The Politics Thread

[Lord Kangana]

Are all British terrorists from Yorkshire?

And why aren't Yorkshiremen standing up and denouncing their fellow Yorkshireman for this?

[Harry Genshaw]

It's wrong on so many levels that. What a prick

[bobo the clown]

It's wrong on so many levels that. What a prick

Not terribly witty and insightful ? A sort of erudite touché to the World ?

I'm sure some people think so.

[Lord Kangana]

Only the intelligent ones though.

[bobo the clown]

Or, rather, people who think they are. The worst sort really.

[Lord Kangana]

I prefer stupid people too.

[Prufrock]

Yep, but instead it seems to have been right wing terrorism.

Indeed .... or a complete fckg loony with no teal alignment .... but yes, his motivations, such as they are, were 180° different to my initial expectation.

To commit this sort of a crime he has to be this.

Loony, yes, but that's tautolgical. Not sure about no real alignment. Someone shouts "alahu akhbar" and they're an Isis terrorist. If they're white and right wing they're a mentally ill lone wolf.

Right wingers love to call a spade a spade. It's terrorism. Right wingers complaining it's being "politicised". He murdered an MP, of course it's f*cking political.

[TANGODANCER]

Loony, yes, but that's tautolgical. Not sure about no real alignment. Someone shouts "alahu akhbar" and they're an Isis terrorist. If they're white and right wing they're a mentally ill lone wolf.

Right wingers love to call a spade a spade. It's terrorism. Right wingers complaining it's being "politicised". He murdered an MP, of course it's f*cking political.

Shouting Alahu Akbar before blowing somebody up (including themselves) or shooting them is no less brainless than what this half-wit did. . You're almost indicating religion is totally to blame for terrorism rather than the fanatic element that misuse it and that the whole world is simple minded enough not to be able to differentiate.. .

[Prufrock]

What the feck are you on about? I've barely mentioned religion other than to point out that when religion is involved were comfortable calling terrorism terrorism. As soon as it's a white guy and politics he's a lone wolf.

Breivik was the same. They're terrorists.

[TANGODANCER]

What the feck are you on about? I've barely mentioned religion other than to point out that when religion is involved were comfortable calling terrorism terrorism. As soon as it's a white guy and politics he's a lone wolf.

Breivik was the same. They're terrorists.

My point, which hardly needed your mouthy, uncivil reply, is just how many people do you actually know, who believe half the shxt that's claimed? Anybody on here brainless enough not to tell the difference between minority bullshxt? How many in your street, amongst your family/friends? Regardless of his crackpot logic, the man is a brainless murderer. Who claims he's a lone wolf or anything else? Could that be the media commerce division at work, you know that Daily Mail lot you love to mention? Did you take a poll to find how many of us are comfortable with any of it? See, amongst most of the folk I know there are very few who don't look at things logically. I 'm quite happy giving them credit for that. Anybody killing someone else for whatever reason is usually a bit addled upstairs whatever their description. A religious terrorist just makes a bit better copy than a non-believing nut-case.

[Hoboh]

What the feck are you on about? I've barely mentioned religion other than to point out that when religion is involved were comfortable calling terrorism terrorism. As soon as it's a white guy and politics he's a lone wolf.

Breivik was the same. They're terrorists.

With mere rumours in the press, claims he shouted something others saying they never heard it.

I'm really surprised someone in your line of work has jumped to the conclusion he was a terrorist.

The bloke committed a heinous crime, absolutely no doubt about it, might well turn out as well as mental problems he had other motives and if he did he should be rightly condemned and put on trial for those as well.

I get a very uncomfortable feeling there are those who secretly hope he was a right wing extremist to further their end.

One cannot be anything but sad for her poor husband and children, I would hate to be in that position.

[Worthy4England]

Mere rumours in the press haven't stopped you posting all sorts over the years. In fact you've been prolific at it.

There may well be people who put him down as a right wing extremist, but don't worry, they'll all be looney lefty tree huggers.

[Bijou Bob]

It would seem the guy who has now been charged has extreme right wing political views and some historic connections. If he committed the crime to further some political end and to instill fear in others, it was an act of terrorism, irrespective of his state of mental health, Shirley?

[TANGODANCER]

I think half the problem is that terrorism has become associated with a mental image of ISIS fanatics shouting Allahu Akbar when it is far more and has been so for eons. Red September, Bader Meinhoff, Red Hand Gang, P.L.O, I.R.A. etc,etc are/were all terrorist organisations. Despite what history may tell us about reasons, there is still something wrong upstairs with people who believe murder will solve anything.

