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[BWFC_Insane]

still more than happy to be part of a reformed EU- Let's hope that Juncker was just posturing and that there ARE negotiations to be had.

EEA Membership is not out of the question either, but at what cost to the Leave Campaign

Don't think EU membership is an option now.

EEA? Well, that doesn't look likely seeing as the Tories are likely to move to the right, and the whole drive for leave has predominantly been around immigration, something that EEA membership won't fix. I don't see Gove/Boris or even May ignoring that as they pull out of the EU.

Like Worthy says, decision has been made. Lets pull out quickly, after all the leavers said it won't matter so lets just get on with it.

Of the EU, certainly - that was the question. Had the vote been "Do you want to scrap free movement and leave immigration to nation states, but retain trading relationships as far as possible within the EEA given the scrapping of free movement?" I'd almost certainly have supported that. I have consistently advocated "controlled immigration", the fact that it's uncontrolled didn't persuade me that it was more important than staying in the trading area (as we already "control" 50% of it)

Not sure about how the EEA question will play out - but if we just withdrew from it, I think there's was the mandate to do so.

EEA withdrawal seems the only way, given, it seems we won't be allowed to remain without the freedom of movement of workers. And given that is basically what the leave vote has rallied against I don't see any way politically that can be squared off, and given the Tories will lurch rightwards I don't see it happening either.

You're presuming the parties and then the public, will appoint the likes of Gove, Johnson and Farage into power.. I like many other 'leavers' I know, supported their campaign, but not the individuals campaigning

Well, the Tories will have to go for someone who was in favour of leave or at least not strongly associated with remain.

The bottom line is you probably won't get a vote, the Tory party decides. And it is almost certain that they now lurch to the right.

[BWFC_Insane]

EU say, no renegotiation, and please get out quickly.....

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

EU say, no renegotiation, and please get out quickly.....

The country just told the EU to fcuk off. I hardly think we're likely to start taking their advice and instructions now.

[BWFC_Insane]

EU say, no renegotiation, and please get out quickly.....

The country just told the EU to fcuk off. I hardly think we're likely to start taking their advice and instructions now.

Aye, and the EU have basically said "see ya, don't let the door hit your arse on the way out".

[BWFC_Insane]

Sturgeon says new Scottish independence referendum now highly likely. EU withdrawal is a material change as outlined in their manifesto so likelihood is they will go back to the voters.

[BWFC_Insane]

Sturgeon says new Scottish independence referendum now highly likely. EU withdrawal is a material change as outlined in their manifesto so likelihood is they will go back to the voters.

I don't think Northern Ireland will be far behind them. I can see this leading to the dissolution of the UK.

Not sure NI have quite the same mandate. Sturgeon claims that Sadiq Khan has same aim for London - remain in EU. Not entirely sure how that would work and sounds like grandstanding to me.

Sturgeon is everything our leaders fail to be.

[Gary the Enfield]

Sturgeon says new Scottish independence referendum now highly likely. EU withdrawal is a material change as outlined in their manifesto so likelihood is they will go back to the voters.

I don't think Northern Ireland will be far behind them. I can see this leading to the dissolution of the UK.

Not sure NI have quite the same mandate. Sturgeon claims that Sadiq Khan has same aim for London - remain in EU. Not entirely sure how that would work and sounds like grandstanding to me.

Sturgeon is everything our leaders fail to be.

London isn't a country. It can't possibly leave the UK. This is as stupid as Sadiq Khan's election pledge to build 50,000 new homes in London every year. The massive tool.

I'm feeling bereft about this vote. But democracy is served. I just hope and pray those in charge of overseeing the extraction and dissolution of over 40 years of (largely) collective agreement do a good job and not screw us over by burning too many bridges...........

Oh, who am I kidding it's going to be a fvckfest conducted by self-serving cockwombles.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Oh, who am I kidding it's going to be a feck conducted by self-serving cockwombles.

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[TANGODANCER]

Sturgeon is everything our leaders fail to be.

Well, she's certainly been banging the drums and playing bagpipes for long enough. How about we just saw Scotland off and let it drift round to Russia or somewhere? Sturgeon for British P.M perhaps?

[BWFC_Insane]

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[BWFC_Insane]

Sturgeon is everything our leaders fail to be.

