Brexit or Britin

[Lord Kangana]

You mean making sure they are on the right side when the shit hits the floor?

Bet your arse they're already talking to Boris over his next election campaign.

You should all be shuddering now if you're not already, by the way.

[bobo the clown]

^^ there's no need. Pru told us. It was barely worth holding the referendum as there was zero chance of 'Out' getting anywhere at all.

[Lord Kangana]

You won't be laughing next week.

Vote Brexit, get Boris. You've been warned. All of you.

[Worthy4England]

You won't be laughing next week.

Vote Brexit, get Boris. You've been warned. All of you.

I reckon if there's an out vote (and I still think there will be), I think it's actually important that one of the prominent Brexiteers needs to be accountable for the promises made...

[Harry Genshaw]

You won't be laughing next week.

Vote Brexit, get Boris. You've been warned. All of you.

And vote remain you get his 2 mates from the Bullingdon. Is there much of a difference?

[Lord Kangana]

It's more the cretins that will crawl out of the Tory right to back him. But he is a major f*ckwit in his own right.

[Worthy4England]

It's more the cretins that will crawl out of the Tory right to back him. But he is a major f*ckwit in his own right.

We should welcome them too. Better if they're out in the open.

[thebish]

You won't be laughing next week.

Vote Brexit, get Boris. You've been warned. All of you.

I reckon if there's an out vote (and I still think there will be), I think it's actually important that one of the prominent Brexiteers needs to be accountable for the promises made...

that's a tricky one - as they have (rightly) pointed out that they are not the government so cannot make any promises about how any cash we don't send to Brussles will be spent... that's up to whoever the democratically elected government will be... they merely point out that we will have more democratic choice over how we soend however much it is (or isn't!)

EXCEPT THAT... Boris's bus certainly implies that we'll be spending £350million a week on the NHS

and today they were writing to universities to promise that no research funding will be lost

and they also seem to have promised farmers that no subsidies will be lost...

they have also promised that all the bodies currently receiving EU grants in regional development aid will not be out of pocket.

all of which SOUND like making promises they will never be asked to keep given as they were not made while they were recognisably a government... them kind of promises are very easy to make...

[Worthy4England]

Well, Boris, IDS, Patel, Gove, Etc. Are part of the party of government...What happens the next four years? Cameron just shrugs and says "nowt to do wiv me guv"...

[thebish]

^ In fact, I see they have been quite specific about it today...

[quote="]If the public votes to leave on 23 June, we will continue to fund EU programmes in the UK until 2020, or up to the date when the EU is due to conclude individual programmes if that is earlier than 2020.

After protecting those now in receipt of EU funding, we will still have billions more to spend on our priorities. We propose that at least £5.5 billion of that be spent on the NHS by 2020, giving it a much-needed £100 million per week cash transfusion, and to use £1.7 billion to abolish VAT on household energy bills.[/quote]


Maybe Hoboh can help??? How can they make such promises and also promise that such decisions will be taken by our democratically elected government??


chances are we'd have slower growth - that would outweigh the amount we "save" by not paying in to the EU as a net contributor... so - in effect - they are promising to raise taxes and/or increase borrowing.

[Hoboh]

I spent the whole weekend playing Euro hokey cokey but was pretty set on out this morning. Then I saw the Sun headline promoting exit. I'm not sure I can vote for anything that Rupert Murdoch endorses. I think I'll just have to see how I feel on the day

Rupert Murdoch
Boris Johnson
Michel Gove
John Whittingdale
George Galloway
Iain Duncan-Smith
Chris Grayling
John Redwood
Nigel Farage
Katie Hopkins

and you can bet your bottom dollar, rouble and franc that Trump, Putin and Le Pen would be delighted if we took our ball back.

That doesn't mean to say that I think all is hunky dory in Euroland but I shudder the thought of that lot being given the political whip hand in the aftermath (part of which will almost inevitably be the break up of the UK).

Aye and what about the other side, I only need mention one!

Martin McGuinness, a former member of the IRA army council, pledged to campaign for In.

[Hoboh]

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Downing Street is considering a last-ditch attempt to revisit a deal on the free movement of workers before next week’s EU referendum, either by making a unilateral statement of intent or securing an understanding from European leaders that the issue can be examined under the UK presidency next year.

