The Politics Thread

[William the White]

Just to say again, as i have before - any university in this society, increasingly dominated by media, and being transformed by it, that didn't offer degree level courses in media studies would be failing the students and our society.

And - media studies degrees are demanding courses.

That is how it is... but don't let the facts get in the way of the sneers... do carry on with the mythology...

Create a million jobs with ITV or the Sun and you might have a point!

The growth in "Media" is slowing down as rapidly if not more so than other sectors of the economy and it won't be long before the bubble bursts, media in the main is driven by capital from advertising and there is only so much of that to go round the papers, TV, magazines etc. What the hell use is a degree like that outside of a very specific narrow band?
Apprenticeships or something on those lines is really what we are missing, proper training, not the spell your name right tick 50% of the boxes correctly and hey ho your trained!

Degrees are not - in the main - training for specific jobs. I have a degree in History and Philosophy and have never been a historian and certainly never a philosopher. But I've used the skills developed in those three years all my life in a number of professions. Not many media studies students will get jobs directly connected with the media. So what?

The media explosion continues unabated. Look at the form we are using right now...

[Hoboh]

Just to say again, as i have before - any university in this society, increasingly dominated by media, and being transformed by it, that didn't offer degree level courses in media studies would be failing the students and our society.

And - media studies degrees are demanding courses.

That is how it is... but don't let the facts get in the way of the sneers... do carry on with the mythology...

Create a million jobs with ITV or the Sun and you might have a point!

The growth in "Media" is slowing down as rapidly if not more so than other sectors of the economy and it won't be long before the bubble bursts, media in the main is driven by capital from advertising and there is only so much of that to go round the papers, TV, magazines etc. What the hell use is a degree like that outside of a very specific narrow band?
Apprenticeships or something on those lines is really what we are missing, proper training, not the spell your name right tick 50% of the boxes correctly and hey ho your trained!

Degrees are not - in the main - training for specific jobs. I have a degree in History and Philosophy and have never been a historian and certainly never a philosopher. But I've used the skills developed in those three years all my life in a number of professions. Not many media studies students will get jobs directly connected with the media. So what?

The media explosion continues unabated. Look at the form we are using right now...

I doubt you will see thousands of undergraduates turning up with employment at Microsoft soon.

[bobo the clown]

If you've got a degree, any degree, even one in Media Studies (everyone mentions this one, but it's not alone in the pointless stakes), then you can spend ONE year studying to be a teacher.......

Now, I know someone who's doing this, they're thick as s***e and only took the course after getting a real job and realising that their degree is worth sod all.

So, your kids will soon be taught by many of the graduates you mock

You think teaching isn't a real job ?????????????????????

Nail .... Head, Bill.

Constant complaints about doing the job they chose to do, which requires about 30 hours a week for about 30 weeks a year looking after 20 to 30 kids. If those kids are hard work look to their parents .... teachers should try managing 800+ of those b'stards, not their offspring. THEN they'd know what stress is.

[Puskas]

If you've got a degree, any degree, even one in Media Studies (everyone mentions this one, but it's not alone in the pointless stakes), then you can spend ONE year studying to be a teacher.......

Now, I know someone who's doing this, they're thick as s***e and only took the course after getting a real job and realising that their degree is worth sod all.

So, your kids will soon be taught by many of the graduates you mock

You think teaching isn't a real job ?????????????????????

Nail .... Head, Bill.

Constant complaints about doing the job they chose to do, which requires about 30 hours a week for about 30 weeks a year looking after 20 to 30 kids. If those kids are hard work look to their parents .... teachers should try managing 800+ of those b'stards, not their offspring. THEN they'd know what stress is.

So why not quit and become a teacher? I know you're not the brightest, Bobo, but even you should surely see that if it's so easy, and your job is so very, very hard on poor ickle you, you're doing the wrong thing....

Nah. Easier to whine on like a maggot on an internet message board, eh?

[bobo the clown]

If you've got a degree, any degree, even one in Media Studies (everyone mentions this one, but it's not alone in the pointless stakes), then you can spend ONE year studying to be a teacher.......

Now, I know someone who's doing this, they're thick as s***e and only took the course after getting a real job and realising that their degree is worth sod all.