[Bijou Bob]

Yet the PIRA would say that the bomb and the bullet brought us to the negotiating table.

[TANGODANCER]

Yet the PIRA would say that the bomb and the bullet brought us to the negotiating table.

Now there's some classic stable door philosophy for you....

[Prufrock]

[quote="TANGODANCER"]
[quote="Prufrock"]What the feck are you on about? I've barely mentioned religion other than to point out that when religion is involved were comfortable calling terrorism terrorism. As soon as it's a white guy and politics he's a lone wolf.

Breivik was the same. They're terrorists.[/quote]

My point, which hardly needed your mouthy, uncivil reply, is just how many people do you actually know, who believe half the shxt that's claimed? Anybody on here brainless enough not to tell the difference between minority bullshxt? How many in your street, amongst your family/friends? Regardless of his crackpot logic, the man is a brainless murderer. Who claims he's a lone wolf or anything else? Could that be the media commerce division at work, you know that Daily Mail lot you love to mention? Did you take a poll to find how many of us are comfortable with any of it? See, amongst most of the folk I know there are very few who don't look at things logically. I 'm quite happy giving them credit for that. Anybody killing someone else for whatever reason is usually a bit addled upstairs whatever their description. A religious terrorist just makes a bit better copy than a non-believing nut-case. [/quote]

Again, what the flip (better?) are you on about? You say I'm obsessed with religion, this isn't about that and no one other than you is trying to make it so. If anything I'm making the opposite point!

Who claims he's a lone wolf? Well you quoted and emboldened a quote from bobes that said "or a complete fckg point with no real alignment" (well he wrote "teal" but I don't think he was taking about the turquoise terrorists), so you!

Reports with neighbors and family have suggested he suffered from epilepsy but no history of schizophrenia our depression or metal illness. I mean you are risky right that to do something like this you have to be a lunatic of some description, but as I say, that's tautolgical. And things have more than one cause our reason. The younger of Lee Rigby's killers, Adebowale, had serious mental health problems and was diagnosed as borderline schizophrenic. I don't remember once in the aftermath of that horrorshow reading people talk in the same terms as we are now about mental health.

[Prufrock]

Don't know what's happened there with the quotes

[Prufrock]

What the feck are you on about? I've barely mentioned religion other than to point out that when religion is involved were comfortable calling terrorism terrorism. As soon as it's a white guy and politics he's a lone wolf.

Breivik was the same. They're terrorists.

With mere rumours in the press, claims he shouted something others saying they never heard it.

I'm really surprised someone in your line of work has jumped to the conclusion he was a terrorist.

The bloke committed a heinous crime, absolutely no doubt about it, might well turn out as well as mental problems he had other motives and if he did he should be rightly condemned and put on trial for those as well.

I get a very uncomfortable feeling there are those who secretly hope he was a right wing extremist to further their end.

One cannot be anything but sad for her poor husband and children, I would hate to be in that position.

Eye-witness claims to have heard it, stories leaked that there is neo-Nazi stuff at his house, press have got hold of a receipt for some neo nazi books he bought and there is a picture on Twitter of him stood hosting up a Britain First banner.

And this is not politics opportunism this is anger that the chickens Farridge and his lot sent into the world have come home to roost, and it's young MP and her family who have suffered. Alex Massie's Spectator article is back up in full here and is bang in for me: http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/a-day-of-infamy/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Particularly:

"But, still. Look. When you encourage rage you cannot then feign surprise when people become enraged. You cannot turn around and say, ‘Mate, you weren’t supposed to take it so seriously. It’s just a game, just a ploy, a strategy for winning votes.’

When you shout BREAKING POINT over and over again, you don’t get to be surprised when someone breaks. When you present politics as a matter of life and death, as a question of national survival, don’t be surprised if someone takes you at your word. You didn’t make them do it, no, but you didn’t do much to stop it either.

Sometimes rhetoric has consequences. If you spend days, weeks, months, years telling people they are under threat, that their country has been stolen from them, that they have been betrayed and sold down the river, that their birthright has been pilfered, that their problem is they’re too slow to realise any of this is happening, that their problem is they’re not sufficiently mad as hell, then at some point, in some place, something or someone is going to snap. And then something terrible is going to happen."

[Worthy4England]

Apparently he's reported as giving his name as "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain" in his first court appearance. S'pose we'll get told that's just hearsay too.