Brexit or Britin

[Worthy4England]

Well be delighted with all the benefits when they arrive.

The prospect of having to wash my own car is sitting heavily with me.

Fear not, all those folks who couldn't get a job because of all the immigrants, will undoubtedly fill the void.

Edit: Anyhow stop changing the subject, I'm trying to land the pint from Bob's poll on the other thread - and let's be honest, that's a bigger task than trying to convince a country to leave or remain in the EU, as you well know.

[Bijou Bob]

2pm Barnstormers, first day of the new season, your pint will be on the bar. And yes, you can even have one of them fancy real ale pints at 4 quid a pop (8 euros by then perhaps).

[Worthy4England]

2pm Barnstormers, first day of the new season, your pint will be on the bar. And yes, you can even have one of them fancy real ale pints at 4 quid a pop (8 euros by then perhaps).

[BWFC_Insane]

Labour need to get rid of Corbyn now and get their act together. The trouble is that their best hope Burnham was rejected. So no idea where they look now. It is a mess and the Tories under Boris/Theresa/any other nutter are a shoe-in when even a remotely capable Labour party should be absolutely licking their lips and getting ready to take the hotseat.

[Hoboh]

Good morning, just going to finish off the last bottle of Theakston then toddle off to bed.

What a night, at least London might realise the UK border is not the M25.

Quite suprised the way Wales voted, not at all the way Scotland did.

I was hppy to be given a vote on the EU issue, delighted the way it went, now everyone has to get behind getting the best deal for the UK.

I don't expect any Scottish movement for another Indyref untill they sense which way the wind blows with out negotitions, only a maniac would do anything otherwise (which is why Salmond quickly started banging on about it).

[Worthy4England]

Good morning, just going to finish off the last bottle of Theakston then toddle off to bed.

What a night, at least London might realise the UK border is not the M25.

Quite suprised the way Wales voted, not at all the way Scotland did.

I was hppy to be given a vote on the EU issue, delighted the way it went, now everyone has to get behind getting the best deal for the UK.

I don't expect any Scottish movement for another Indyref untill they sense which way the wind blows with out negotitions, only a maniac would do anything otherwise (which is why Salmond quickly started banging on about it).

I think you've probably earned that beer Hobes.

[Hoboh]

Good morning, just going to finish off the last bottle of Theakston then toddle off to bed.

What a night, at least London might realise the UK border is not the M25.

Quite suprised the way Wales voted, not at all the way Scotland did.

I was hppy to be given a vote on the EU issue, delighted the way it went, now everyone has to get behind getting the best deal for the UK.

I don't expect any Scottish movement for another Indyref untill they sense which way the wind blows with out negotitions, only a maniac would do anything otherwise (which is why Salmond quickly started banging on about it).

I think you've probably earned that beer Hobes.

Thanks

[Worthy4England]

I think "cut n paste" will believe it's broke though...

[Hoboh]

I think "cut n paste" will believe it's broke though...

Funily enough it stopped working this morning, I blame the bloody French

[BWFC_Insane]

Leave voter on BBC: "I'm shocked & worried. I voted Leave but didn't think my vote would count - I never thought it would actually happen."

[BWFC_Insane]

Apparently a number of Labour MP's have signed a letter asking Corbyn to go.

Better entertainment than Game of Thrones is this.

[thebish]

Labour need to get rid of Corbyn now and get their act together. The trouble is that their best hope Burnham was rejected. So no idea where they look now. It is a mess and the Tories under Boris/Theresa/any other nutter are a shoe-in when even a remotely capable Labour party should be absolutely licking their lips and getting ready to take the hotseat.

burnham - best hope??? nahhh - not having that, he's a bumbling idiot and badly tainted by the milliband years!

my guess (as it was some time ago) is that someone will persuade keir starmer to have a pop and it'll all be reet....

[BWFC_Insane]

Labour need to get rid of Corbyn now and get their act together. The trouble is that their best hope Burnham was rejected. So no idea where they look now. It is a mess and the Tories under Boris/Theresa/any other nutter are a shoe-in when even a remotely capable Labour party should be absolutely licking their lips and getting ready to take the hotseat.

burnham - best hope??? nahhh - not having that, he's a bumbling idiot and badly tainted by the milliband years!

my guess (as it was some time ago) is that someone will persuade keir starmer to have a pop and it'll all be reet....

They desperately need someone who can connect with the disaffected Midlands and North whilst also winning back the crucial middle England areas in the South. Somebody who people will actually connect with and not just see as yet another well educated career politician. Not sure Starmer fits that bill.

But then basically anyone but Corbyn would do right now.

[thebish]

Labour need to get rid of Corbyn now and get their act together. The trouble is that their best hope Burnham was rejected. So no idea where they look now. It is a mess and the Tories under Boris/Theresa/any other nutter are a shoe-in when even a remotely capable Labour party should be absolutely licking their lips and getting ready to take the hotseat.

burnham - best hope??? nahhh - not having that, he's a bumbling idiot and badly tainted by the milliband years!

my guess (as it was some time ago) is that someone will persuade keir starmer to have a pop and it'll all be reet....