So, your kids will soon be taught by many of the graduates you mock

You think teaching isn't a real job ?????????????????????

Nail .... Head, Bill.

Constant complaints about doing the job they chose to do, which requires about 30 hours a week for about 30 weeks a year looking after 20 to 30 kids. If those kids are hard work look to their parents .... teachers should try managing 800+ of those b'stards, not their offspring. THEN they'd know what stress is.

So why not quit and become a teacher? I know you're not the brightest, Bobo, but even you should surely see that if it's so easy, and your job is so very, very hard on poor ickle you, you're doing the wrong thing....

Nah. Easier to whine on like a maggot on an internet message board, eh?

Because I don't want an easy job, for one thing ... & for another I couldn't stand the company in the staff room.

[Verbal]

Just to say again, as i have before - any university in this society, increasingly dominated by media, and being transformed by it, that didn't offer degree level courses in media studies would be failing the students and our society.

And - media studies degrees are demanding courses.

That is how it is... but don't let the facts get in the way of the sneers... do carry on with the mythology...

Create a million jobs with ITV or the Sun and you might have a point!

The growth in "Media" is slowing down as rapidly if not more so than other sectors of the economy and it won't be long before the bubble bursts, media in the main is driven by capital from advertising and there is only so much of that to go round the papers, TV, magazines etc. What the hell use is a degree like that outside of a very specific narrow band?
!

Narrow band? It's probably the most expanding scholarly field in existence. Every day hundreds of websites are created, information transferred and tweets tweeted, all across a medium which is unique for two reasons; one, it's size is endless, and two, for as long as it exists and its users are active, it will never be out of date. Not even to the minute.

The Internet offers so much in terms of information generating and sharing that it offers almost as many questions as it does answers. Should companies be allowed to 'buy' our purchasing history? At what point do the words typed become public instead of private property? How does it effect real world events?

It's a f*cking huge topic, still in its infancy and ever expanding. It bloody well needs to be studied.

[as]

If you've got a degree, any degree, even one in Media Studies (everyone mentions this one, but it's not alone in the pointless stakes), then you can spend ONE year studying to be a teacher.......

Now, I know someone who's doing this, they're thick as s***e and only took the course after getting a real job and realising that their degree is worth sod all.

So, your kids will soon be taught by many of the graduates you mock

You think teaching isn't a real job?????????????????????

I didn't say that.

He had a job with the council originally (some of the stories about Bolton council literally throwing money away were an eye-opener), then decided to do the one year teaching course.

I do know a few teachers, must be hard having all those holidays

[as]

Just to say again, as i have before - any university in this society, increasingly dominated by media, and being transformed by it, that didn't offer degree level courses in media studies would be failing the students and our society.

And - media studies degrees are demanding courses.

That is how it is... but don't let the facts get in the way of the sneers... do carry on with the mythology...

Create a million jobs with ITV or the Sun and you might have a point!

The growth in "Media" is slowing down as rapidly if not more so than other sectors of the economy and it won't be long before the bubble bursts, media in the main is driven by capital from advertising and there is only so much of that to go round the papers, TV, magazines etc. What the hell use is a degree like that outside of a very specific narrow band?
Apprenticeships or something on those lines is really what we are missing, proper training, not the spell your name right tick 50% of the boxes correctly and hey ho your trained!

Degrees are not - in the main - training for specific jobs. I have a degree in History and Philosophy and have never been a historian and certainly never a philosopher. But I've used the skills developed in those three years all my life in a number of professions. Not many media studies students will get jobs directly connected with the media. So what?

The media explosion continues unabated. Look at the form we are using right now...

Degree's mean NOTHING anymore, there are so many students doing so many courses now, that they're practically A-levels. I'm sure once-upon-a-time they were something employers looked for, but not anymore.

We've got a fleet of graduates working in the call centre downstairs, all passed with flying colours and all have heads filled with sawdust, now they're earning less than people who left school and decided to get a job.

Media Studies are demanding courses???? Pull the other one, it's a course you take to avoid working the old 9-5 for a few years.

[superjohnmcginlay]

Talking of teachers did anyone watch that Dispatches last night? Slightly disturbing.

