The Politics Thread

[Hoboh]

You of course were there and heard the whole thing didn't you?

Trump is dislikeable, your types are fcuking dangerous.

So not wanting division. Not wanting abuse. Not wanting women talked of (or bragged of) being sexually assaulted. Not wanting to mock the disabled. Not wanting to isolate people against each other. Not wanting hatred to rule.

That is what makes people dangerous? Good to know.

Oh do behave, stop trying to make out I approve of everything the idiot says, I don't I have already stated I'm not keen on him as a bloke by the same score I'm far from impressed with half the nutters railing against him as well.

[Hoboh]

Trump (and Corbyn) doesn't say what he "thinks", he says what he feels. Apparently this is something to be admired.

I'd much rather have somebody who is considered and has come to a properly-formed opinion on issues that are almost always difficult, rather than a bar-room-reckon.

Yes, it's annoying when politicians don't answer straight questions, but anyone who not only expected, but wanted Theresa May to suddenly start discussing national security over a croissant with Andrew Marr on BBC1 wants to give their head a shake.

You are having a laugh, do you not think for one minute that a misfiring launch was not noted by the people who might just be on the receiving end one day?
National security my ass, embarrassment and cover up more like.
Takes longer to find out when the calm and measured sorts are lying and the lies are usually worse.

Why was the unarmed Trident fired?

It was supposed to test its capability.

This was the UK’s 11th test since 1994 with the other 10 were all successfully completed. The UK carries out fewer tests than the US on grounds of cost; each missile costs £17m. But the US, which has conducted an estimated 150 successful tests, shares data from its tests with the UK.
The test-firing was intended to mark the return to duty of HMS Vengeance after a four-year refit. In spite of the malfunction, the submarine received the certification saying it was fully operational the same month, enabling it to return to service. The Ministry of Defence has cited this as evidence that the malfunction was not significant.
Russian satellites would have almost certainly picked up the failed missile test. Russian spy ships normally monitor such tests and the US and UK navies treat their presence as part of the show. After the 2012 missile launch, the UK received a message from one of two Russian spy ships in the vicinity congratulating them on a successful launch.

[Harry Genshaw]

According to the MoD it was a successful operation as the crew and ship returned to operations. In the same way the charge of the light brigade was a success in that all the horses were groomed and the bugles in tune.

Anyway. We don't discuss matters of national security. And we definitely don't discuss them when there's a vote in the house of commons that's just committed 3 generations of austerity to pay for another white elephant. Still, we can always blame Brexit or something

[malcd1]

Trump (and Corbyn) doesn't say what he "thinks", he says what he feels. Apparently this is something to be admired.

I'd much rather have somebody who is considered and has come to a properly-formed opinion on issues that are almost always difficult, rather than a bar-room-reckon.

Yes, it's annoying when politicians don't answer straight questions, but anyone who not only expected, but wanted Theresa May to suddenly start discussing national security over a croissant with Andrew Marr on BBC1 wants to give their head a shake.

You are having a laugh, do you not think for one minute that a misfiring launch was not noted by the people who might just be on the receiving end one day?
National security my ass, embarrassment and cover up more like.
Takes longer to find out when the calm and measured sorts are lying and the lies are usually worse.

Why was the unarmed Trident fired?

It was supposed to test its capability.

This was the UK’s 11th test since 1994 with the other 10 were all successfully completed. The UK carries out fewer tests than the US on grounds of cost; each missile costs £17m. But the US, which has conducted an estimated 150 successful tests, shares data from its tests with the UK.
The test-firing was intended to mark the return to duty of HMS Vengeance after a four-year refit. In spite of the malfunction, the submarine received the certification saying it was fully operational the same month, enabling it to return to service. The Ministry of Defence has cited this as evidence that the malfunction was not significant.
Russian satellites would have almost certainly picked up the failed missile test. Russian spy ships normally monitor such tests and the US and UK navies treat their presence as part of the show. After the 2012 missile launch, the UK received a message from one of two Russian spy ships in the vicinity congratulating them on a successful launch.

In other words to test if it worked or if there were any problems. Better to find out during testing than when we need them.

Although not a successful test, it highlighted issues. Resolve it and move on. That is why testing is carried out.

[malcd1]

Not talking directly to you Hoboh. I don't want you fixing trident for us.

[Worthy4England]

Not talking directly to you Hoboh. I don't want you fixing trident for us.

[Hoboh]

Not talking directly to you Hoboh. I don't want you fixing trident for us.

Excuse me whilst I pick myself up off the floor from laughing!

If it was up to me we wouldn't be spending all that money on it.

[Hoboh]

I got money so

You'll do it my way.

[Bruce Rioja]

Article 50 has to go through Parliament. I reckon Hoboh will be keeping schtum on this one then.

[Hoboh]

Article 50 has to go through Parliament. I reckon Hoboh will be keeping schtum on this one then.

It'll go through, at least the remoaners cannot scream they haven't had their say so I presume they will finally belt up!

[Worthy4England]

Article 50 has to go through Parliament. I reckon Hoboh will be keeping schtum on this one then.

It'll go through, at least the remoaners cannot scream they haven't had their say so I presume they will finally belt up!

When we've changed it a little....

[Prufrock]

Presumably Hoboh and the his fellow Little Englanders will be composing considered posts for the DM website criticising the govt. for its pointless waste of money fighting what was clearly a losing case? They're normally at the front of that queue and so their intellectual rigour will demand consistency?

At least we can get on with it now. Hopefully (LOL) the Labour Party can get its shit together and make sure the process is properly accountable and keep Theresa May from wandering off deciding the vote was a mandate for whatever the focus-groups are telling her is this week's buzzword.

