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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by Jugs » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:36 am

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mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote: That's exciting really - I wonder what other early colour photographs we have of 'lost' masterpieces.
I'm amazed that you should need to ask...
this for instance (Klimt's Medicine)

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Never seen it in color before. How about his Philosophy?

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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:43 am

I've only ever see black and white photos of Philosophie. I've no idea whether it was ever photographed in colour.
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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by mummywhycantieatcrayons » Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:55 am

What do we think - bit of a botched job?

http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/news-an ... it-gallery" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm interested to see her, Leonardo style, emerging from a solid dark background.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_with_an_Ermine" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But those Renaissance portraits did then spotlight the figure and make them much brighter. I'm not sure the gloom does the Duchess any favours.

Actually, painting Kate grappling with ermine might have been a witty royal reference...
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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by thebish » Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:58 am

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:What do we think - bit of a botched job?

http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/news-an ... it-gallery" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm interested to see her, Leonardo style, emerging from a solid dark background.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_with_an_Ermine" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But those Renaissance portraits did then spotlight the figure and make them much brighter. I'm not sure the gloom does the Duchess any favours.

Actually, painting Kate grappling with ermine might have been a witty royal reference...

blimey - it makes her look 40-odd at least.... is she ready for this???

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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:13 am

Lost Leopard Spot wrote:I've only ever see black and white photos of Philosophie. I've no idea whether it was ever photographed in colour.
Doing a bit more digging into this, and it would seem that there is at least a half-tone photo...

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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by thebish » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:14 am

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:https://www.artfinder.com/story/gustave ... kers-1849/

Today's Artfinder image of the day. I doubt we'll have a Mondrianesque row over it. Make of that what you will.
if you could select an artist much further away from Mondrian - it's be Courbet!! in-yer-face realist and bugger all the arty-farty romanticism and poncy classical references... I like it - though the impact of painting real life on today's eyes is perhaps not as shocking as it was back then..

the subject matter and intention (though they are not realist painters like him) reminds me of Picasso's potato pickers and Van Gogh's potato eaters...


I suspect Courbet's "origin of the World" would still make some spit out their tea....

(NSFW - even though it is a painting - to a casual office passerby it might look like a photo...)

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m41if ... o1_500.jpg
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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by mummywhycantieatcrayons » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:16 am

Perhaps Lucian Freud wasn't so groundbreaking, after all:

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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:17 am

thebish wrote:
mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:https://www.artfinder.com/story/gustave ... kers-1849/

Today's Artfinder image of the day. I doubt we'll have a Mondrianesque row over it. Make of that what you will.
if you could select an artist much further away from Mondrian - it's be Courbet!! in-yer-face realist and bugger all the arty-farty romanticism and poncy classical references... I like it - though the impact of painting real life on today's eyes is perhaps not as shocking as it was back then..

I suspect his "origin of the World" would still make some spit out their tea....

(NSFW - even though it is a painting - to a casual office passerby it might look like a photo...)

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m41if ... o1_500.jpg
Duly 'spat out tea'!
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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by thebish » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:18 am

I've alwasy been repulsed by Lucien Freud's work... hideous!!

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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by Jugs » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:24 am

Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
Lost Leopard Spot wrote:I've only ever see black and white photos of Philosophie. I've no idea whether it was ever photographed in colour.
Doing a bit more digging into this, and it would seem that there is at least a half-tone photo...

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Nice one. It's a fantastic painting.

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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by Jugs » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:24 am

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:Perhaps Lucian Freud wasn't so groundbreaking, after all:

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Perhaps not by painting an explicit nude - but by painting so many of them!

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Post by thebish » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:27 am

y'see - I get that Freud was a warts 'n all painter... but that foot looks gangrenous at best!!

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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by CrazyHorse » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:30 am

WTF is up with her face?
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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by mummywhycantieatcrayons » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:33 am

CrazyHorse wrote:WTF is up with her face?
I'm guessing she is supposed to be flushed after the activity that has just taken place...
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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by CrazyHorse » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:45 am

Ah, I see.
I guess that activity must've involved someone throwing scalding water on her face. Kinky.
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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by thebish » Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:21 pm

CrazyHorse wrote:Ah, I see.
I guess that activity must've involved someone throwing scalding water on her face. Kinky.
I think also turmeric, paprika and saffron powder must have been involved somehow...

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Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:23 pm

I think this woman took part in a similar but different activity, mainly to do with gags and oxygen deprivation...

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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by TANGODANCER » Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:42 pm

[quote="thebishif you could select an artist much further away from Mondrian - it's be Courbet!! in-yer-face realist and bugger all the arty-farty romanticism and poncy classical references... I like it - though the impact of painting real life on today's eyes is perhaps not as shocking as it was back then..

the subject matter and intention (though they are not realist painters like him) reminds me of Picasso's potato pickers and Van Gogh's potato eaters...[/quote]

I once owned prints of Millet's "The Gleaners" and "Angelus" given to me by an old chap who thought they were paintings. Both represented the working classes and were actually pretty common in people's living rooms way back (along with Landseer's "Monarch of the Glenn" and Yeames's "When did you last see your father?" )
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Post by TANGODANCER » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:30 pm

Just a point of interest, the Le Nain brothers were depicting the poorer classes way back in the 1640's. Two examples:

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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:52 pm

I'm ver ver ver very disappointed... I throw in a Tretchikoff ( :fishing: ) and get nothing back in return. Some 'Great Art' debate this has turned out to be! :wink:
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