The Politics Thread

[Prufrock]

[Hoboh]

On the subject of the EU it seems there is a case for determining when international treaties can be broken, so long ECRH

Large numbers of journalists were on the scene quickly and were corralled into a holding area to the west of the front of the embassy, while dozens of Iranian protesters also arrived near the embassy and remained there throughout the siege. Shortly after the beginning of the crisis, the British government's emergency committee COBRA, was assembled. COBRA is made up of ministers, civil servants and expert advisers—including representatives from the police and the armed forces. The meeting was chaired by William Whitelaw, the Home Secretary, as Margaret Thatcher, the Prime Minister, was unavailable. The Iranian government accused the British and American governments of sponsoring the attack as revenge for the ongoing siege of the US Embassy in Tehran. Given the lack of co-operation from Iran, Thatcher—who was kept apprised of the situation by Whitelaw—determined that British law would be applied to the embassy, despite the Vienna Convention, under which the embassy is considered Iranian soil.

[Prufrock]

Is that Yvonne Fletcher Hobes? Coz that went well.

[Beefheart]

What about the ECHR don't you like Hoboh?

[William the White]

What about the ECHR don't you like Hoboh?

It protects human rights.

Hoboh thinks human tights are ok - but only for people he approves of. Not foreigners. With beards.

[thebish]

human tights???

[Worthy4England]

What about the ECHR don't you like Hoboh?

Oh God. How long do you have?

[Hoboh]

What about the ECHR don't you like Hoboh?

I firmly believe that ultimate power in law should rest with the UK judiciary and elected Parliament, not some foreign Judge who may have feck all idea of life in the UK. It is bad enough some people hold the view some of our own judges are out of touch never mind foreigners!

[Beefheart]

What about the ECHR don't you like Hoboh?

I firmly believe that ultimate power in law should rest with the UK judiciary and elected Parliament, not some foreign Judge who may have feck all idea of life in the UK. It is bad enough some people hold the view some of our own judges are out of touch never mind foreigners!

Ok, but you haven't said which bit you disagree with.

[bobo the clown]

OK, let's get this thread on track .... you would, wouldn't you ?

[Worthy4England]

Never in a million years.

[Prufrock]

What about the ECHR don't you like Hoboh?

I firmly believe that ultimate power in law should rest with the UK judiciary and elected Parliament, not some foreign Judge who may have feck all idea of life in the UK. It is bad enough some people hold the view some of our own judges are out of touch never mind foreigners!

Oddly enough, it's almost like they wrote the HRA with exactly that aim in mind!

[Hoboh]

What about the ECHR don't you like Hoboh?

I firmly believe that ultimate power in law should rest with the UK judiciary and elected Parliament, not some foreign Judge who may have feck all idea of life in the UK. It is bad enough some people hold the view some of our own judges are out of touch never mind foreigners!

Oddly enough, it's almost like they wrote the HRA with exactly that aim in mind!

If that was their aim then they missed the target by a country mile! Should take shooting lessons.

[Hoboh]

Bloody Hell!!!

There has been a recent epidemic of blasphemy charges in Pakistan. Forty-eight people have been killed before they could get to a trial. Many more are being prosecuted. It is difficult for a brave lawyer to defend a client, because if you repeat what the person is accused of saying, that is blasphemous too.
If you think I am joking, not long ago a prominent human rights lawyer representing an English professor accused of making a blasphemous Facebook post was shot dead – after the prosecution lawyers had threatened to kill him in front of a judge. A politician who discussed reforming the law on TV is now being prosecuted for what he said, and two others were assassinated (one by his own security guard, who is now lauded as a hero).

[Worthy4England]

Bloody Hell!!!

There has been a recent epidemic of blasphemy charges in Pakistan. Forty-eight people have been killed before they could get to a trial. Many more are being prosecuted. It is difficult for a brave lawyer to defend a client, because if you repeat what the person is accused of saying, that is blasphemous too.
If you think I am joking, not long ago a prominent human rights lawyer representing an English professor accused of making a blasphemous Facebook post was shot dead – after the prosecution lawyers had threatened to kill him in front of a judge. A politician who discussed reforming the law on TV is now being prosecuted for what he said, and two others were assassinated (one by his own security guard, who is now lauded as a hero).

That's why we have conventions on human rights, such as freedom of Expression...

[Hoboh]

Bloody Hell!!!

