The Politics Thread

[Worthy4England]

Announcing results of GM mayoral election now. Seems like Burnham has absolutely monstered it.

More than double the votes of the Tory candidate in Bolton alone.

Labour would be in so much better shape if led by Burnham. This has now been shown. Shame on those who supported Corbyn. Shame on them.

Corbyn is apparently going to Manchester to "celebrate" with Burnham. Burnham should tell him to fck off.

Burnham is a lapdog. He would never tell Corbyn or anyone else for that matter to fcuk off.

Nonsense. He's just run a campaign subtly distancing himself from Corbyn. Consequently he won by a huge margin. In every single area of GM too.

Has he? How so? I don't think the national picture played much of a part for either him nor Anstee but that's a little bit different than distancing himself, other than he's no longer an MP.

[Prufrock]

JohnnyB on Twitter: it now looks like Labour's only chance of winning the general election is if Diane Abbott can count the votes.

[Worthy4England]

JohnnyB on Twitter: it now looks like Labour's only chance of winning the general election is if Diane Abbott can count the votes.

There's no guarantee that wouldn't be a landslide for the Tories, either.

[Rjs37]

Announcing results of GM mayoral election now. Seems like Burnham has absolutely monstered it.

More than double the votes of the Tory candidate in Bolton alone.

Labour would be in so much better shape if led by Burnham. This has now been shown. Shame on those who supported Corbyn. Shame on them.

This shows nothing of the sort. These mayoral elections are a lot less about party politics and more about the individuals themselves. At a general election and at local elections it's more about the party and their policies. Yes the individual in charge plays a part (and a pretty big part) but him doing well here does not show how well he'd do as Labour leader.

It just shows he's more popular than the other bloke. You put a high profile Labour candidate against a conservative candidate that no-one's heard of and the result is a landslide? Big surprise.

If instead you had George Osborne (with his Northern Powerhouse slogan) going up against a nobody from Labour, then it would've been a similar result in the other direction.

My dad voted for Burnham (hell he was even my second choice) for this election, but he's not voted Labour since the Blair days. Burnham as leader wouldn't have changed that at all. Had the other Milliband got in, then we may have gone done a whole different path, but we are where we are, and trying to use this election as evidence that he'd have done well as the leader is just leaping to conclusions that simply don't exist.

[Worthy4England]

Not convinced about that, either. When you look at the majorities (in terms of seats) across GMCA, I'm not sure Osborne would have won against a relatively Labour unknown. GMCA being one of the few remaining places where I think your logic might be faulty...

Anstee isn't a total unknown, he's council leader for the one Authority that isn't Labour in GMCA. As it happens he managed to puss loads of people in Trafford off, with his stance on GMSF.

[Bruce Rioja]

Nonsense. He's just run a campaign subtly distancing himself from Corbyn. Consequently he won by a huge margin. In every single area of GM too.

Behave. Burnham would still have been a nailed-on cert even had he had Corbyn canvassing for him

[Rjs37]

Not convinced about that, either. When you look at the majorities (in terms of seats) across GMCA, I'm not sure Osborne would have won against a relatively Labour unknown. GMCA being one of the few remaining places where I think your logic might be faulty...

Anstee isn't a total unknown, he's council leader for the one Authority that isn't Labour in GMCA. As it happens he managed to puss loads of people in Trafford off, with his stance on GMSF.

Yeah fair enough, though I certainly hadn't heard of him before this set of elections. It's still a far cry from a previous front-bencher / leadership candidate. It's pretty clear that the conservatives knew they didn't stand a chance against Burnham and decided not to put up a huge fight. Concentrating instead on other regions.

And yeah you're probably right about Osborne. My point still stands though that this result means absolutely nothing compared to how Burnham would've performed as the Labour leader. Completely different set of circumstances.

[BWFC_Insane]

Nonsense. He's just run a campaign subtly distancing himself from Corbyn. Consequently he won by a huge margin. In every single area of GM too.

Behave. Burnham would still have been a nailed-on cert even had he had Corbyn canvassing for him

Just like the Labour guy in Teeside was...oh.....

Burnham got 63% of the vote. A superb achievement.

