Today I'm angry about.....

[bwfcdan94]

I used to do an 18 mile walk every weekend still do every now then but rarely does a day go by that I walk less than 6 miles.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I used to do an 18 mile walk every weekend still do every now then but rarely does a day go by that I walk less than 6 miles.

I was taking contention with the fact you said that driving equalled not walking, which by my example is patently not true. I also challenged the fact that taking the train is faster, which again, in the example I was demonstrating, was patently not true.

[bobo the clown]

.... except going into central London, the slowness there, congestion charge, parking fees for a week.

Almost anywhere else I'd agree with you Spotty, not sure about that London.

I generally dump the car in Chiswick and get the tube in. Works for me.

Similar. I go to Uxbridge or thereabouts and tube or overland in.

[Montreal Wanderer]

Bullshit Dan. When, for example was the last time you did a forty mile walk devoid of footpaths (in one day)?
Mine was a few weeks ago. I could do that because I could drive up to where I needed to be in order to start the walk. It might have been possible by public transport, but would have been impossible by train. The journey time to the nearest town where a train could get was, also, at least ten hours slower than the drive up.

When was the last time I walked 40 miles on presumably uneven ground? My answer would be never. I did 20 miles on Dartmoor when I was playing soldiers (no choice) and that nearly killed me when I was a fit teenager. If you are not a long distance hiker,there are sights to see than can only be seen from the train (e.g. a lot of the Dumfries-Stranraer line in Galloway). Equally the car can get you to places the train won't go (Hardknot Pass). Shanks pony will do the rest (but not forty miles!).

[General Mannerheim]

It normally takes 3 hrs door to door, 2hrs on the pendolino then half an hour at each end - and I can sit drinking gin and watching films all the way.

[Bruce Rioja]

If you get a season ticket or book in advance train will be cheaper 85% of the time and you don't have to pay all these extra charges that you do with a car (road tax, license, the cost of learning to drive in the first place, the cost of the car, insurance, etc etc)

So, Dan. What about those of us that drive for free (with the exception of the amount that I pay the Exchequer, monies that I have to pay even if the car's sat on the drive)?

Another one that you haven't thought through.

[bwfcdan94]

If you get a season ticket or book in advance train will be cheaper 85% of the time and you don't have to pay all these extra charges that you do with a car (road tax, license, the cost of learning to drive in the first place, the cost of the car, insurance, etc etc)

So, Dan. What about those of us that drive for free (with the exception of the amount that I pay the Exchequer, monies that I have to pay even if the car's sat on the drive)?

Another one that you haven't thought through.

Explain further please.

[thebish]

^ bruce has a posh and swizzy executive company car - what with him being so posh!

[Bruce Rioja]

^ bruce has a posh and swizzy executive company car - what with him being so posh!

Nah, I'm a car thief; 'twocking' is my game

[Il Pirate]

I generally dump the car in Chiswick and get the tube in.

And that's why I can never park outside my lad's house. (Neither can he for that matter).

[Bruce Rioja]

I generally dump the car in Chiswick and get the tube in.

And that's why I can never park outside my lad's house. (Neither can he for that matter).

Does he live on Gordon Road?

[Montreal Wanderer]

I generally dump the car in Chiswick and get the tube in.

And that's why I can never park outside my lad's house. (Neither can he for that matter).

Here we have Sector Parking - half the parking spots in any particular sector are reserved for residents of same who have a sticker. I find this a bit irritating since I have no sticker for any sector....

[Hoboh]

If you get a season ticket or book in advance train will be cheaper 85% of the time and you don't have to pay all these extra charges that you do with a car (road tax, license, the cost of learning to drive in the first place, the cost of the car, insurance, etc etc), car users only ever think of the cost of fuel and think its cheaper. You can also relax/work/sleep/eat/read something on the train which you cant do when your driving and unless your going to go in a bottle you are going to have to stop for a p*ss every now and then, the train is also quicker in fact I challenge people to come up with scenarios when it wouldn't be. Then you have to look at the stress involved and the concentration of being on the road and in traffic jams, there is the fact that you don't get to talk to anybody when driving (everytime I am going to a football match I will speak to at least 10 if not 20 fellow football fans going on away days). There is the risk of a crash and the fact that per a year the number of people who die due to traveling on the train is 1% of the number of people who die in car accidents or being hit by a car (that includes suicides for the trains btw). Infact it bewilders me why anybody would want to drive to me it is just antisocial selfishness with a bit of look at my car its mine I own it. I honestly believe if we got rid of al roads and built a load of new railway lines then then this country would be a much happier and better place. For starters we wouldn't have a humongous amount of people whop cant walk more than a few hundred yards because they are used to going everywhere in their cars. On the train I see everything in terms of landscape Britain has to offer in the car all you really see halve the time is over cars,service stations and motorways.