One senior remain campaign source said: “If I said this was not being looked at it, you would not believe me, given where we are in the polls.”

So the truth about influencing or changing the EU from inside if we remain is laid bare.

However, other European diplomats poured cold water on the idea of reopening discussion about free movement before the referendum.

“The [UK] agreement was hard-fought as it was,” said one EU official. “Many thought the maximum concessions had already been given and too much had been given.”


This was seconded by another EU diplomat, who said last-minute concessions were “totally, fully and entirely ruled out”. The diplomat said: “There was a negotiation last February and it was made very clear that there could be no further negotiations. We are not negotiating over the price of the house, or getting into a bidding war.”

The EU was already “very much in favour of the UK”, the diplomat added, pointing to the UK’s numerous opt-outs and a liberal single market. “You cannot go any further without questioning the whole project.”

[Hoboh]

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And of course Turkey will never get in the EU?

If Merkel fudges this, don't bet on it!

[Hoboh]

Right, my final say on the matter.

The remain camp followers have never once mentioned what great ideals the EU is going to provide,

not once have they mentioned any great projects that will benefit the people.

The EU can never find agreement on important things that effect us, ordinary folk, so called trade agreements with other parts of the world have been going on for years,

why?

Because 28 different countries, some with a very protectionist stand, cannot agree.
The trade within the EU is only of a certain value to us with some of the countries, the rest, we, alongside the better off nations are subsidising in terms of grants and taking the free movement of their domestically unsustainable work force.

The EU is suffering overall little or no growth, rising unemployment in certain areas that will soon, due to movement laws, mean a major shifting of populations from within, pressure on services and public funds.

We are facing migration on a massive scale from parts of the world with a totally none European outlook or way of living and the EU cannot find anyway to agree how to handle this problem, even coming late to the party.

The EU has a current deficit on money it has spent of around 80 billion and growing, who will end up paying for this, EU leaders or us the people?

The EU is becoming a stagnant non entity very rapidly, no vision, no real policy and soon to be sucking up more and more resources.
The answer the elites offer is further integration, rule fiddling and fudges so in essence when it hits the fan we will share the burden equally.

A democratic EU we the British people can influence?
One vote in 500 million
73 elected MP's out of 750
And this is supposed to be protecting UK democracy and giving us a large say in the EU despite being one of the largest contributors?

I am voting out of this federalist mad house whilst we still can, there will never be another chance, they will see to that.

Actually, for once worthy is right I missed a point.

Trade and growth within the EU is not infinite, it may come at a cost of another member states employment and that will further add to movement of people.
It is imperative we spread our wings and grow trade outside the EU.

That really is my final say, honestly.

[Worthy4England]

I don't believe it'll be your final say on the matter. Nosir.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

I think I'll just have to see how I feel on the day

I reckon that that's what it'll come down to for a whole bunch of us.

Aye. Had to send off my postal vote to get it back in time and sat there with my pen hovering trying to decide.

A while back I'd decided that if I knew for sure I wasn't coming back to the UK for 5 years or so then I was voting out - you lot can suffer the worst of it and everything settling down for my return Problem is, the final decision on Hong Kong hasn't been taken yet, so I don't know where I'm going to be next year. I don't want to be around for a Boris/Gove double act!

[thebish]

Right, my final say on the matter.

[BWFC_Insane]

I've always thought if it is a brexit vote then those that vote out should be prepared to shoulder the burden of any financial pain for the rest of us.

They should be prepared to take responsibility for their actions. That includes the brexit campaign and out voters.

I certainly will be holding them to account should things go downhill in that event.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

I've always thought if it is a brexit vote then those that vote out should be prepared to shoulder the burden of any financial pain for the rest of us.

They should be prepared to take responsibility for their actions. That includes the brexit campaign and out voters.

I certainly will be holding them to account should things go downhill in that event.

And similarly the inners should shoulder the same for the consequences of staying in. I assume you think the tory voters should be shouldering the pain of austerity or labour voters Iraq etc

[General Mannerheim]

apologies, I always need the information diluting when it comes to this politics business...

ive still no idea, im enjoying reading all the debate, they come out with all these facts, figures and statements - but its still impossible to tell if any of them are really true!?

is there anywhere I can read a valid, un-biased, 100% true list of for & against arguments?