The Politics Thread

[bobo the clown]

^^ yep. You can't see that and not want to pistol whip it can you !?

[Hoboh]

Don't talk wet they are fleeing fcuk all, were they being raped, killed or such in Turkey and other 'Islamic' safe countries they are leaving?
Economic migrants and nothing else, that's what they are, exactly the same as the chancers in Calais.
You can stick your 'international prospective' any place you like or do you work off the theory if one sticks his hand in the fire we all do?
Oh hang on, I've just realised that's what socialism is all about, burned hands!

Are you seriously suggesting that out of the hundreds of countries in the world it is a total coincidence that the 50,000 migrants arriving in Greece are arriving from Afghanistan & Syria. Both war-torn directly due to western foreign policy.

"Fleeing feck all" - do you read the news? Hear of Isil??

If you'd read the article, you would have seen that there are 1.6 million refugees in Turkey. Should they all stay there? There are 1.5 million in Lebanon with a population of 4.5million.

Since the Syrian civil war began, Germany has taken in 100,000. We took in 143!!! We received less applications than the rest of Europe. So you are talking horseshit.

Anybody seriously quoting the Dailymail on the subject of Immigration is clearly lacking any critical faculties.

They are the neighbouring countries, not too far so when the war sorts its self out they have not got far to go to rebuild the country they came from.
Lets get one thing clear who the feck are ISIS, shed loads of foreigners or their fellow countrymen, even sons!
If Germany chooses to take in 100,000 that is Germanys choice, if we don't want any that's our choice (and you can slag off the mail all you like, it ain't just there pal that folk are commenting NO)
Of course preaching as the mad arse socialist propaganda agent you are, I would expect the line of your view being imposed on everyone for the good of all!
You should have stuck to being the play thing of the commies.

Are you seriously suggesting that out of the hundreds of countries in the world it is a total coincidence that the 50,000 migrants arriving in Greece are arriving from Afghanistan & Syria. Both war-torn directly due to western foreign policy.

From Afghanistan you have to cross shed loads of countries to get to Greece and we didn't cause the problems in Syria, forgotten the Arab spring uprising? You know the one were shed loads of people from rural areas flooded into towns and cities, stirred up the shit and split the population and are now legging it off?
Keep backing immigration pal, at least it will be another nail in the coffin lid keeping the ghost of Labour interned.
We received less applications than the rest of Europe. So you are talking horseshit.

We received less applications than the rest of Europe. So you are talking horseshit.

Again so what?
That's legal applications not wankers jumping out of trucks at motorway services.
Calm, peaceful, migrants who will contribute to our society, or lawless, stop at nothing thugs to get their own way, smashing down fences and threatening drivers?
Strange how a special forces task team as been deployed to Folkestone because of the terror threat from our peace loving vandals.
My horse shit sure smells a lot sweeter than bull shit!

[thebish]

I'd just like to point out that Germany is NOT a neighbouring country to Syria...

[Prufrock]

Also, Hoboh, you ARE a socialist. Everything you've said about Corbyn over the last few pages is dyed-in-the-wool Red. Immigration isn't tied to socialism. Be true to yourself, man!

[Hoboh]

I'd just like to point out that Germany is NOT a neighbouring country to Syria...

No, but Germany chooses to except applications.

[Hoboh]

Also, Hoboh, you ARE a socialist. Everything you've said about Corbyn over the last few pages is dyed-in-the-wool Red. Immigration isn't tied to socialism. Be true to yourself, man!

I have no doubt I would have liked some of the preaching and actions of Genghis Khan, hardly means I'm a Mongol warrior!

[jaffka]

Also, Hoboh, you ARE a socialist. Everything you've said about Corbyn over the last few pages is dyed-in-the-wool Red. Immigration isn't tied to socialism. Be true to yourself, man!

I have no doubt I would have liked some of the preaching and actions of Genghis Khan, hardly means I'm a Mongol warrior!

Yes, I quite like how he used white, red and black tents.

[Hoboh]

Also, Hoboh, you ARE a socialist. Everything you've said about Corbyn over the last few pages is dyed-in-the-wool Red. Immigration isn't tied to socialism. Be true to yourself, man!

No it isn't, nothing has to be dyed-in-the-wool Red, left, right or whatever to be fairer.

There always will be very wealthy individuals, but they should pay their fair share, I read somewhere once hat Branson pays about 5% income tax when his accountants had finished and taking into account what he'd paid them, he still must have saved a hell of a wedge!

Trident, HS2 are a waste of cash, provide a few jobs short term (mainly from overseas so the contractors can cheapskate) but otherwise a waste of time.
Companies pay up or Fcuk off it's that simple, anyone caught in financial mismanagement should be jailed and the key thrown away.
Our legal system needs massive reform, both in the number and relevance of some laws and the twisted complicated mess it has become, we should have lay judges.
I totally agree with a £20,000 cap on benefits and two children rules, If you are not settled and cannot afford kids keep your legs or flies shut!
There should be stricter rules on local councils to put a stop to their social engineering and gerrymandering.
ISIS should be exterminated, no prisoners, no messing, total annihilation of the scum.
Pick your left/right out of that

[Hoboh]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015 ... ip-hammond" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Notice who opposes it?
Same mob who admit they got it wrong over immigration last time
Vote labour, get the world (or at least it's never do wells)

Corbyn urged politicians to “explicitly recognise the contribution of Africans and other migrants to our society, not speak in these disgraceful terms.”

Sales of fencing is going through the roof due to African migrants, I'll give him that.