Labour won't poll half of that in a few weeks!

[Worthy4England]

Not convinced about that, either. When you look at the majorities (in terms of seats) across GMCA, I'm not sure Osborne would have won against a relatively Labour unknown. GMCA being one of the few remaining places where I think your logic might be faulty...

Anstee isn't a total unknown, he's council leader for the one Authority that isn't Labour in GMCA. As it happens he managed to puss loads of people in Trafford off, with his stance on GMSF.

Yeah fair enough, though I certainly hadn't heard of him before this set of elections. It's still a far cry from a previous front-bencher / leadership candidate. It's pretty clear that the conservatives knew they didn't stand a chance against Burnham and decided not to put up a huge fight. Concentrating instead on other regions.

And yeah you're probably right about Osborne. My point still stands though that this result means absolutely nothing compared to how Burnham would've performed as the Labour leader. Completely different set of circumstances.

Agreed and I think many other places you'd be spot on. Blair didn't appeal to most of the Labour activists when he got elected Leader. They did I think understand the picking another Foot/Kinnock was a done deal. 20 years in the wilderness does that to a party.

[Worthy4England]

Nonsense. He's just run a campaign subtly distancing himself from Corbyn. Consequently he won by a huge margin. In every single area of GM too.

Behave. Burnham would still have been a nailed-on cert even had he had Corbyn canvassing for him

Just like the Labour guy in Teeside was...oh.....

Burnham got 63% of the vote. A superb achievement.

Labour won't poll half of that in a few weeks!

63% of a 28% turn out, still has to be won. Don't think he'd have got that in Peterborough...

[BWFC_Insane]

Nonsense. He's just run a campaign subtly distancing himself from Corbyn. Consequently he won by a huge margin. In every single area of GM too.

Behave. Burnham would still have been a nailed-on cert even had he had Corbyn canvassing for him

Just like the Labour guy in Teeside was...oh.....

Burnham got 63% of the vote. A superb achievement.

Labour won't poll half of that in a few weeks!

63% of a 28% turn out, still has to be won. Don't think he'd have got that in Peterborough...

Corbyn wouldnt get that in any region of the UK....

[bedwetter2]

Announcing results of GM mayoral election now. Seems like Burnham has absolutely monstered it.

More than double the votes of the Tory candidate in Bolton alone.

Labour would be in so much better shape if led by Burnham. This has now been shown. Shame on those who supported Corbyn. Shame on them.

Corbyn is apparently going to Manchester to "celebrate" with Burnham. Burnham should tell him to fck off.

Burnham is a lapdog. He would never tell Corbyn or anyone else for that matter to fcuk off.

Nonsense. He's just run a campaign subtly distancing himself from Corbyn. Consequently he won by a huge margin. In every single area of GM too.

Well of course you are entitled to your view. I don't share it for the very simple reason that he showed no guts in the leadership contest and was not prepared to stick his head above the parapet.
In his time as a minister he was perhaps the least innovative of all the supposed Labour up and comers. Distinctly unimpressive.

It will of course be interesting to compare and contrast the performance of the Greater Manchester mayor with the West Midlands mayor. One is bound to be more dynamic than the other. I know who I will put my money on.

[BWFC_Insane]

Announcing results of GM mayoral election now. Seems like Burnham has absolutely monstered it.

More than double the votes of the Tory candidate in Bolton alone.

Labour would be in so much better shape if led by Burnham. This has now been shown. Shame on those who supported Corbyn. Shame on them.

Corbyn is apparently going to Manchester to "celebrate" with Burnham. Burnham should tell him to fck off.

Burnham is a lapdog. He would never tell Corbyn or anyone else for that matter to fcuk off.

Nonsense. He's just run a campaign subtly distancing himself from Corbyn. Consequently he won by a huge margin. In every single area of GM too.

Well of course you are entitled to your view. I don't share it for the very simple reason that he showed no guts in the leadership contest and was not prepared to stick his head above the parapet.
In his time as a minister he was perhaps the least innovative of all the supposed Labour up and comers. Distinctly unimpressive.

It will of course be interesting to compare and contrast the performance of the Greater Manchester mayor with the West Midlands mayor. One is bound to be more dynamic than the other. I know who I will put my money on.

