Today I'm angry about.....

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I wouldn't worry long-term LLS. At the rate pubs are still closing, you'll soon be staying home quaffing supermarket booze anyway. You're winning. Sorted.

Strangely enough in this part of the world we've had two micro-breweries newly opened and two pubs re-open (after being closed for up to a year) in the last couple of months, so it's not looking as bleak as it has been. (I know it's not the same everywhere).

[TANGODANCER]

Here's a list of pubs that are no longer in existence in Bolton (a fair old chunk of which I've sunk one or two in my time. I'm sure a few on here will think the same) I could add a few more if I thought about it. :

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[Montreal Wanderer]

Well, this has all been a bit of an eye-opener. I must avoid any pubs where the nearest large city is Sheffield. Not that I smoke anymore, but I have been known to warm up in front of a fire....

Pru, quit while you are young and can exercise off the added weight. You'll be much happier in the long run. I was hooked before the dangers were known - they just said it stunted your growth and I am over six feet.

[bobo the clown]

I wouldn't worry long-term LLS. At the rate pubs are still closing, you'll soon be staying home quaffing supermarket booze anyway. You're winning. Sorted.

Strangely enough in this part of the world we've had two micro-breweries newly opened and two pubs re-open (after being closed for up to a year) in the last couple of months, so it's not looking as bleak as it has been. (I know it's not the same everywhere).

Kh, I hear that's quite the vogue down South these days Spotty.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I wouldn't worry long-term LLS. At the rate pubs are still closing, you'll soon be staying home quaffing supermarket booze anyway. You're winning. Sorted.

Strangely enough in this part of the world we've had two micro-breweries newly opened and two pubs re-open (after being closed for up to a year) in the last couple of months, so it's not looking as bleak as it has been. (I know it's not the same everywhere).

Kh, I hear that's quite the vogue down South these days Spotty.

I'm an exile, but at least I'm in the right country.

[Worthy4England]

If someone drank a glass of grapefruit juice next to you, presumably you wouldn't go mental, but would politely explain the situation and ask them to shift it (if there seemed any actual danger)?

I think you'd have every right to go ape-shit if you'd asked yon mon to stop, explaining why, and he'd refused, but people can't be expected to live their lives mitigating against unforeseeable risks to others. Is everybody who eats peanuts in public inconsiderate?

The reason e-cigs aren't banned isn't a loophole (it may have been initially, but there's been plenty time to change it) but because there is no reason, logical, or empirical, to ban them. The make-up of what you exhale is fundamentally different to smoke. It's chemicals, but so is what you breathe out normally, or the gas inside a can of coke, or almost everything else! There are plenty of scientists out there, some of whom don't work for e-cig companies (!), who say that there is no reason to worry about passively smoking an e-cig. There is no evidence to suggest it does harm others, or that it should. There are concerns (in a 'we don't know', rather than 'we're worried' sense) for those using them, because there is no research on long-term prolonged inhalation of these chemicals, but there is no reason to think they are, or might be, harmful to others.

The nearest I can find suggesting that there is, is a worried woman on mumsnet!

As for progress, does everything we do have to be 'progressive'? Drinking beer is hardly 'progress' either, and I know you're not for banning that !

Anyway, chiill out dude! This is the angry thread, not the psychopathic, violent rage thread!

Yeh well sitting in the back of a police car while waiting for a 'telling off' doesn't help alleviate any of the anger. Not in my case anyway, it just, as you said, turns it into bitter psychopathic rage.
Anyway I asked the scrote to move, and he got lippy quoting his fxcking rights, so I told him to move. I've done that with others: people with children, smelly people, people standing in front of the fire like it's their own living room. The reason for asking him not to smoke the e-fag and the reason for inviting him to piss off were two different separate reasons, interconnected only by circumstance.
He moved, he left the pub. And then came back with scrote numero duo. Scrotes 1&2 then proceeded to deliberately smoke the fxckin e-faggettes on the table next to mine, at which point my rage ranneth over and I 'escorted' scrote 2 outside (leaving scrote 1 opening and closing his mouth like a fish out of water: he didn't expect that). Unfortunately I escorted scrotet outside straight into the arms of the police - who unbeknownst to me had been called by the bar staff as soon as scrote 2 had arrived. He is, apparently, well known about town and banned from most of the pubs. So I got a telling off from the rozzers, whilst scrote 2 got carted off - it transpired that in addition to the e-fags he was carrying more chemicals than Assad's army.
So I might have calmed down a bit this morning, but I'll still be enraged by any tw*t that smokes one of those fxcking things in my face next time.
As for your evidence that it doesn't harm others - there is none either for or against. Nobody on this planet has ever or ever will test every chemical in combination with every other chemical to see what the effects on the body are. I mentioned grapefruit to show you that even so called innocuous substances can have devastating consequences when ingested with other stuff. And the idea that I'm only ingesting chemically altered breath is patently nonsense - there is as much of the original crap hanging in a plume above and around e-smokers as there is in their lungs. Plus nobody knows what's actuaaly in the solvent that carries the nicotine: yes I know it is supposedly harmless, but as they become more prevalent and BATobacco etc want to maximise profits the manufacture of that shxt will be delegated out to cowboys who will put any crap in so long as it's cheap.
And of course it's exploiting a loophole - it started out as a loophole and it will be the new profit horizon for the giant American Tobacco companies - they are pouring millions into it. Politicians have been paid off. Loss leading shops are being opened. Schoolchildren and youths are being targeted. In fifty years time it will be the new tobacco scandal.
Oh good the future's rosy some tw*t has invented a new way of pumping nicotine into the body. Tw*ts tw*ts tw*ts tw*ts tw*ts tw*ts tw*ts tw*ts tw*ts

You need a fecking smoke mate. It'll calm you down a bit. Maybe put some skunk in it, in the pub, you'll be giggling as you calm down.

