The Politics Thread

[thebish]

you're suggesting that the british legal system only puts white people on trial? really???

[Hoboh]

you're suggesting that the british legal system only puts white people on trial? really???

No not at all, I am suggesting that in some cases in particular as you mention that unless they have absolute concrete evidence or public pressure, there is a tendency not to go hell for leather after certain races for fear of upsetting the race relations/status Quo, Rotherham?

[thebish]

you're suggesting that the british legal system only puts white people on trial? really???

No not at all, I am suggesting that in some cases in particular as you mention that unless they have absolute concrete evidence or public pressure, there is a tendency not to go hell for leather after certain races for fear of upsetting the race relations/status Quo, Rotherham?

Rotherham?? you mean you can't think of any historic abuse cases where white people weren't pursued?? really???

and - to even BEGIN to suggest that Qatada was only pursued with a light touch is the most utterly ludicrous theory I have heard in a very long time! he was RELENTLESSLY pursued - and deported!!

[Hoboh]

you're suggesting that the british legal system only puts white people on trial? really???

No not at all, I am suggesting that in some cases in particular as you mention that unless they have absolute concrete evidence or public pressure, there is a tendency not to go hell for leather after certain races for fear of upsetting the race relations/status Quo, Rotherham?

Rotherham?? you mean you can't think of any historic abuse cases where white people weren't pursued?? really???

Historic??? bloody hell man it was going on till 2010!!

[thebish]

so - to be clear - the UK justice system didn't really bother trying to pursue Qatada becaue of his race?

is that your theory?

how the feck did he end up top priority on the home secretary's desk, under house arrest, the subject of international legal submissions and eventually deported??

[Hoboh]

so - to be clear - the UK justice system didn't really bother trying to pursue Qatada becaue of his race?

is that your theory?

how the feck did he end up top priority on the home secretary's desk, under house arrest, the subject of international legal submissions and eventually deported??

Yes I do believe he was not prosecuted to avoid his 'martyrdom' in certain circles, best to treat him as the devil.

Because according to our intelligence and security people he was a dangerous threat, but then I suppose you know better?

[thebish]

so - to be clear - the UK justice system didn't really bother trying to pursue Qatada becaue of his race?

is that your theory?

how the feck did he end up top priority on the home secretary's desk, under house arrest, the subject of international legal submissions and eventually deported??

Yes I do believe he was not prosecuted to avoid his 'martyrdom' in certain circles, best to treat him as the devil.

Because according to our intelligence and security people he was a dangerous threat, but then I suppose you know better?

what we all "know" is that despite the full weight of the law and the full attentions of the UK government and deportation for what you acknowledge to have been a fair trial in Jordan - he hasn't been found guilty of anything at all.

the thing YOU accuse him of (yet he was acquitted of) is precisely the thing you do - advocate the murder/assassination of an innocent people.

[Hoboh]

so - to be clear - the UK justice system didn't really bother trying to pursue Qatada becaue of his race?

is that your theory?

how the feck did he end up top priority on the home secretary's desk, under house arrest, the subject of international legal submissions and eventually deported??

Yes I do believe he was not prosecuted to avoid his 'martyrdom' in certain circles, best to treat him as the devil.

Because according to our intelligence and security people he was a dangerous threat, but then I suppose you know better?

what we all "know" is that despite the full weight of the law and the full attentions of the UK government and deportation for what you acknowledge to have been a fair trial in Jordan - he hasn't been found guilty of anything at all.

the thing YOU accuse him of (yet he was acquitted of) is precisely the thing you do - advocate the murder/assassination of an innocent people.

I can take comfort in not being an apologist for half the scum in the world like others, but hey you know better than our spooks.
If he is so innocent how come we are never going to let him back in then?
Start trolling facebook if you want proper advocates of murder/assassination, I ain't never going down the liberal love all, they're just misunderstood, be nice and they will. The only cheek I'd turn is to dump on these wasters from a great height.

[Lord Kangana]

I'm reading a book entitled Line in The Sand - Britain, France and the struggle that shaped The Middle East.

Really, truly, large parts of it are our fault.

And all because we tried to stitch the French up, then realised we were allies (during the 1WW), so we appointed a guy who'd been to the area on holiday a couple of times as our "expert". TE Lawrence thought he was a prick. And then thought inventing a Jewish State would be a great way of appeasing the Jews in America, who were anti-Russian (our ally, remember, are you keeping up?) so they'd come in on our side. And then, only latterly, realised that this might stir up trouble. "Might".

So f*cked up.