[BWFC_Insane]

It is depressing how far we've regressed that it is virtually ok for a politician to start saying "we don't want none of these here foreign types coming over here causing trouble"..

Very depressing. The rhetoric is absolutely terrible.

This is a global problem that we are part of. It needs a global solution, not Britain standing saying "we're alright we're British, close the borders". Why on earth shouldn't we take a fair share of the asylum seekers here? Why not? We're talking small numbers and I see little reason to not take some of these migrants when other countries are bearing a far larger load.

[Hoboh]

It is depressing how far we've regressed that it is virtually ok for a politician to start saying "we don't want none of these here foreign types coming over here causing trouble"..

Very depressing. The rhetoric is absolutely terrible.

This is a global problem that we are part of. It needs a global solution, not Britain standing saying "we're alright we're British, close the borders". Why on earth shouldn't we take a fair share of the asylum seekers here? Why not? We're talking small numbers and I see little reason to not take some of these migrants when other countries are bearing a far larger load.

Their choice, you want more then sponsor and put them up, you may struggle to find a family though with all the macho brave single males who don't give a shit neither for their country nor family left behind!

[Hoboh]

Also, Hoboh, you ARE a socialist. Everything you've said about Corbyn over the last few pages is dyed-in-the-wool Red. Immigration isn't tied to socialism. Be true to yourself, man!

So you support this creature and call yourself a socialist, oh dear.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... p-election" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

She'd be a shoe in for a Camoron cabinet floozy.

[Prufrock]

Don't confuse you calling me a socialist (a word that's meaning eludes you time and time again) with me calling myself a socialist.

I enjoy that that article quotes her frustration at the inherent sexism in the way she's interviewed about three paragraphs after taking about what she's wearing and what bag she has

[William the White]

Mrs de Blanc and myself registered as Labour supporters today.

We'll be voting for Jeremy.

[Hoboh]

Don't confuse you calling me a socialist (a word that's meaning eludes you time and time again) with me calling myself a socialist.

I enjoy that that article quotes her frustration at the inherent sexism in the way she's interviewed about three paragraphs after taking about what she's wearing and what bag she has

I actually distrust someone who has being in power at the top of their list.
I know what a socialist is sonny and it's so far removed from your uni day dreaming you wouldn't believe.
Animal farm was bob on!

[Hoboh]

Mrs de Blanc and myself registered as Labour supporters today.

We'll be voting for Jeremy.

[BWFC_Insane]

It isn't true that you have to be clearly on either side of the political spectrum on every issue to be able to use a badge or claim ideas.

It is perfectly possible to have a mix of right and left ideas and beliefs. It doesn't make you a flip-flopper or a power-hungry chancer. It just means that you have a broad range of views.

I'm sure that many on the left have at one point or another down the decades been in favour of hanging. It doesn't mean that suddenly they're all sell outs. I'm sure some people on the left believe in nuclear weapons too. Or people might be socially left but economically right. It is a complex thing and isn't a badge.

Look at Cameron and Osborne, they'd re-badged the Tories as the cuddly slightly right of centre party. Some things they've done have even been (on the face of it) quite close to a centre left position. In some ways it is why they've done well. Had they maintained the Michael Howard brand of Conservatism (perception wise at least) 2010 probably would have resulted in Brown hanging on by his finger nails. But they made themselves seem like sympathetic Tories and even SOME of their policies have reflected that to an extent.

I'm not sure of the obsession with having a definitive left vs definitive right setup comes from. I think that isn't a real fight that will happen. Unless the Tories go mad and frankly I don't see that in the next 5 years.

[Hoboh]

It isn't true that you have to be clearly on either side of the political spectrum on every issue to be able to use a badge or claim ideas.

It is perfectly possible to have a mix of right and left ideas and beliefs. It doesn't make you a flip-flopper or a power-hungry chancer. It just means that you have a broad range of views.

I'm sure that many on the left have at one point or another down the decades been in favour of hanging. It doesn't mean that suddenly they're all sell outs. I'm sure some people on the left believe in nuclear weapons too. Or people might be socially left but economically right. It is a complex thing and isn't a badge.

Look at Cameron and Osborne, they'd red-badged the Tories as the cuddly slightly right of centre party. Some things they've done have even been (on the face of it) quite close to a centre left position. In some ways it is why they've done well. Had they maintained the Michael Howard brand of Conservatism (perception wise at least) 2010 probably would have resulted in Brown hanging on by his finger nails. But they made themselves seem like sympathetic Tories and even SOME of their policies have reflected that to an extent.

I'm not sure of the obsession with having a definitive left vs definitive right setup comes from. I think that isn't a real fight that will happen. Unless the Tories go mad and frankly I don't see that in the next 5 years.

Europe will do for the Tories, unfortunately for labour because of their softness on migrants and the love of the EU it won't do them any good either

[BWFC_Insane]

Europe will do for the Tories, unfortunately for labour because of their softness on migrants and the love of the EU it won't do them any good either

Actually a good example. Back in the day, the left of the Labour party were anti-EU. In fact I suspect the some of the Labour left wing still are to be honest.

[Hoboh]

Europe will do for the Tories, unfortunately for labour because of their softness on migrants and the love of the EU it won't do them any good either

Actually a good example. Back in the day, the left of the Labour party were anti-EU. In fact I suspect the some of the Labour left wing still are to be honest.

Ah but the Burnham's, Ball, and Kendall's of the labour world along with their supporters are committed Europhiles