The Politics Thread

[Bruce Rioja]

EDIT: And also the judgemental nature of "X isn't really disabled" is silly. You don't know how much pain they are in, how their lives are affected. See the lady with severe crohns disease who was genuinely classed as disabled but clearly didn't have a wheelchair or seem disabled in an obvious way getting a hate note for parking in a disabled bay recently.

Nor do you.

[Beefheart]

EDIT: And also the judgemental nature of "X isn't really disabled" is silly. You don't know how much pain they are in, how their lives are affected. See the lady with severe crohns disease who was genuinely classed as disabled but clearly didn't have a wheelchair or seem disabled in an obvious way getting a hate note for parking in a disabled bay recently.

Nor do you.

So given that, probably best to not cut the benefits, yeah?

[BWFC_Insane]

EDIT: And also the judgemental nature of "X isn't really disabled" is silly. You don't know how much pain they are in, how their lives are affected. See the lady with severe crohns disease who was genuinely classed as disabled but clearly didn't have a wheelchair or seem disabled in an obvious way getting a hate note for parking in a disabled bay recently.

Nor do you.

Exactly. So I assume that if they are registered disabled there is good reason for it, and feel they deserve societal support.

[Bruce Rioja]

EDIT: And also the judgemental nature of "X isn't really disabled" is silly. You don't know how much pain they are in, how their lives are affected. See the lady with severe crohns disease who was genuinely classed as disabled but clearly didn't have a wheelchair or seem disabled in an obvious way getting a hate note for parking in a disabled bay recently.

Nor do you.

Exactly. So I assume that if they are registered disabled there is good reason for it, and feel they deserve societal support.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I'm sure that there are plenty out there swinging the lead, not simply Beefheart's terminal cancer sufferers (of whom he still hasn't explained how they'd benefit from an extra £30).

[Beefheart]

EDIT: And also the judgemental nature of "X isn't really disabled" is silly. You don't know how much pain they are in, how their lives are affected. See the lady with severe crohns disease who was genuinely classed as disabled but clearly didn't have a wheelchair or seem disabled in an obvious way getting a hate note for parking in a disabled bay recently.

Nor do you.

Exactly. So I assume that if they are registered disabled there is good reason for it, and feel they deserve societal support.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I'm sure that there are plenty out there swinging the lead, not simply Beefheart's terminal cancer sufferers (of whom he still hasn't explained how they'd benefit from an extra £30).

It's not 'extra'. It's what they're getting now. Explain to me how taking £30 from them will help.

[BWFC_Insane]

EDIT: And also the judgemental nature of "X isn't really disabled" is silly. You don't know how much pain they are in, how their lives are affected. See the lady with severe crohns disease who was genuinely classed as disabled but clearly didn't have a wheelchair or seem disabled in an obvious way getting a hate note for parking in a disabled bay recently.

Nor do you.

Exactly. So I assume that if they are registered disabled there is good reason for it, and feel they deserve societal support.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I'm sure that there are plenty out there swinging the lead, not simply Beefheart's terminal cancer sufferers (of whom he still hasn't explained how they'd benefit from an extra £30).

Fine. Why do you need an extra few hundred quid though? Is your argument that you need that, but that a disabled person can lose £30 and it makes no difference to them?

[Bruce Rioja]

EDIT: And also the judgemental nature of "X isn't really disabled" is silly. You don't know how much pain they are in, how their lives are affected. See the lady with severe crohns disease who was genuinely classed as disabled but clearly didn't have a wheelchair or seem disabled in an obvious way getting a hate note for parking in a disabled bay recently.

Nor do you.

Exactly. So I assume that if they are registered disabled there is good reason for it, and feel they deserve societal support.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I'm sure that there are plenty out there swinging the lead, not simply Beefheart's terminal cancer sufferers (of whom he still hasn't explained how they'd benefit from an extra £30).

Fine. Why do you need an extra few hundred quid though? Is your argument that you need that, but that a disabled person can lose £30 and it makes no difference to them?

No. I don't believe that I've said that anywhere.

[Prufrock]

The PIP payment is to help them get around. So that payment goes towards: walking sticks, adapting vehicles for the disabled, carers to give them lifts, and any other costs they need to get around. It's quite obviously dearer to get around if you're disabled. Journeys you or I could walk they clearly can't.

So that's what they "need it for".

[Bruce Rioja]

The PIP payment is to help them get around. So that payment goes towards: walking sticks, adapting vehicles for the disabled, carers to give them lifts, and any other costs they need to get around. It's quite obviously dearer to get around if you're disabled. Journeys you or I could walk they clearly can't.

So that's what they "need it for".

So what's Motorbility about then?

