Today I'm angry about.....

[Annoyed Grunt]

Flip-flops. Need I say more! The filthy annoying sound of synthetic material slapping against sweaty soles. It's 13 degrees Celsius out there for fxcls sake. Have some dignity. I suppose I'm the only one who has imaginings of each footfall slap being a proper slap delivered to 'appropriate' areas.

I always wear flip-flops.......on holiday..

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Flip-flops. Need I say more! The filthy annoying sound of synthetic material slapping against sweaty soles. It's 13 degrees Celsius out there for fxcls sake. Have some dignity. I suppose I'm the only one who has imaginings of each footfall slap being a proper slap delivered to 'appropriate' areas.

This from a guy who walked about barefoot for three months?

It's not the bareness TD. It's the slap slap slap slap slap. When I was barefoot it was just pad pad pad pad pad pad pad pad pad ouch pad pad swear pad pad.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Flip-flops. Need I say more! The filthy annoying sound of synthetic material slapping against sweaty soles. It's 13 degrees Celsius out there for fxcls sake. Have some dignity. I suppose I'm the only one who has imaginings of each footfall slap being a proper slap delivered to 'appropriate' areas.

I always wear flip-flops.......on holiday..

I knew it. I fxclun knew it. As I was posting, I had a list of people who would respond by saying they wore flip-flops. You weren't top (that was Bruce) but you were close.

[Annoyed Grunt]

Flip-flops. Need I say more! The filthy annoying sound of synthetic material slapping against sweaty soles. It's 13 degrees Celsius out there for fxcls sake. Have some dignity. I suppose I'm the only one who has imaginings of each footfall slap being a proper slap delivered to 'appropriate' areas.

I always wear flip-flops.......on holiday..

I knew it. I fxclun knew it. As I was posting, I had a list of people who would respond by saying they wore flip-flops. You weren't top (that was Bruce) but you were close.

[thebish]

GG's your girl for the flip flops...

also - Bobo..

Don't have slippers .... though I drove to Heathrow once in flip-flops.

[TANGODANCER]

Flip flops probably weren't invented with Bolton in mind. They are infinitely preferable to having shoes full of sand or having the soles of your feet fried on a Spanish beach though.

[Montreal Wanderer]

Flip flops probably weren't invented with Bolton in mind. They are infinitely preferable to having shoes full of sand or having the soles of your feet fried on a Spanish beach though.

Indeed I wear them on hot beaches and they make no detectable sound.

[thebish]

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[Montreal Wanderer]

So you're saying there's no A? And that I'm wrong? Cos I find that very difficult to believe.

After further research I find the first use was indeed by Wambaugh in his 1975 book. In that same year Clement and La Frenais incorporated the word into a script for "Porridge". Alas they spelt it wrong causing confusion to generations of nuclear power engineers. See OED quotes:

1975 D. Clement & I. La Frenais Porridge 2nd Ser. i. 140/1 D'you know I was only out the cell for half an hour, but in that time some scroat whipped the rest.

1975 J. Wambaugh Choirboys v. 33 If you ever backed down for even a moment in dealing with assholes and scrotes the entire structure of American law enforcement would crash to the ground.

1984 Social Probl. 32 148 Police commonly use negative stereotypes (e.g., ‘animals’, ‘scrotes’, ‘assholes’) in dealing with persons displaying specific attitudes, behaviors, or characteristics.

2003 R. Herring Talking Cock 206 She managed to nick my scrote in a few places, which stung a bit, so I asked her to rub in some post shave balm.

2005 FHM Jan. 231/2 Easy-drinking French fizz lacking the ‘complexity’ of champagne, but it'll happily slide down the throats of ignorant Brit scrotes like us.

All subsequent uses have the correct spelling.

[Gooner Girl]

I wear flip flops at work and in the summer. Think they look a bit sad on men though - but given crocs and socks with sandals look far worse I suppose it's acceptable for you blokes to wear them on holiday.

[Bruce Rioja]

Steve Bruce is about to award the Premier League trophy in a jacket and trousers that aren't from the same suit. Scruffy c*nts make me seethe. Especially if they look like a potato too.

[Il Pirate]

The origin of the insult lies with Joseph Wambaugh in his book The Choirboys. One of the main characters in the book is casting around for a new and powerful insult and first tries 'scrotum' but doesn't think it quite right. He settles on 'scrote'. I don't know if it was ever used by US cops but it was and still is widely used by UK Police.

If you've not read the book I urge you to do so. I read it again a couple of years ago and still loved it. It's about a team of LA cops working nights who regularly attend 'Choir Practise' in the park after work to wind down after difficult a shift. Set in the '60's.

Superb book and also a very good film iirc, Mr Clapton. I read another Wambough book around this time as well, but bvggered if I can remember the title. A very good cop thriller, and I remember the main character having hamsters called 'Misha & Grisha'? Ring any bells? Something to do with a dog parlour springs to mind..............

[Lost Leopard Spot]

The Federation of Student Islamic Societies..

universities should not interfere with gender segregated meetings unless women complained

Get to fxck.

[William the White]

The Federation of Student Islamic Societies..

universities should not interfere with gender segregated meetings unless women complained

Get to fxck.