[BWFC_Insane]

Just to say again, as i have before - any university in this society, increasingly dominated by media, and being transformed by it, that didn't offer degree level courses in media studies would be failing the students and our society.

And - media studies degrees are demanding courses.

That is how it is... but don't let the facts get in the way of the sneers... do carry on with the mythology...

Create a million jobs with ITV or the Sun and you might have a point!

The growth in "Media" is slowing down as rapidly if not more so than other sectors of the economy and it won't be long before the bubble bursts, media in the main is driven by capital from advertising and there is only so much of that to go round the papers, TV, magazines etc. What the hell use is a degree like that outside of a very specific narrow band?
Apprenticeships or something on those lines is really what we are missing, proper training, not the spell your name right tick 50% of the boxes correctly and hey ho your trained!

In what?

[William the White]

Media Studies are demanding courses???? Pull the other one, it's a course you take to avoid working the old 9-5 for a few years.

Any evidence for this splurge of prejudice?

[Hoboh]

Just to say again, as i have before - any university in this society, increasingly dominated by media, and being transformed by it, that didn't offer degree level courses in media studies would be failing the students and our society.

And - media studies degrees are demanding courses.

That is how it is... but don't let the facts get in the way of the sneers... do carry on with the mythology...

Create a million jobs with ITV or the Sun and you might have a point!

The growth in "Media" is slowing down as rapidly if not more so than other sectors of the economy and it won't be long before the bubble bursts, media in the main is driven by capital from advertising and there is only so much of that to go round the papers, TV, magazines etc. What the hell use is a degree like that outside of a very specific narrow band?
Apprenticeships or something on those lines is really what we are missing, proper training, not the spell your name right tick 50% of the boxes correctly and hey ho your trained!

In what?

You could start with mechanics for one and stop this horrible breed of "fitters" who unbolt one part and bolt a new one on and wouldn't know a dipstick if it hit them round the head!
And prey tell me how you can qualify as a gasman by a 2 week course? enough to be trusted to repair the most dangerous thing in most folks household, the same applys to welders etc etc, its just duming down the quality of job.

[Hoboh]

On another point.

With a Son in law and a sister who are both teachers it seems quite a large portion of their work is tied up with "social issues" not actually teaching!
It seems kids don't go to school to learn just be monitered for "social issues", signs of abuse and be made to feel that its not their fault they cannot be arsed learning anything for their future, its all the fault of those nasty big capitalist companies who just want to make money.

[Raven]

And prey tell me how you can qualify as a gasman by a 2 week course? enough to be trusted to repair the most dangerous thing in most folks household, the same applys to welders etc etc, its just duming down the quality of job.

One of the main reasons my dad retired, sick of having to do the Corgi Reg nonsense, having a smart alec inspecting his work who clearly knew less about gas central heating than my dad. Corgi registering was a con anyway and just opened up the market to big business' and let them charge what they like and put the small independants out of business! At one time it was the company that was Corgi registered not the actual fitters.

[BWFC_Insane]

Just to say again, as i have before - any university in this society, increasingly dominated by media, and being transformed by it, that didn't offer degree level courses in media studies would be failing the students and our society.

And - media studies degrees are demanding courses.

That is how it is... but don't let the facts get in the way of the sneers... do carry on with the mythology...

Create a million jobs with ITV or the Sun and you might have a point!

The growth in "Media" is slowing down as rapidly if not more so than other sectors of the economy and it won't be long before the bubble bursts, media in the main is driven by capital from advertising and there is only so much of that to go round the papers, TV, magazines etc. What the hell use is a degree like that outside of a very specific narrow band?
Apprenticeships or something on those lines is really what we are missing, proper training, not the spell your name right tick 50% of the boxes correctly and hey ho your trained!

In what?

You could start with mechanics for one and stop this horrible breed of "fitters" who unbolt one part and bolt a new one on and wouldn't know a dipstick if it hit them round the head!
And prey tell me how you can qualify as a gasman by a 2 week course? enough to be trusted to repair the most dangerous thing in most folks household, the same applys to welders etc etc, its just duming down the quality of job.

There are apprenticeships for mechanics already!

[as]

Media Studies are demanding courses???? Pull the other one, it's a course you take to avoid working the old 9-5 for a few years.

Any evidence for this splurge of prejudice?

