Margaret Thatcher, R.I.P.?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I strongly object to part of my taxes (even one fxcking penny) paying for the funeral of that bitch. She was a multi-millionaire for fxcks sake, let her family pay for it. The state didn't pay for my father-in-law's funeral last week; I don't see why I should contribute to her's, especially as I'd prefer to hurl dog shit at her passing coffin. [NB for mummywhy - I'm old enough to make this statement, I lived through the Thatcher years. My family had recently moved to South Yorkshire when she was first elected. I watched first hand as a Yorkshire pit village was fxcking decimated, deliberately, by that bitch, Mcgregor and their police stooges, so I think I qualified enough to comment].
One other thing, why is it it that some of you detest my hatred of her, what's it to you? I don't give a flying fxck if you want to kiss her dead arse (go ahead, be my guest) so why do you not like it that I despise her and her memory?

[Bruce Rioja]

^ The pit in this village - was it profitable?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Of course it was, it was on the South Yorkshire seam. Some of the finest coal deposits in the world lie there.
Just like Sheffield steel was the finest steel in the world until Thatcher destroyed the industry.

[Bruce Rioja]

Of course it was, it was on the South Yorkshire seam. Some of the finest coal deposits in the world lie there.

So why didn't anyone buy it then rather than bleating on about the government whilst trying to murder serving Police Officers?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Of course it was, it was on the South Yorkshire seam. Some of the finest coal deposits in the world lie there.

So why didn't anyone buy it then rather than bleating on about the government whilst trying to murder serving Police Officers?

It's still producing coal. And actually, serving police officers, from my perspective, appeared to be mob handedly trying to murder working class blokes. But as you are squarely middle class, you wouldn't have known anything about that (or are you in the elite, I forget which).

[Worthy4England]

Of course it was, it was on the South Yorkshire seam. Some of the finest coal deposits in the world lie there.

So why didn't anyone buy it then rather than bleating on about the government whilst trying to murder serving Police Officers?

Were they actually for sale prior to, or during, the miners strike?

Genuine question.

[mrkint]

This editorial reads...well, I don't like the way it reads. It's almost obsessive and hysterical in it's praise.

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[Lost Leopard Spot]

Of course it was, it was on the South Yorkshire seam. Some of the finest coal deposits in the world lie there.

So why didn't anyone buy it then rather than bleating on about the government whilst trying to murder serving Police Officers?

It's still producing coal. And actually, serving police officers, from my perspective, appeared to be mob handedly trying to murder working class blokes. But as you are squarely middle class, you wouldn't have known anything about that (or are you in the elite, I forget which).

You see it wasn't an economic argument, it was purely a class argument, with the police used as shock troops. There was just as much coal produced after as before as to make sod all difference. The difference was the extra millions put out work as a deliberate act of policy, that and the destruction of a handful of villages in Yorkshire and the North East.
This from the BBC today >

[Lord Kangana]

The genuine tragedy yesterday was that an old lady died alone in a hotel bedroom with no members of her family in attendance. If anyone wants a pointer to Thatcher's real legacy, its right there in those last few moments.

It was a very exclusive 5* hotel, though.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

And anyway, you (Brucie, and others too) still haven't answered my question.
What's it to you if I can't stand Thatcher? Why does it cause you any pain at all?

[Montreal Wanderer]

And anyway, you (Brucie, and others too) still haven't answered my question.
What's it to you if I can't stand Thatcher? Why does it cause you any pain at all?

I have no problem with you vilifying her as a politician, accusing her of destroying villages, blaming her for all Britain's ills of today, etc., etc. I do find taking great joy in someone's death odd and wanting to throw dog-shit at her coffin tasteless. Reading vulgar and tasteless remarks does offend me, if not actually cause pain. Worse, it causes me to lose respect for people I might or actually do otherwise admire.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

And anyway, you (Brucie, and others too) still haven't answered my question.
What's it to you if I can't stand Thatcher? Why does it cause you any pain at all?

I have no problem with you vilifying her as a politician, accusing her of destroying villages, blaming her for all Britain's ills of today, etc., etc. I do find taking great joy in someone's death odd and wanting to throw dog-shit at her coffin tasteless. Reading vulgar and tasteless remarks does offend me, if not actually cause pain. Worse, it causes me to lose respect for people I might or actually do otherwise admire.

Well at least you've had the decency to reply, so I'll attempt to reach a compromise with you. I'm sorry that you think what I wrote was offensive, I had no intention of causing you offense. I do believe however that you have misunderstood exactly what I said. I believe, rather than me saying that I wanted to throw dog shit at her coffin, that I actually expressed a preference to do that rather than pay for her funeral. It was a comparison, not an absolute. Secondly I feel a bit raw at the moment as we have just buried my father-in-law. He was one of the miners at Eckington and after he lost his job there he never worked again. I feel it would be more appropriate for the spawn's children to have paid for his funeral than the family of my father-in-law to pay for hers.