[Montreal Wanderer]

I'm reading a book entitled Line in The Sand - Britain, France and the struggle that shaped The Middle East.

Really, truly, large parts of it are our fault.

And all because we tried to stitch the French up, then realised we were allies (during the 1WW), so we appointed a guy who'd been to the area on holiday a couple of times as our "expert". TE Lawrence thought he was a prick. And then thought inventing a Jewish State would be a great way of appeasing the Jews in America, who were anti-Russian (our ally, remember, are you keeping up?) so they'd come in on our side. And then, only latterly, realised that this might stir up trouble. "Might".

So f*cked up.

Have you got to Gertrude Bell yet, your Lordship?

[Hoboh]

Normally Harriet Harman can be relied on to cheer things up with a final hurrah before the Red Flag sing-song, but even her jokes fell flat.

I know politics is a strange world - but relying on Harriet Harman to cheer you up suggests some kind of mental illness.

Source, the Guardian comments

[Lord Kangana]

I'm reading a book entitled Line in The Sand - Britain, France and the struggle that shaped The Middle East.

Really, truly, large parts of it are our fault.

And all because we tried to stitch the French up, then realised we were allies (during the 1WW), so we appointed a guy who'd been to the area on holiday a couple of times as our "expert". TE Lawrence thought he was a prick. And then thought inventing a Jewish State would be a great way of appeasing the Jews in America, who were anti-Russian (our ally, remember, are you keeping up?) so they'd come in on our side. And then, only latterly, realised that this might stir up trouble. "Might".

So f*cked up.

Have you got to Gertrude Bell yet, your Lordship?

Yes....but not in this book! Interesting sub-plot, she was the only woman who was allowed (officially) onto the Gallipoli peninsula, during the fighting, to put flowers on the grave of Charles Doughty-Wylie VC. Strange days indeed.

[thebish]

I can take comfort in not being an apologist for half the scum in the world like others, but hey you know better than our spooks.
If he is so innocent how come we are never going to let him back in then?

think, man! sheer embarassment! we spent millions getting him deported to Jordan to be put on trial and flooded the airwaves with declarations of his evil badness...

letting him come back now the courts have cleared him would be massively embarassing!

your child-like faith in govt/secret services is touching (perhaps slightly naive) - but touching all the same!

[Beefheart]

What's scary is that we have a Home Secretary who wanted to get rid of a convention on human rights just because she reckoned it shouldn't apply to one person.

[Hoboh]

I can take comfort in not being an apologist for half the scum in the world like others, but hey you know better than our spooks.
If he is so innocent how come we are never going to let him back in then?

think, man! sheer embarassment! we spent millions getting him deported to Jordan to be put on trial and flooded the airwaves with declarations of his evil badness...

letting him come back now the courts have cleared him would be massively embarassing!

your child-like faith in govt/secret services is touching (perhaps slightly naive) - but touching all the same!

At least those I have faith in are real!
Liberal minded, love all people are responsible for most of the crap that goes around these days, embarrassment my ass, the blokes a top loony whom we are better off not having.
I do wish condescending types would feck off with their human rights for every bit of pond life life going, most of us just want to live a normal life mainly free from crime and Islamic or any religious nut jobs.

[Beefheart]

You can't really apply human rights to just people you reckon should have them, because one day someone might reckon that you shouldn't have any.

[thebish]

Qatada's crime is now "being a top loony"?? (a step down from the original murder conspiracy!)

are you sure YOU are safe!!

(and - free from crime? - would it NOT be a crime to assassinate an innocent man with a drone strike?)

[Hoboh]

Qatada's crime is now "being a top loony"?? (a step down from the original murder conspiracy!)

are you sure YOU are safe!!

(and - free from crime? - would it NOT be a crime to assassinate an innocent man with a drone strike?)

Look you don't mind the bloke offer him and his family refuge, just keep him away from Mosques or young impressionable screw loose Muslim kids.
Never seen the US or the RAF on trial anywhere for it, so it's fair to say it is only a crime in the eyes of a few 'just' men.

[Lord Kangana]

How, pray, would you think the mechanisms to have the RAF put on trial in a separate, foreign, country would work?

[Hoboh]

How, pray, would you think the mechanisms to have the RAF put on trial in a separate, foreign, country would work?

Well we operate armed drones, so in bish's eyes it surely must be a crime to kill these poor oppressed freedom fighters (who by the way feel free to murder just who the hell they like for their cause), therefore they should be put on trial for murder.
Using your analogy just who the hell are we to detain or put on trial the half wits who have traveled to Syria/Iraq to allegedly take part in atrocities?