You are getting hard to like!

[bobo the clown]

You are getting hard to like!

that may be the funniest line ever written on this site.

[Beefheart]

If you get a season ticket or book in advance train will be cheaper 85% of the time and you don't have to pay all these extra charges that you do with a car (road tax, license, the cost of learning to drive in the first place, the cost of the car, insurance, etc etc), car users only ever think of the cost of fuel and think its cheaper. You can also relax/work/sleep/eat/read something on the train which you cant do when your driving and unless your going to go in a bottle you are going to have to stop for a p*ss every now and then, the train is also quicker in fact I challenge people to come up with scenarios when it wouldn't be. Then you have to look at the stress involved and the concentration of being on the road and in traffic jams, there is the fact that you don't get to talk to anybody when driving (everytime I am going to a football match I will speak to at least 10 if not 20 fellow football fans going on away days). There is the risk of a crash and the fact that per a year the number of people who die due to traveling on the train is 1% of the number of people who die in car accidents or being hit by a car (that includes suicides for the trains btw). Infact it bewilders me why anybody would want to drive to me it is just antisocial selfishness with a bit of look at my car its mine I own it. I honestly believe if we got rid of al roads and built a load of new railway lines then then this country would be a much happier and better place. For starters we wouldn't have a humongous amount of people whop cant walk more than a few hundred yards because they are used to going everywhere in their cars. On the train I see everything in terms of landscape Britain has to offer in the car all you really see halve the time is over cars,service stations and motorways.

You are getting hard to like!

There are times when getting a train is better. Manchester to London being one of them. However, for my job I'm all over the North West, and sometimes the train is fine, but for others, like my biggest client in Knutsford, I have to be up at around 5.45 to get to the client site for 8.30. There's one train an hour so if I'm a little late for the train I'm a lot late for work. When I finally get a car I'll be able to set of much later and still arrive at the same time. Plus, I'll get 45p a bloody mile!

[Il Pirate]

Estate Agents. Need more be said!!???

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I generally dump the car in Chiswick and get the tube in.

And that's why I can never park outside my lad's house. (Neither can he for that matter).

Why don't you use the quote function, out of interest?

[thebish]

Estate Agents. Need more be said!!???

never having bought or sold a house - I've never used one personally - though I have been involved with them in the sale/rent of church property..

strikes me that they could do SO much more.

there was a series of programs on recently where "phil" (from phil and kirsty) helped people sell their homes. invariably he would talk to the estate agent about why the house was not selling - and the estate agent would appear to have no clue at all and have no suggestions other than reducing the offer price.

phil would go into the house and discover a dozen OBVIOUS reasons that the house wasn't selling (oh look - you've got a rotting dead cat in the bath!) - and fix them - and then the house would sell...

why isn't it seen as OBVIOUS that an estate agent would do that in the first place - proactively work with people to sell their houses. how hard can it be to visit a house every 2 weeks or so and make suggestions? you'd think it was in the estate agents interests, no? (unless i am missing how estate agents make their money - which quite possibly I am!)

[BWFC_Insane]

Estate Agents. Need more be said!!???

never having bought or sold a house - I've never used one personally - though I have been involved with them in the sale/rent of church property..

strikes me that they could do SO much more.

there was a series of programs on recently where "phil" (from phil and kirsty) helped people sell their homes. invariably he would talk to the estate agent about why the house was not selling - and the estate agent would appear to have no clue at all and have no suggestions other than reducing the offer price.

phil would go into the house and discover a dozen OBVIOUS reasons that the house wasn't selling (oh look - you've got a rotting dead cat in the bath!) - and fix them - and then the house would sell...

why isn't it seen as OBVIOUS that an estate agent would do that in the first place - proactively work with people to sell their houses. how hard can it be to visit a house every 2 weeks or so and make suggestions? you'd think it was in the estate agents interests, no? (unless i am missing how estate agents make their money - which quite possibly I am!)

Think it is a fair point. Estate agents get their fee for doing relatively little.

I'm guessing that the trouble is that most estate agents don't have the time to go and offer personalised advice to each house seller on their books. In addition I suspect in a lot of cases there isn't much that can be done to shift the house. I realise that on telly there will be a mountain of advice from Phil Spencer etc but I suspect the cold hard realities of many situations are, reduce the price, tidy it up, wait a long time.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

never having bought or sold a house - I've never used one personally - though I have been involved with them...

You're a stylite, a troglodyte, or an anchorite I'm guessing.