[Montreal Wanderer]

And anyway, you (Brucie, and others too) still haven't answered my question.
What's it to you if I can't stand Thatcher? Why does it cause you any pain at all?

I have no problem with you vilifying her as a politician, accusing her of destroying villages, blaming her for all Britain's ills of today, etc., etc. I do find taking great joy in someone's death odd and wanting to throw dog-shit at her coffin tasteless. Reading vulgar and tasteless remarks does offend me, if not actually cause pain. Worse, it causes me to lose respect for people I might or actually do otherwise admire.

Well at least you've had the decency to reply, so I'll attempt to reach a compromise with you. I'm sorry that you think what I wrote was offensive, I had no intention of causing you offense. I do believe however that you have misunderstood exactly what I said. I believe, rather than me saying that I wanted to throw dog shit at her coffin, that I actually expressed a preference to do that rather than pay for her funeral. It was a comparison, not an absolute. Secondly I feel a bit raw at the moment as we have just buried my father-in-law. He was one of the miners at Eckington and after he lost his job there he never worked again. I feel it would be more appropriate for the spawn's children to have paid for his funeral than the family of my father-in-law to pay for hers.

Well, I can understand reluctance to pay for a state funeral and I wasn't just talking about your post although from page 1 you seemed delighted she was dead (playing ding dong at full blast etc). I just don't understand rejoicing at someone's death. And if her legacy was so obviously bad why wasn't it fixed over the next 25 years? There is an old joke - how many Palestinians does it take to change a light bulb. None, they sit in the dark and blame the Israelis. It seems to me people must have sat in the dark for a quarter century blaming Thatcher rather than doing something about it. The other conclusion is that the majority of politicians and voters approved of her legacy, so felt nothing need be done.

[bwfcdan94]

Well, until that interjection I was on the fence.

Now my mind it made up.

So you disagree with me? I mean you do on most things.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

And anyway, you (Brucie, and others too) still haven't answered my question.
What's it to you if I can't stand Thatcher? Why does it cause you any pain at all?

I have no problem with you vilifying her as a politician, accusing her of destroying villages, blaming her for all Britain's ills of today, etc., etc. I do find taking great joy in someone's death odd and wanting to throw dog-shit at her coffin tasteless. Reading vulgar and tasteless remarks does offend me, if not actually cause pain. Worse, it causes me to lose respect for people I might or actually do otherwise admire.

Well at least you've had the decency to reply, so I'll attempt to reach a compromise with you. I'm sorry that you think what I wrote was offensive, I had no intention of causing you offense. I do believe however that you have misunderstood exactly what I said. I believe, rather than me saying that I wanted to throw dog shit at her coffin, that I actually expressed a preference to do that rather than pay for her funeral. It was a comparison, not an absolute. Secondly I feel a bit raw at the moment as we have just buried my father-in-law. He was one of the miners at Eckington and after he lost his job there he never worked again. I feel it would be more appropriate for the spawn's children to have paid for his funeral than the family of my father-in-law to pay for hers.

Well, I can understand reluctance to pay for a state funeral and I wasn't just talking about your post although from page 1 you seemed delighted she was dead (playing ding dong at full blast etc). I just don't understand rejoicing at someone's death. And if her legacy was so obviously bad why wasn't it fixed over the next 25 years? There is an old joke - how many Palestinians does it take to change a light bulb. None, they sit in the dark and blame the Israelis. It seems to me people must have sat in the dark for a quarter century blaming Thatcher rather than doing something about it. The other conclusion is that the majority of politicians and voters approved of her legacy, so felt nothing need be done.

I don't care whether her legacy was the greatest thing since sliced bread. I don't care that the majority of politicians and voters would marry her (though I feel you err if you think the majority of voters approved of her - they didn't and the figures speak loudly about that, but we digress). I feel, personally, a hatred towards her for the interference she caused to me and mine directly. We are all different and it must be obvious that we all react differently. Again, personally (and obviously unlike both yourself and the Bish), I'm not particularly a fan of homo sapiens - I much prefer other species to our own, and there are many people on whose behalf I would be happy to celebrate when they are/were dead, not just her. It's a foible of mine, one I'm happy to live with, and one I fail to see why anybody else would get upset about. But as it obviously has upset you then I apologise for that upset, but Monty, I honestly cannot change my feelings towards Thatcher.

[Worthy4England]

And anyway, you (Brucie, and others too) still haven't answered my question.
What's it to you if I can't stand Thatcher? Why does it cause you any pain at all?

I have no problem with you vilifying her as a politician, accusing her of destroying villages, blaming her for all Britain's ills of today, etc., etc. I do find taking great joy in someone's death odd and wanting to throw dog-shit at her coffin tasteless. Reading vulgar and tasteless remarks does offend me, if not actually cause pain. Worse, it causes me to lose respect for people I might or actually do otherwise admire.