I don't know if this still happens - i suspect not - but a while ago Bolton Uni offered a couple of courses for 'women only' admission... This was after consultation with the Islamic Girls School in Bolton, a 'pilot' project, i suspect, and with the advocacy of a feminist lecturer (English and i suspect faithless) and a strong advocate of female education for Moslem girls (a Moslem woman, also English, from a Pakistani family background).

The argument was: these girls are not going to be allowed into a university unless they are separated from men in the classroom. So - should they be forced to break with their families in order to get an education, should single gender education be offered or should they just get married and give up all hopes of higher education?

I don't think the answer is as easy as 'get to fxck'... (I know this isn't exactly the same issue. But adjacent, certainly.)

[bobo the clown]

The Federation of Student Islamic Societies..

universities should not interfere with gender segregated meetings unless women complained

Get to fxck.

I don't know if this still happens - i suspect not - but a while ago Bolton Uni offered a couple of courses for 'women only' admission... This was after consultation with the Islamic Girls School in Bolton, a 'pilot' project, i suspect, and with the advocacy of a feminist lecturer (English and i suspect faithless) and a strong advocate of female education for Moslem girls (a Moslem woman, also English, from a Pakistani family background).

The argument was: these girls are not going to be allowed into a university unless they are separated from men in the classroom. So - should they be forced to break with their families in order to get an education, should single gender education be offered or should they just get married and give up all hopes of higher education?

I don't think the answer is as easy as 'get to fxck'... (I know this isn't exactly the same issue. But adjacent, certainly.)

Actually it really is, exactly, that easy William.

It only gets complicated when these attitudes are pandered to.

[William the White]

The Federation of Student Islamic Societies..

universities should not interfere with gender segregated meetings unless women complained

Get to fxck.

I don't know if this still happens - i suspect not - but a while ago Bolton Uni offered a couple of courses for 'women only' admission... This was after consultation with the Islamic Girls School in Bolton, a 'pilot' project, i suspect, and with the advocacy of a feminist lecturer (English and i suspect faithless) and a strong advocate of female education for Moslem girls (a Moslem woman, also English, from a Pakistani family background).

The argument was: these girls are not going to be allowed into a university unless they are separated from men in the classroom. So - should they be forced to break with their families in order to get an education, should single gender education be offered or should they just get married and give up all hopes of higher education?

I don't think the answer is as easy as 'get to fxck'... (I know this isn't exactly the same issue. But adjacent, certainly.)

Actually it really is, exactly, that easy William.

It only gets complicated when these attitudes are pandered to.

So, as a non-panderer, of the three options, which should the girl wanting a higher education take? Or you have another?

[bobo the clown]

The whole sorry, failed multi-cultural experiment of constantly restructuring British systems to allow other cultures to maintain their standards is one which .... very well intended as it may have been .... will simply never cease while it is "pandered to". It will simply expand, as it has done increasingly over recent years.

There is nothing inherently Muslim about segregation, it is one interpretation.

The solution is a fourth one, their families should be educated toward greater integration, not increased isolation.

The segregation is illegal in the UK, but is demanded due to cultural norms. Which correct stance takes precedence ? There is NO possibility of cultural integration while cultural segregation is encouraged. How can that be in the long term best interests of Muslim women ... in Britain at least.

[Harry Genshaw]

In an ideal world I would agree with your post Bobo but as things stand today in this scenario, which is better;

Muslim girl gets no education or
Muslim girl gets segregated education?

No easy answer but I could live with this kind of segregation if it meant future generations within that community, would be educated by the very people that are currently being denied an education.

[William the White]

The whole sorry, failed multi-cultural experiment of constantly restructuring British systems to allow other cultures to maintain their standards is one which .... very well intended as it may have been .... will simply never cease while it is "pandered to". It will simply expand, as it has done increasingly over recent years.

There is nothing inherently Muslim about segregation, it is one interpretation.

The solution is a fourth one, their families should be educated toward greater integration, not increased isolation.

The segregation is illegal in the UK, but is demanded due to cultural norms. Which correct stance takes precedence ? There is NO possibility of cultural integration while cultural segregation is encouraged. How can that be in the long term best interests of Muslim women ... in Britain at least.

Not so. single sex education is common in Britain. Half the Cabinet had the benefit of it - so, looking at the results, obviously, it's beyond criticism. Single faith education isn't illegal either - half the people on this forum wore brown or purple in their formative years, and look how well they all, but for a few rare exceptions, turned out. And the only way British women got into universities in the first place - many years ago - was in single sex colleges... and, for years, they weren't allowed to obtain degrees!

Change sometimes takes time... but, even slowly, it may be worth having... The young women might be in single sex classes, but they won't be so in all the social, communal spaces... They want the education now... I'd like to find a way they could get it.

You would deny it to them. I think that's a difficult decision. You don't. Must be nice to be blessed with such certainty.

[TANGODANCER]

People aren't Muslims by first category. That should be "people" . Muslim is a religion and one that forbids certain things that will probably never change for those who follow Islam. To change anything in the broad sense and make it all work, religion should be kept out of a multi-cultural world, or a level agreed upon whereby it isn't allowed to prohibit generally beneficial issues like education. Christianity manages to function within that criteria. Somehow, I can't see that happening totally within Islam, ever. Islamic law is a part of general life to Muslims, covering almost everything they do. Only they can change it.