Well, she's certainly been banging the drums and playing bagpipes for long enough. How about we just saw Scotland off and let it drift round to Russia or somewhere? Sturgeon for British P.M perhaps?

She's a leader who actually represents her people and speaks in plain and simple English. Whether you agree with her politics or not, she's hugely impressive.

Even your mate thinks so....

Kevin Davies ‏@Kevin__Davies 20m20 minutes ago

Can we poach Nicola Sturgeon from Scotland and get her in in as our next prime minister please!!

[Worthy4England]

We shouldn't be accepting of this "Might get going on this in a few months." - They need to get on with it and should execute on it prior to the next General Election, so people understand what out actually looks like.

[Rjs37]

I'm not sure there'd be enough support for Scottish independence despite what's just happened. 38% of Scotland still voted to leave the EU. I can't see the other 62% all believing that being part of the EU is more important than being part of the UK.

At the very least they should wait and see how we're doing and how our negotiations are going. If it turns out we're in the shit then they should kick things off with another independence referendum.

[BWFC_Insane]

Funny thing to me is how the leave campaign look absolutely terrified. I don't think they thought they'd win and I already see backtracking and softening up of messaging "well we can take our time". "We're still European and they are our friends" etc etc...

I think they're beginning to brick it. Think they also thought Cameron would stay to deal with the flak for a while.

[Bruce Rioja]

Important matters first though. The office airhead has just asked if her Euro Millions ticket for tonight is still valid. God love her.

[Worthy4England]

Some Labour MP's tabled a vote of no confidence in Corbyn? Why bother with that? I mean, really?

[TANGODANCER]

Sturgeon is everything our leaders fail to be.

Well, she's certainly been banging the drums and playing bagpipes for long enough. How about we just saw Scotland off and let it drift round to Russia or somewhere? Sturgeon for British P.M perhaps?

She's a leader who actually represents her people and speaks in plain and simple English. Whether you agree with her politics or not, she's hugely impressive.

Even your mate thinks so....

Kevin Davies ‏@Kevin__Davies 20m20 minutes ago

Can we poach Nicola Sturgeon from Scotland and get her in in as our next prime minister please!!

She's also a part (unwilling? ) of the United Kingdom and should be pulling to keep it together rather than tear it apart. The U.K has existed for two hundred years (except for the Irish Republic who left in 1922). Nicola Sturgeon, patriotism apart, is a modern day Willomena Wallace. If we start isolating Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, where exactly does that leave us? If she's a caring sharing leader of the people, why does she want seperatism from her next-door neighbours? What do we do then, re-build Hadrian's Wall?

[TANGODANCER]

Funny thing to me is how the leave campaign look absolutely terrified. I don't think they thought they'd win and I already see backtracking and softening up of messaging "well we can take our time". "We're still European and they are our friends" etc etc...

I think they're beginning to brick it. Think they also thought Cameron would stay to deal with the flak for a while.

Ah, you've been round and visited them all have you? All this from the comfort of your lounge and B.B.C newsround. Great.

[Bruce Rioja]

Sturgeon is everything our leaders fail to be.

Aye

[BWFC_Insane]

Sturgeon is everything our leaders fail to be.

Well, she's certainly been banging the drums and playing bagpipes for long enough. How about we just saw Scotland off and let it drift round to Russia or somewhere? Sturgeon for British P.M perhaps?

She's a leader who actually represents her people and speaks in plain and simple English. Whether you agree with her politics or not, she's hugely impressive.

Even your mate thinks so....

Kevin Davies ‏@Kevin__Davies 20m20 minutes ago

Can we poach Nicola Sturgeon from Scotland and get her in in as our next prime minister please!!

She's also a part (unwilling? ) of the United Kingdom and should be pulling to keep it together rather than tear it apart. The U.K has existed for two hundred years (except for the Irish Republic who left in 1922). Nicola Sturgeon, patriotism apart, is a modern day Willomena Wallace. If we start isolating Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, where exactly does that leave us? If she's a caring sharing leader of the people, why does she want seperatism from her next-door neighbours? What do we do then, re-build Hadrian's Wall?

Because there is increasing divergence between the beliefs of the Scottish people and those in England and Wales?

Because she believes, rightly or wrongly that Scotland and its people would be better off under their own power than that of Westminster. Like I say, you don't have to agree with her views, but she's far more impressive than Cameron, Corbyn, Boris et al...