Well at least you've had the decency to reply, so I'll attempt to reach a compromise with you. I'm sorry that you think what I wrote was offensive, I had no intention of causing you offense. I do believe however that you have misunderstood exactly what I said. I believe, rather than me saying that I wanted to throw dog shit at her coffin, that I actually expressed a preference to do that rather than pay for her funeral. It was a comparison, not an absolute. Secondly I feel a bit raw at the moment as we have just buried my father-in-law. He was one of the miners at Eckington and after he lost his job there he never worked again. I feel it would be more appropriate for the spawn's children to have paid for his funeral than the family of my father-in-law to pay for hers.

Well, I can understand reluctance to pay for a state funeral and I wasn't just talking about your post although from page 1 you seemed delighted she was dead (playing ding dong at full blast etc). I just don't understand rejoicing at someone's death. And if her legacy was so obviously bad why wasn't it fixed over the next 25 years? There is an old joke - how many Palestinians does it take to change a light bulb. None, they sit in the dark and blame the Israelis. It seems to me people must have sat in the dark for a quarter century blaming Thatcher rather than doing something about it. The other conclusion is that the majority of politicians and voters approved of her legacy, so felt nothing need be done.

I think to bring the conversation around the Thatcher Government down to the single issue of "pits" is not a sound basis for any dialogue. I could see the need (as a Trades Unionist), to curb the power of the Trades Unions. I could also understand that uneconomic shit needed closing down. That said, there are ways and means. The way she and her cohorts went about it, with unemployment running at post-war highs then telling folks to "get on their bikes" - that's what sitcks in the fecking craw. They watched established industries go to the wall as their economic policies changed, whilst cutting benefits and the like and pretending that the people that were being put out of work were somehow at fault, if they couldn't find new work.

My old fella, never had a sick day off in his fecking life despite having chronic asthma since being a kid, cycled to work and was a tailors cutter. Ignoring the fact that people benefitted from a load of cheap imports as the market opened up for a minute, he was a conscientious, hard working bloke who put in long hours for little pay. But yes there were cheaper imports available. He ended up with a longer bike ride as first one factory got shut, then another, before he was made redundant.

The fact was, he felt scrap-heaped by this change within the market he worked in, at the age of late 50's, what the fcuk was he supposed to do? Learn how to be a fcuking call centre agent?

I racked my head last night, to see if I could think of anyone else on the planet I actually hated (you have to work at hate) - I came up with no other person.

She was a shit of the first water.

I can't be doing with a load of fecking Tory's unimpacted by Thatcherism (or people who weren't even around to experience it by dint of them a) Not being born or b) not being in the country, telling me what level of comtempt it is appropriate for me to feel towards this witch.

On behalf of my old man and all like him, good riddance to bad rubbish.

[Montreal Wanderer]

I came from what most people here would consider an upper middle class background, which was great until Harold Wilson was elected. My father, an engineer, then began paying supertax - 19/6 in the pound or 97.5%. This destroyed any incentive to work and placed economic restrictions on the family. My father died when he was 63. My grandmother had left me 5,000 pounds - a goodly sum back then worth Can $15,000. However, I couldn't get it over here owing to Harold's currency controls. Then Harold devalued the pound, saying not to worry it wouldn't affect the pound in my pocket. When I was finally able to get the money out it was worth some Can $8,000. I lost almost half my little all. So I didn't like Harold and I certainly didn't like his policies. They affected me and my family quite negatively. Yet I think that Harold at least deserved some respect and I didn't feel glad when he died. I guess I don't take the actions of democratically elected leaders personally and have fortunately lived in societies where I can say exactly what I think of them.

[Worthy4England]

I came from what most people here would consider an upper middle class background, which was great until Harold Wilson was elected. My father, an engineer, then began paying supertax - 19/6 in the pound or 97.5%. This destroyed any incentive to work and placed economic restrictions on the family. My father died when he was 63. My grandmother had left me 5,000 pounds - a goodly sum back then worth Can $15,000. However, I couldn't get it over here owing to Harold's currency controls. Then Harold devalued the pound, saying not to worry it wouldn't affect the pound in my pocket. When I was finally able to get the money out it was worth some Can $8,000. I lost almost half my little all. So I didn't like Harold and I certainly didn't like his policies. They affected me and my family quite negatively. Yet I think that Harold at least deserved some respect and I didn't feel glad when he died. I guess I don't take the actions of democratically elected leaders personally and have fortunately lived in societies where I can say exactly what I think of them.

Which is what I'm doing.

[bobo the clown]

Well, until that interjection I was on the fence.

Now my mind it made up.

So you disagree with me? I mean you do on most things.

Well now .... & this is entirely up to you ... do you really want an answer to that ?

[Worthy4England]

Well, until that interjection I was on the fence.

Now my mind it made up.

So you disagree with me? I mean you do on most things.

Well now .... & this is entirely up to you ... do you really want an answer to that ?

I have to confess Bobo, I was a bit uncertain which side of the fence you landed on too!

It's not all that clear.