our borders". She a second generation Pole whose parents fled the Nazi occupation and pitched up here not knowing a word of English.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

I have a colleague that insists she's voting out - to "secure our borders". She a second generation Pole whose parents fled the Nazi occupation and pitched up here not knowing a word of English.

Ahhh, the old pulling up the drawbridge behind you because I'm all right Jack attitude.

[Little Green Man]

Now here's a summat. My gaffer reckons that people shouldn't be allowed to vote upon reaching 70 as what they vote for probably won't effect them. Thoughts?

Is your gaffer seriously suggesting that nothing of a political nature has affected my gran in the last 31 years? For example, I suspect she was very keen on voting in the Liverpool City Council elections in the mid-eighties.

Did she vote for Derek Hatton?

I strongly doubt it. At 70 she'd surely have been worried her moribund flesh would have been left to fester in the streets.

[bobo the clown]

Now here's a summat. My gaffer reckons that people shouldn't be allowed to vote upon reaching 70 as what they vote for probably won't effect them. Thoughts?

I proposed this a while ago and you all kicked off!

Quite fckg rightly. You can't pick & chose your discriminatory positions. Imagine someone saying handicapped people shouldn't be allowed to vote, or black people or Jews ? There'd be mayhem.

Basic intellegence qualify though. That may be helpful.

[Bruce Rioja]

Now here's a summat. My gaffer reckons that people shouldn't be allowed to vote upon reaching 70 as what they vote for probably won't effect them. Thoughts?

I proposed this a while ago and you all kicked off!

Quite fckg rightly. You can't pick & chose your discriminatory positions. Imagine someone saying handicapped people shouldn't be allowed to vote, or black people or Jews ? There'd be mayhem.

Basic intellegence qualify though. That may be helpful.

Well, you say that, but my 75 year old mum has just received a letter informing her that she's up for Jury service, then further down the letter she was informed that it only applies to people between the ages of 18 and 70. So, my mum gets to vote on stuff but is deemed too old to decide whether or not a fellow is guilty of summat. How does that work then?