Would be nice to see a little maturity from the Lib Dems too but looks like shameless opportunism will win the day.

And I hope the Lords don't do anything stupid. It's 100% right that the Commons should play a role in the exit negotiations, and it's 100% right that the Lords should play its role with amendments and oversights. I worry that some peers will try to hold a rebellion against leaving on principle. For once I don't think that would be hyperbole to talk about "subverting the will of the people".

As an aside, Keir Starmer has been spot on re: the tone IMO, and just to add to his appeal, spoke the other evening without once using the awful "Br" word. "Leaving the EU" indeed.

[BWFC_Insane]

Presumably Hoboh and the his fellow Little Englanders will be composing considered posts for the DM website criticising the govt. for its pointless waste of money fighting what was clearly a losing case? They're normally at the front of that queue and so their intellectual rigour will demand consistency?

At least we can get on with it now. Hopefully (LOL) the Labour Party can get its shit together and make sure the process is properly accountable and keep Theresa May from wandering off deciding the vote was a mandate for whatever the focus-groups are telling her is this week's buzzword.

Would be nice to see a little maturity from the Lib Dems too but looks like shameless opportunism will win the day.

And I hope the Lords don't do anything stupid. It's 100% right that the Commons should play a role in the exit negotiations, and it's 100% right that the Lords should play its role with amendments and oversights. I worry that some peers will try to hold a rebellion against leaving on principle. For once I don't think that would be hyperbole to talk about "subverting the will of the people".

As an aside, Keir Starmer has been spot on re: the tone IMO, and just to add to his appeal, spoke the other evening without once using the awful "Br" word. "Leaving the EU" indeed.

I really pray and hope the bill is entitled "Brexit means Brexit"

[Hoboh]

Presumably Hoboh and the his fellow Little Englanders will be composing considered posts for the DM website criticising the govt. for its pointless waste of money fighting what was clearly a losing case? They're normally at the front of that queue and so their intellectual rigour will demand consistency?

At least we can get on with it now. Hopefully (LOL) the Labour Party can get its shit together and make sure the process is properly accountable and keep Theresa May from wandering off deciding the vote was a mandate for whatever the focus-groups are telling her is this week's buzzword.

Would be nice to see a little maturity from the Lib Dems too but looks like shameless opportunism will win the day.

And I hope the Lords don't do anything stupid. It's 100% right that the Commons should play a role in the exit negotiations, and it's 100% right that the Lords should play its role with amendments and oversights. I worry that some peers will try to hold a rebellion against leaving on principle. For once I don't think that would be hyperbole to talk about "subverting the will of the people".

As an aside, Keir Starmer has been spot on re: the tone IMO, and just to add to his appeal, spoke the other evening without once using the awful "Br" word. "Leaving the EU" indeed.

I never, ever, post on the mail

[BWFC_Insane]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37861888" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A decent read. Explaining why the case was launched from the founder of the campaign. Be good if people like the Daily Mail read and understood it, rather than just printing entirely the wrong headlines. This case was about preserving democracy, not stripping it away.

[Hoboh]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37861888

A decent read. Explaining why the case was launched from the founder of the campaign. Be good if people like the Daily Mail read and understood it, rather than just printing entirely the wrong headlines. This case was about preserving democracy, not stripping it away.

Not looking for yet another argument but really?

I thought the case was brought by a woman who claimed to be physically sick over the vote to leave and to hinder or halt the decision, funny how now it was to protect democracy.

[Worthy4England]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37861888

A decent read. Explaining why the case was launched from the founder of the campaign. Be good if people like the Daily Mail read and understood it, rather than just printing entirely the wrong headlines. This case was about preserving democracy, not stripping it away.

Not looking for yet another argument but really?

I thought the case was brought by a woman who claimed to be physically sick over the vote to leave and to hinder or halt the decision, funny how now it was to protect democracy.

Do you have any quotes to support that - genuine question - I've not seen any...

[Hoboh]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37861888

A decent read. Explaining why the case was launched from the founder of the campaign. Be good if people like the Daily Mail read and understood it, rather than just printing entirely the wrong headlines. This case was about preserving democracy, not stripping it away.

Not looking for yet another argument but really?

I thought the case was brought by a woman who claimed to be physically sick over the vote to leave and to hinder or halt the decision, funny how now it was to protect democracy.

Do you have any quotes to support that - genuine question - I've not seen any...

http://firstwomen.co.uk/2016/11/03/gina ... ourt-case/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Following the referendum results on 23 June, Miller said she felt physically “sick” and thought: “I don’t think people know the ramifications of this, of what’s happened, and I felt really sorry that people had been tricked and fooled”.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/one-w ... -sm530ksft" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

On the night of the EU referendum Gina Miller slept for 36 minutes. “I know, because my husband gave me this watch that tracks my sleep,” she says, waving a slim wrist bearing an elegant Withings watch. Her husband and business partner, Alan Miller, went to sleep, but she sat in bed beside him in their south London home watching television.
At 4am she was “physically sick” as she tried to take in what the UK had voted for. By breakfast, however, Ms Miller’s brain was clunking into gear. When her 11-year-old son heard the news, he said: “But you’re going to do something, Mummy, you always do.”
“And I said, ‘I’m not promising anything, but I will talk to…

And with that I think I'll keep out of politics for a while, don't want to rile everyone up

[Worthy4England]

Poor love. She should sue for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Just on the off chance that she does and wins. I'd like to place on record that I felt physically sick too.

[Dr Hotdog]

She is the motherclocking SNOWFLAKE No.1 right?