The Politics Thread

[Gary the Enfield]

^ where is this bed, exactly??

Why, Islama-bed of course!

[thebish]

^ where is this bed, exactly??

Why, Islama-bed of course!

bravo!

[William the White]

Muslim states account for more than 2 billion of the current world population and are outbreeding Western populations by a factor of at least 2.

Just out of interest, and supposing your stat is accurate (what is your source, btw?) - well, what do you think you can do about that? Compulsory sterilisation? Selective culling? Outbreed em?

[bedwetter2]

Muslim states account for more than 2 billion of the current world population and are outbreeding Western populations by a factor of at least 2.

Just out of interest, and supposing your stat is accurate (what is your source, btw?) - well, what do you think you can do about that? Compulsory sterilisation? Selective culling? Outbreed em?

Source - a quick tot up of the main countries declared populations, e.g. Malaysia, 50% Indonesia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, 15% India, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, the previous Soviet 'Stans', Azerbaijan, Eygpt, other north African Sahel countries, sub-Saharan African countries. Add in a further 50 million from Europe and 30 million for the smaller Middle East countries hey presto.

My solution involves quarantining the lot of 'em. A total blanket ban on immigration and no transfer of technology/export of anything other than basic raw materials only where the civilised nations have a surplus.

What about oil you say? Work much more quickly on alternative sources of supply which are known to exist but have not yet been exploited. Increase investment also in fusion research and hydrogen power for vehicles. Wartime does generally lead to faster innovation and development.

[Lord Kangana]

Operation Trojan Horse school governors

Just out of interest, and lord I should have my head tested for even entering into this debate, but how many children have Muslim school governors in Birmingham killed with their missiles in say (and lets pull a completely arbitrary figure from thin air*) the last six weeks?



*I'm happy to extend the timeframe if I've arbitrarily excluded any recent or indeed historic massacring of Birmingham school kids by Muslamic fundamentalist school teachers and their navy/army.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Their religion is also their politics. There are really no moderates.

Utter nonsense.

Just because you lived or live amongst them, oh son of the desert, doesn't mean that you know them on a deeper level. There are no working democracies which I am aware of in muslim dominated countries. The pluralism which we live with doesn't exist in such societies. I too have lived in both Eygpt and Algeria and I can assure that beneath a sometimes urbane exterior the same objectives lurk.

Sure, the leaders of oil producing states are likely to come across as moderate because they need the West and its' technology in order to maintain their positions, but it is a precarious position that they adopt often being disliked or even hated by their own people. Watch what happens when the oil runs out - it could be very bloody.

We'll have to disagree I'm not going to get into on here as it's all to easy to fall foul of the rules here on such subjects. Suffice to say that their motivations are no different to the west, they just put a different spin on it.

[Lord Kangana]

Surely when the oil runs out, we'll just leave them too it. Theres precious few resources in the desert, and certainly no economic value to sand. Unless of course, sand becomes the new gold?

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

It's the wrong sand, so they have to buy it in for most purposes.

[William the White]

My solution involves quarantining the lot of 'em. A total blanket ban on immigration and no transfer of technology/export of anything other than basic raw materials only where the civilised nations have a surplus.

Paranoia on an industrial scale. Wow!

[bedwetter2]

My solution involves quarantining the lot of 'em. A total blanket ban on immigration and no transfer of technology/export of anything other than basic raw materials only where the civilised nations have a surplus.

Paranoia on an industrial scale. Wow!

Wow to you too! Complacency on a massive scale.
Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not all out to get me

[William the White]

Last weekend. Hundreds of thousands all over the world in Solidarity with Gaza.

Pictures from International Solidarity Movement newsletter.

If you don't wish to see photographs of crowds of many thousands in Africa, Asia, Europe expressing their support for Gaza, please ignore.

Lifted my heart though.

http://palsolidarity.org/2014/08/photos ... the-world/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[thebish]

My solution involves quarantining the lot of 'em. A total blanket ban on immigration and no transfer of technology/export of anything other than basic raw materials only where the civilised nations have a surplus.

Paranoia on an industrial scale. Wow!

Wow to you too! Complacency on a massive scale.
Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not all out to get me

I think you forgot the "with knobs on"

[bedwetter2]

Their religion is also their politics. There are really no moderates.

Utter nonsense.

Just because you lived or live amongst them, oh son of the desert, doesn't mean that you know them on a deeper level. There are no working democracies which I am aware of in muslim dominated countries. The pluralism which we live with doesn't exist in such societies. I too have lived in both Eygpt and Algeria and I can assure that beneath a sometimes urbane exterior the same objectives lurk.

Sure, the leaders of oil producing states are likely to come across as moderate because they need the West and its' technology in order to maintain their positions, but it is a precarious position that they adopt often being disliked or even hated by their own people. Watch what happens when the oil runs out - it could be very bloody.

We'll have to disagree I'm not going to get into on here as it's all to easy to fall foul of the rules here on such subjects. Suffice to say that their motivations are no different to the west, they just put a different spin on it.