There has been a recent epidemic of blasphemy charges in Pakistan. Forty-eight people have been killed before they could get to a trial. Many more are being prosecuted. It is difficult for a brave lawyer to defend a client, because if you repeat what the person is accused of saying, that is blasphemous too.
If you think I am joking, not long ago a prominent human rights lawyer representing an English professor accused of making a blasphemous Facebook post was shot dead – after the prosecution lawyers had threatened to kill him in front of a judge. A politician who discussed reforming the law on TV is now being prosecuted for what he said, and two others were assassinated (one by his own security guard, who is now lauded as a hero).

That's why we have conventions on human rights, such as freedom of Expression...

Yeah, that's right what about their right to a life never mind a right to a family life.

[Prufrock]

What about the ECHR don't you like Hoboh?

I firmly believe that ultimate power in law should rest with the UK judiciary and elected Parliament, not some foreign Judge who may have feck all idea of life in the UK. It is bad enough some people hold the view some of our own judges are out of touch never mind foreigners!

Oddly enough, it's almost like they wrote the HRA with exactly that aim in mind!

If that was their aim then they missed the target by a country mile! Should take shooting lessons.

Compare and contrast.

European Communities Act 1972:

s2(1) All such rights, powers, liabilities, obligations and restrictions from time to time created or arising under the Treaties, and all such remedies and procedures from time to time provided for by or under the Treaties, as in accordance with the Treaties are without further enactment to be given legal effect or used in the United Kingdom shall be recognised and available in law, and be enforced, allowed and followed accordingly; and the expression 'enforceable Community right' and similar expressions shall be read as referring to one to which this subsection applies.

Human Rights Act 1998:

s3(1) So far as it is possible to do so, primary legislation and subordinate legislation must be read and given effect in a way which is compatible with the Convention rights.

[Prufrock]

Bloody Hell!!!

There has been a recent epidemic of blasphemy charges in Pakistan. Forty-eight people have been killed before they could get to a trial. Many more are being prosecuted. It is difficult for a brave lawyer to defend a client, because if you repeat what the person is accused of saying, that is blasphemous too.
If you think I am joking, not long ago a prominent human rights lawyer representing an English professor accused of making a blasphemous Facebook post was shot dead – after the prosecution lawyers had threatened to kill him in front of a judge. A politician who discussed reforming the law on TV is now being prosecuted for what he said, and two others were assassinated (one by his own security guard, who is now lauded as a hero).

That's why we have conventions on human rights, such as freedom of Expression...

Yeah, that's right what about their right to a life never mind a right to a family life.

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[Worthy4England]

Bloody Hell!!!

There has been a recent epidemic of blasphemy charges in Pakistan. Forty-eight people have been killed before they could get to a trial. Many more are being prosecuted. It is difficult for a brave lawyer to defend a client, because if you repeat what the person is accused of saying, that is blasphemous too.
If you think I am joking, not long ago a prominent human rights lawyer representing an English professor accused of making a blasphemous Facebook post was shot dead – after the prosecution lawyers had threatened to kill him in front of a judge. A politician who discussed reforming the law on TV is now being prosecuted for what he said, and two others were assassinated (one by his own security guard, who is now lauded as a hero).

That's why we have conventions on human rights, such as freedom of Expression...

Yeah, that's right what about their right to a life never mind a right to a family life.

That's in the ECHR too - Article 2...

[Montreal Wanderer]

Bloody Hell!!!

There has been a recent epidemic of blasphemy charges in Pakistan. Forty-eight people have been killed before they could get to a trial. Many more are being prosecuted. It is difficult for a brave lawyer to defend a client, because if you repeat what the person is accused of saying, that is blasphemous too.
If you think I am joking, not long ago a prominent human rights lawyer representing an English professor accused of making a blasphemous Facebook post was shot dead – after the prosecution lawyers had threatened to kill him in front of a judge. A politician who discussed reforming the law on TV is now being prosecuted for what he said, and two others were assassinated (one by his own security guard, who is now lauded as a hero).

That's why we have conventions on human rights, such as freedom of Expression...

Yeah, that's right what about their right to a life never mind a right to a family life.

That's in the ECHR too - Article 2...

Part of the problem is that while Pakistan voted to adopt the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in 1948, as a country it has never signed the International Covenant of Civil and Political Rights. Therefore it is not bound by any of the terms. It has failed to sign a number of other UN Human Rights instruments, but then the same is true of the USA.