I'm guessing you're either related to or know someone doing this course.

I've met a total of three people who completed and passed it, and all confirmed it's a cop-out course, so my info is straight from the horses mouth (well, one of them was fit anyway).

You could argue, but you'd be wrong.

Prejudice?

[William the White]

Media Studies are demanding courses???? Pull the other one, it's a course you take to avoid working the old 9-5 for a few years.

Any evidence for this splurge of prejudice?

I'm guessing you're either related to or know someone doing this course.

I've met a total of three people who completed and passed it, and all confirmed it's a cop-out course, so my info is straight from the horses mouth (well, one of them was fit anyway).

You could argue, but you'd be wrong.

Prejudice?

Nope, not related to or know anyone personally doing a media studies course.

Do know several people who devise, teach, and write in the field.

I don't (in any direct sense) - though I teach some writing courses within film, tv and radio from time to time.

I could argue. Thanks for permission.

I'm right. These are demanding courses. And it's important, imho, to investigate such a significant cultural field.

Every innovative subject is treated with suspicion and hostility, pretty much. Usually by people who know feck all about the subject and can't be arsed finding out.

[Puskas]

If you've got a degree, any degree, even one in Media Studies (everyone mentions this one, but it's not alone in the pointless stakes), then you can spend ONE year studying to be a teacher.......

Now, I know someone who's doing this, they're thick as s***e and only took the course after getting a real job and realising that their degree is worth sod all.

So, your kids will soon be taught by many of the graduates you mock

You think teaching isn't a real job ?????????????????????

Nail .... Head, Bill.

Constant complaints about doing the job they chose to do, which requires about 30 hours a week for about 30 weeks a year looking after 20 to 30 kids. If those kids are hard work look to their parents .... teachers should try managing 800+ of those b'stards, not their offspring. THEN they'd know what stress is.

So why not quit and become a teacher? I know you're not the brightest, Bobo, but even you should surely see that if it's so easy, and your job is so very, very hard on poor ickle you, you're doing the wrong thing....

Nah. Easier to whine on like a maggot on an internet message board, eh?

Because I don't want an easy job, for one thing ... & for another I couldn't stand the company in the staff room.

Surely what you mean to say is that you couldn't hack it in the classroom - you'd be off sick with stress within a month - and so took the easier option of private sector management, where you have to do about an hour or two each week telling others what to do, before retiring to the golf course or lap-dancing club, where you can whine in merry ignorance about how others have an easier life than you.

Isn't that a tad more accurate?

[William the White]

Puskas be fair - it isn't easy being a clown... Having to live with people laughing at you, day after day.

[KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab]

If you've got a degree, any degree, even one in Media Studies (everyone mentions this one, but it's not alone in the pointless stakes), then you can spend ONE year studying to be a teacher.......

Now, I know someone who's doing this, they're thick as s***e and only took the course after getting a real job and realising that their degree is worth sod all.

So, your kids will soon be taught by many of the graduates you mock

You think teaching isn't a real job ?????????????????????

Nail .... Head, Bill.

Constant complaints about doing the job they chose to do, which requires about 30 hours a week for about 30 weeks a year looking after 20 to 30 kids. If those kids are hard work look to their parents .... teachers should try managing 800+ of those b'stards, not their offspring. THEN they'd know what stress is.

As someone employed as a teacher, I'll agree that it's an easy job. Then again, I'm only specialist staff in a primary school, which means I don't have to constantly deal with parents coming in demanding to know why their child was told off for being a nightmare throughout the day, and what are teachers going to do about it, and why they haven't become Oxford material at the age of six, and how the school is failing them because the children never came to school with the required toilet training for their age, and when they're going to teach children about diet rather than just sending notes home in lunchboxes telling parents that two Jaffa Cakes and a packet of crisps does not constitute lunch, or about how it's the school's fault that they haven't got a ball pool, and that's the reason their child has been kicking nine sahdes out of other children at the age of four.

Teaching is an easy job, as long as parents do their jobs properly. And, as more and more parents nowadays think it's the role of teachers to do the job of parents nowadays, it's getting harder.

But yeah, the holidays are ace. I'm a cop-out, but a cop out with enough time on my hands to be a company director and semi-professional football coach too. I apologise for that.