They desperately need someone who can connect with the disaffected Midlands and North whilst also winning back the crucial middle England areas in the South. Somebody who people will actually connect with and not just see as yet another well educated career politician. Not sure Starmer fits that bill.

But then basically anyone but Corbyn would do right now.

Owen Coyle?

[boltonboris]

still more than happy to be part of a reformed EU- Let's hope that Juncker was just posturing and that there ARE negotiations to be had.

EEA Membership is not out of the question either, but at what cost to the Leave Campaign

[BWFC_Insane]

still more than happy to be part of a reformed EU- Let's hope that Juncker was just posturing and that there ARE negotiations to be had.

EEA Membership is not out of the question either, but at what cost to the Leave Campaign

Don't think EU membership is an option now.

EEA? Well, that doesn't look likely seeing as the Tories are likely to move to the right, and the whole drive for leave has predominantly been around immigration, something that EEA membership won't fix. I don't see Gove/Boris or even May ignoring that as they pull out of the EU.

Like Worthy says, decision has been made. Lets pull out quickly, after all the leavers said it won't matter so lets just get on with it.

[Worthy4England]

still more than happy to be part of a reformed EU- Let's hope that Juncker was just posturing and that there ARE negotiations to be had.

EEA Membership is not out of the question either, but at what cost to the Leave Campaign

Don't think EU membership is an option now.

EEA? Well, that doesn't look likely seeing as the Tories are likely to move to the right, and the whole drive for leave has predominantly been around immigration, something that EEA membership won't fix. I don't see Gove/Boris or even May ignoring that as they pull out of the EU.

Like Worthy says, decision has been made. Lets pull out quickly, after all the leavers said it won't matter so lets just get on with it.

Of the EU, certainly - that was the question. Had the vote been "Do you want to scrap free movement and leave immigration to nation states, but retain trading relationships as far as possible within the EEA given the scrapping of free movement?" I'd almost certainly have supported that. I have consistently advocated "controlled immigration", the fact that it's uncontrolled didn't persuade me that it was more important than staying in the trading area (as we already "control" 50% of it)

Not sure about how the EEA question will play out - but if we just withdrew from it, I think there's was the mandate to do so.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Pulling out quickly has already been proven by the Catholics to be ineffective

[BWFC_Insane]

still more than happy to be part of a reformed EU- Let's hope that Juncker was just posturing and that there ARE negotiations to be had.

EEA Membership is not out of the question either, but at what cost to the Leave Campaign

Don't think EU membership is an option now.

EEA? Well, that doesn't look likely seeing as the Tories are likely to move to the right, and the whole drive for leave has predominantly been around immigration, something that EEA membership won't fix. I don't see Gove/Boris or even May ignoring that as they pull out of the EU.

Like Worthy says, decision has been made. Lets pull out quickly, after all the leavers said it won't matter so lets just get on with it.

Of the EU, certainly - that was the question. Had the vote been "Do you want to scrap free movement and leave immigration to nation states, but retain trading relationships as far as possible within the EEA given the scrapping of free movement?" I'd almost certainly have supported that. I have consistently advocated "controlled immigration", the fact that it's uncontrolled didn't persuade me that it was more important than staying in the trading area (as we already "control" 50% of it)

Not sure about how the EEA question will play out - but if we just withdrew from it, I think there's was the mandate to do so.

EEA withdrawal seems the only way, given, it seems we won't be allowed to remain without the freedom of movement of workers. And given that is basically what the leave vote has rallied against I don't see any way politically that can be squared off, and given the Tories will lurch rightwards I don't see it happening either.

[boltonboris]

still more than happy to be part of a reformed EU- Let's hope that Juncker was just posturing and that there ARE negotiations to be had.

EEA Membership is not out of the question either, but at what cost to the Leave Campaign

Don't think EU membership is an option now.

EEA? Well, that doesn't look likely seeing as the Tories are likely to move to the right, and the whole drive for leave has predominantly been around immigration, something that EEA membership won't fix. I don't see Gove/Boris or even May ignoring that as they pull out of the EU.

Like Worthy says, decision has been made. Lets pull out quickly, after all the leavers said it won't matter so lets just get on with it.

Of the EU, certainly - that was the question. Had the vote been "Do you want to scrap free movement and leave immigration to nation states, but retain trading relationships as far as possible within the EEA given the scrapping of free movement?" I'd almost certainly have supported that. I have consistently advocated "controlled immigration", the fact that it's uncontrolled didn't persuade me that it was more important than staying in the trading area (as we already "control" 50% of it)

Not sure about how the EEA question will play out - but if we just withdrew from it, I think there's was the mandate to do so.

EEA withdrawal seems the only way, given, it seems we won't be allowed to remain without the freedom of movement of workers. And given that is basically what the leave vote has rallied against I don't see any way politically that can be squared off, and given the Tories will lurch rightwards I don't see it happening either.

You're presuming the parties and then the public, will appoint the likes of Gove, Johnson and Farage into power.. I like many other 'leavers' I know, supported their campaign, but not the individuals campaigning