Corbyn came up for a rally to celebrate Burnhams victory. Burnham didn't turn up for it!

LOL!

[Bruce Rioja]

Nonsense. He's just run a campaign subtly distancing himself from Corbyn. Consequently he won by a huge margin. In every single area of GM too.

Behave. Burnham would still have been a nailed-on cert even had he had Corbyn canvassing for him

Just like the Labour guy in Teeside was...oh.....

Burnham got 63% of the vote. A superb achievement.

Labour won't poll half of that in a few weeks!

Presumably you live in the northwest and talk to others. There's never been any question that Burnham wouldn't romp it.

[Worthy4England]

Nonsense. He's just run a campaign subtly distancing himself from Corbyn. Consequently he won by a huge margin. In every single area of GM too.

Behave. Burnham would still have been a nailed-on cert even had he had Corbyn canvassing for him

Corect
Just like the Labour guy in Teeside was...oh.....

Burnham got 63% of the vote. A superb achievement.

Labour won't poll half of that in a few weeks!

Presumably you live in the northwest and talk to others. There's never been any question that Burnham wouldn't romp it.

Correct. And sorta to RJ46?'s point a Tory "big hitter" even in today's climate would've struggled in the People's Republic of GMCA. A 63% win against people who really couldn't be arsed is hardly a validation of anything.

[Hoboh]

Hee, hee, hee, I see the battalions of remainers and regretful Brrexiters failed to emerge in just the same way as they won't in a few weeks time.
Why?
Because apart from the squealing bend over for Juncker few, they don't exist, except in the wet dreams of Blair, Farron and Miller!

On another note, the Labour party should be thoroughly ashamed about letting militant in a new guise take over the party, your Burnham's and such cannot be expected to run a country when they let their party crash into the buffers.

[Hoboh]

Nonsense. He's just run a campaign subtly distancing himself from Corbyn. Consequently he won by a huge margin. In every single area of GM too.

Behave. Burnham would still have been a nailed-on cert even had he had Corbyn canvassing for him

Just like the Labour guy in Teeside was...oh.....

Burnham got 63% of the vote. A superb achievement.

Labour won't poll half of that in a few weeks!

Presumably you live in the northwest and talk to others. There's never been any question that Burnham wouldn't romp it.

Yep, you are correct, in just the same way Bolton South East would never elect a Tory!

[Hoboh]

You had a wireless didn't you? That was a gadget back then my point being, each generation had a little more technology and convenience than the previous. Admittedly the innovation and speed is somewhat greater these days

Most 'developments' had a purpose for the masses, hell even google is a very useful tool but Facebook? Fodder for the ........?

If it is of no use and you don't like it, why do you use it?

I don't use nor ever have used Facebook, what I object to is people and the media taking Facebook as the opinion of the public, it isn't.

For someone who hasn't ever used Facebook you sure seem to have a strong opinion about it, and what it contains. Though a somewhat distorted view. I also don't think anyone ever suggests it represents the opinion of the public, beyond, and this is an important distinction, the people on facebook, are of course, the British public and therefore are representative of their own views.

Are you for real???
You cannot comment or log on to more and more places unless you have a Faceachebook account, news outlets pick up stories on Faceachebook, people get their windows smashed because of Faceachebook, it is the dumbest piece of shite ever invented, Damian Thorn must be pissing himself at the total stupidity of some.

[Prufrock]

Ah the envy of youth...

[Worthy4England]

Hee, hee, hee, I see the battalions of remainers and regretful Brrexiters failed to emerge in just the same way as they won't in a few weeks time.
Why?
Because apart from the squealing bend over for Juncker few, they don't exist, except in the wet dreams of Blair, Farron and Miller!

On another note, the Labour party should be thoroughly ashamed about letting militant in a new guise take over the party, your Burnham's and such cannot be expected to run a country when they let their party crash into the buffers.

Not that I think they'll emerge at the general election either, but who do you think was expecting remainers and regretful Brexiteers to turn out and do what approximately in council elections?

Hehe, hee, hee, the anti-Facebook party, hardly registered a vote, fcking losers.