Fair enough. I appreciate your position - are you a contortionist?

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Their religion is also their politics. There are really no moderates.

Utter nonsense.

Just because you lived or live amongst them, oh son of the desert, doesn't mean that you know them on a deeper level. There are no working democracies which I am aware of in muslim dominated countries. The pluralism which we live with doesn't exist in such societies. I too have lived in both Eygpt and Algeria and I can assure that beneath a sometimes urbane exterior the same objectives lurk.

Sure, the leaders of oil producing states are likely to come across as moderate because they need the West and its' technology in order to maintain their positions, but it is a precarious position that they adopt often being disliked or even hated by their own people. Watch what happens when the oil runs out - it could be very bloody.

We'll have to disagree I'm not going to get into on here as it's all to easy to fall foul of the rules here on such subjects. Suffice to say that their motivations are no different to the west, they just put a different spin on it.

Fair enough. I appreciate your position - are you a contortionist?

I get cramp if I stretch the wrong way

[LeverEnd]

My solution involves quarantining the lot of 'em. A total blanket ban on immigration and no transfer of technology/export of anything other than basic raw materials only where the civilised nations have a surplus.

What about oil you say? Work much more quickly on alternative sources of supply which are known to exist but have not yet been exploited. Increase investment also in fusion research and hydrogen power for vehicles. Wartime does generally lead to faster innovation and development.

Is this a satirical dig at the Israeli blockade on Gaza and you're having us on?

[William the White]

My solution involves quarantining the lot of 'em. A total blanket ban on immigration and no transfer of technology/export of anything other than basic raw materials only where the civilised nations have a surplus.

What about oil you say? Work much more quickly on alternative sources of supply which are known to exist but have not yet been exploited. Increase investment also in fusion research and hydrogen power for vehicles. Wartime does generally lead to faster innovation and development.

Is this a satirical dig at the Israeli blockade on Gaza and you're having us on?

you know, i hadn't thought of that!

bedwetter2 winding us up. Of course, i see it now.

[Montreal Wanderer]

Last weekend. Hundreds of thousands all over the world in Solidarity with Gaza.

Pictures from International Solidarity Movement newsletter.

If you don't wish to see photographs of crowds of many thousands in Africa, Asia, Europe expressing their support for Gaza, please ignore.

Lifted my heart though.

http://palsolidarity.org/2014/08/photos ... the-world/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm not quite sure "support for Gaza" means, William. Many of us deplore Israel's recent military action and even more have tremendous sympathy for the Palestinian civilians. I support any efforts to alleviate the situation from aid to the civilians to diplomatic pressure on Israel to keep negotiating. But it will be a frosty day in hell before I support Hamas.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Last weekend. Hundreds of thousands all over the world in Solidarity with Gaza.

Pictures from International Solidarity Movement newsletter.

If you don't wish to see photographs of crowds of many thousands in Africa, Asia, Europe expressing their support for Gaza, please ignore.

Lifted my heart though.

http://palsolidarity.org/2014/08/photos ... the-world/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm not quite sure "support for Gaza" means, William. Many of us deplore Israel's recent military action and even more have tremendous sympathy for the Palestinian civilians. I support any efforts to alleviate the situation from aid to the civilians to diplomatic pressure on Israel to keep negotiating. But it will be a frosty day in hell before I support Hamas.

Sorry to use somebody else's words in place of my own for the second time today, but thought this article was very good on all this: http://hopisen.com/?p=6382" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[thebish]

Last weekend. Hundreds of thousands all over the world in Solidarity with Gaza.

Pictures from International Solidarity Movement newsletter.

If you don't wish to see photographs of crowds of many thousands in Africa, Asia, Europe expressing their support for Gaza, please ignore.

Lifted my heart though.

http://palsolidarity.org/2014/08/photos ... the-world/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm not quite sure "support for Gaza" means, William. Many of us deplore Israel's recent military action and even more have tremendous sympathy for the Palestinian civilians. I support any efforts to alleviate the situation from aid to the civilians to diplomatic pressure on Israel to keep negotiating. But it will be a frosty day in hell before I support Hamas.

presumably that's why it said "support for Gaza" and not "support for Hamas" Gaza=a place / Hamas=a political movement.

[bedwetter2]

My solution involves quarantining the lot of 'em. A total blanket ban on immigration and no transfer of technology/export of anything other than basic raw materials only where the civilised nations have a surplus.

What about oil you say? Work much more quickly on alternative sources of supply which are known to exist but have not yet been exploited. Increase investment also in fusion research and hydrogen power for vehicles. Wartime does generally lead to faster innovation and development.

Is this a satirical dig at the Israeli blockade on Gaza and you're having us on?

you know, i hadn't thought of that!

bedwetter2 winding us up. Of course, i see it now.

He he! Satire? Don't know what you mean, guv.
Although I certainly wouldn't let'em have cement so they could tunnel their way out, the little rascals.