[Lord Kangana]

Anyway, haven't we all missed the point that e-cigs (sic) are for woofters and big-girl's-blouses anyway?

Either smoke or don't. Its like doing a bungee jump on your f*cking Wii.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Anyway, haven't we all missed the point that e-cigs (sic) are for woofters and big-girl's-blouses anyway?

Either smoke or don't. Its like doing a bungee jump on your f*cking Wii.

You can bungee jump on Wii !!!

[Lord Kangana]

Well you can smoke non-cigarette cigarettes, so I reckon its only a matter of time.

[Bijou Bob]

Last weekend, whilst listening to the wireless in the car, there was an ad asking for donations to a kids charity for children who are deaf and blind. In a weak moment, I texted a donation as suggested. So far this week I've had over a dozen phone calls from a chugging company they've sold my number on to. By all means send me a text occasionally yourselves asking me to donate again, but selling my details on to a set of mercenary bastards??!!!

That's the last time I ever get suckered into that!

[Bijou Bob]

Last weekend, whilst listening to the wireless in the car, there was an ad asking for donations to a kids charity for children who are deaf and blind. In a weak moment, I texted a donation as suggested. So far this week I've had over a dozen phone calls from a chugging company they've sold my number on to. By all means send me a text occasionally yourselves asking me to donate again, but selling my details on to a set of mercenary bastards??!!!

That's the last time I ever get suckered into that!

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Well you can smoke non-cigarette cigarettes, so I reckon its only a matter of time.

Well I can guarantee you this, when some numpty starts bungee jumping in my local I'll be there to eject them.

[mrkint]

Woke up this morning to a series of rather pleasant, harmonious trickling sounds, which only when I came to realised was a proverbial f*ck ton of water coming through the roof. On further inspection it came clear that there were leaks in the kitchen, food cupboards, hallway and bathroom at the same time. Went to the upstairs neighbours to tell them and they weren't in. We've had this problem before and it's their piping, so was a bit D:

Anyway, starting to run out of buckets and pans and one panicked phonecall later, chap from the council turns up. By this point the floor is an obstacle course full of buckets, pans etc. each of which has been swapped over once or twice. He comes in, takes one look at the roof and goes "oh yeah, looks like they've left the tap on"

All this shit, just because some dozy c*nt left the fecking tap on. WTF.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Woke up this morning to a series of rather pleasant, harmonious trickling sounds, which only when I came to realised was a proverbial f*ck ton of water coming through the roof. On further inspection it came clear that there were leaks in the bathroom, food cupboards, hallway and bathroom at the same time. Went to the upstairs neighbours to tell them and they weren't in. We've had this problem before and it's their piping, so was a bit D:

Anyway, starting to run out of buckets and pans and one panicked phonecall later, chap from the council turns up. By this point the floor is an obstacle course full of buckets, pans etc. each of which has been swapped over once or twice. He comes in, takes one look at the roof and goes "oh yeah, looks like they've left the tap on"

All this shit, just because some dozy c*nt left the fecking tap on. WTF.

I sympathise. I truly do.

[Lord Kangana]

Thats not a tap running, its the condensation from all the e-cigs they're smoking.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Thats not a tap running, its the condensation from all the e-cigs they're smoking.

The fxckers'll be bungee jumping on his ceiling next.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Not angry so much, more upset, as I keep reading more and more about the Bangladeshi clothing factory tragedy. Am cross and feel a bit helpless that this happened in the first place and that so many people work in such appalling dangerous conditions to make cheap clothing. I will confess that whilst I try and buy the majority of the kids clothes from an eco friendly, ethical company who I know look after their workers, much of my clothing is pretty cheap and bought from shops where I have no idea if they are employing child workers, paying over the minimum wage etc. Most of the time until something like this happens I don't give it much of a second thought and I don't expect most people do. I suspect nothing will change until people are prepared to pay a fair price for clothes and not expect everything so cheap. Fair trade food is easy to find these days, fairly traded clothing far more niche. Just feel a bit sad that even though 300 plus people have died so needlessly its probably not going to actually change much, if anything.

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[TANGODANCER]

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Might just be me being over sensitive, but I'm not sure that should have been published. Think of the heartache it would bring if it had been your own family.

[Bruce Rioja]

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Might just be me being over sensitive, but I'm not sure that should have been published. Think of the heartache it would bring if it had been your own family.

Saw it on PB's FB page. It actually welled me up. Heartbreaking.

However, here's something to cheer us back up.

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[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

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Might just be me being over sensitive, but I'm not sure that should have been published. Think of the heartache it would bring if it had been your own family.

I know what you mean, Tango, but it makes you stop and think about the issue more than even a very large number attached to a body count could.

And if I were a relative, heartbreaking though it would obviously be, I think I would take a lot of comfort from knowing that the person's last moment was spent in human embrace.