[Hoboh]

The PIP payment is to help them get around. So that payment goes towards: walking sticks, adapting vehicles for the disabled, carers to give them lifts, and any other costs they need to get around. It's quite obviously dearer to get around if you're disabled. Journeys you or I could walk they clearly can't.

So that's what they "need it for".

So what's Motorbility about then?

It's funded from your PIP allowance, you give up x amount of payment for scooters, a car etc.

Pru is not quite correct about PIP, it also covers paying for some care needs when full time care is not funded or paid for. Its actually cheaper this way but they never tell you that.

I should add that PIP is not paid to all people at the same rate and the £30 would only be hitting those who have been assessed to be in the most serious disabled category, that's why it sucks.

[thebish]

The sugar tax gives manufacturers two years to sort themselves out. I'm not sure why the disabled, specifically, are worth an extra £30 a week.

If we are going to determine everything by worth then it is an incredibly sad society that we'll be living in.

Isn't that exactly the same judgement that folk are making when they're crying 'boo hoo, the nasty Tories are taking £30 a week off of the disabled'? My ex Mrs had a pal who had a bit of a limp - she was on every benefit going and used to (probably still does) fleece the system for all its worth. You can't just lump the disabled under one heading.

IIRC - you also had a mate who fell badly foul of the govt's disability assessment scheme...

anyway - it may not go through - there may well be a tory rebellion over this... Graeme Ellis, who uses a wheelchair, sabotaged the Conservative Disability Group website after George Osborne gave tax breaks to the rich but cut disability benefits by £30 a week. The site was closed and a statement on the site read: “This website is temporarily closed owing to Disability Cuts”.

Tory backbenchers are muttering about having the numbers to defeat this measure...

[thebish]

The PIP payment is to help them get around. So that payment goes towards: walking sticks, adapting vehicles for the disabled, carers to give them lifts, and any other costs they need to get around. It's quite obviously dearer to get around if you're disabled. Journeys you or I could walk they clearly can't.

So that's what they "need it for".

indeed... and thousands (yes - thousands) of disabled people have already had their disability-adapted vehicles taken off them because of re-assessments... If the Tories' whole intention is to help disabled people back into work (which is what they claim) - then taking their cars off them is a backward step - IMHO!

[Harry Genshaw]

It's an odd move to announce something in the budget and then claim no decisions have been made, it's still undergoing consultation, as happened on QT last night. Does this mean the TTR increasing is also not definitely going ahead?

[Hoboh]

It's an odd move to announce something in the budget and then claim no decisions have been made, it's still undergoing consultation, as happened on QT last night. Does this mean the TTR increasing is also not definitely going ahead?

The Tory's are frightened of their own shadows at the moment, Corbyn is saying little and doing now't yet labour are rising, the EU and the sheer numbers opposed to it, out of control Merkel, they see a disaster looming.

[thebish]

It's an odd move to announce something in the budget and then claim no decisions have been made, it's still undergoing consultation, as happened on QT last night. Does this mean the TTR increasing is also not definitely going ahead?

aye... truth is Osbourne DID decide this - but now they realise that it's a bit unpopular - even amongst their own supporters (with some exceptions - Bruce!) - and so they are pretending it is a matter for consultation, and they will probably kick it into the long grass and quietly bin the idea when they think nobody is looking...

[Bruce Rioja]

IIRC - you also had a mate who fell badly foul of the govt's disability assessment scheme...

You'll have to remind me.

[thebish]

IIRC - you also had a mate who fell badly foul of the govt's disability assessment scheme...

You'll have to remind me.

I may be wrong - but I have a memory of you telling us about it... I'll have a look...

edit:

ahh yes - this is what I remembered..

This is one of those that could've gone into any of several threads, but I'll post it in here (though I expect to be met with 'Neeeergh, you fecking voted for them etc.) A lifelong pal of mine's husband is recovering after a cancer operation, she's just posted this on FB;

(Husband)'s surgeon, his cancer nurse and doctor have said he is still not able to work yet and have given him 3 months off!! HOWEVER ..... The department of work and pensions have decided that it's not the case and so, the £70 odd/wk, which is the ONLY money he has ever claimed in his LIFE is to be stopped!!! This is a man that has worked from the age of 16, payed 40% tax for most of his professional life and has paid his stamp for over 30 years

[Worthy4England]

Looks like the looney front are distancing themselves from this cut now...and IDS "reporting" as resigning...

[KeyserSoze]

IDS gone.

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[thebish]

IDS gone.

resignation letter here https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/stat ... 8386896898" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Blimey! If IDS thinks a benefit cut is not fair - then it's likely not to be fair - he's built his entire reputation on benefit cuts!