The Politics Thread

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Missed it. Was anything useful said? Or was it like a playground argument similar to the commons?

Nothing stands out as being useful, but I think it was a generally more edifying standard of debate than we're used to in the commons.

[CAPSLOCK]

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/ask- ... ellors/4od

And while I'm here, 4od is brilliant

[Athers]

I'm not convinced by the Tories enough to vote for them if it were tomorrow... yet I do like the idea of having that 1% of my income.. Hmm

[thebish]

I'm not convinced by the Tories enough to vote for them if it were tomorrow... yet I do like the idea of having that 1% of my income.. Hmm

here's my prediction should Cameron win...

May 17th 2010: George Osborne.

"Now we have had a chance to look at the books in detail we have to announce that the economy is in a far worse state than we thought - the last Labour government have brought the country to its knees - and so, reluctantly, in the interests of prudent management of the National Debt we have to take some tough decisions - one of which is to delay our plans to scrap the increase in National Insurance as a temporary measure to offset the calamitous mess the last government left. Our promise was honourably meant and not just a pre-election gimmick as some sought to portray it - and will one day be fulfilled - but tough decisions need to be taken and we are the government of hard choices. So I am very sorry Athers - you were led astray."

[BWFC_Insane]

I'm not convinced by the Tories enough to vote for them if it were tomorrow... yet I do like the idea of having that 1% of my income.. Hmm

here's my prediction should Cameron win...

May 17th 2010: George Osborne.

"Now we have had a chance to look at the books in detail we have to announce that the economy is in a far worse state than we thought - the last Labour government have brought the country to its knees - and so, reluctantly, in the interests of prudent management of the National Debt we have to take some tough decisions - one of which is to delay our plans to scrap the increase in National Insurance as a temporary measure to offset the calamitous mess the last government left. Our promise was honourably meant and not just a pre-election gimmick as some sought to portray it - and will one day be fulfilled - but tough decisions need to be taken and we are the government of hard choices. So I am very sorry Athers - you were led astray."

I'll give them 3 weeks in power before.....

"Right we've had a good look and a good think and we've decided that all that stuff about bankers and shit we were banging on about before the election. Well you know, they're "ours" and we have to look after our own. So we've decided to let bankers, big business and the like do whatever the fook they like and we'll help them to do it. All you nurses, teachers, bus drivers etc, you know the "lower classes" well you only voted for us cos the "sun" told you, so we're going to make sure you're all out of a job or at least far worse off. Hard times you know, so hard decisions. We've got to look after our own, its the Tory way!".

[superjohnmcginlay]

I'm not convinced by the Tories enough to vote for them if it were tomorrow... yet I do like the idea of having that 1% of my income.. Hmm

here's my prediction should Cameron win...

May 17th 2010: George Osborne.

"Now we have had a chance to look at the books in detail we have to announce that the economy is in a far worse state than we thought - the last Labour government have brought the country to its knees - and so, reluctantly, in the interests of prudent management of the National Debt we have to take some tough decisions - one of which is to delay our plans to scrap the increase in National Insurance as a temporary measure to offset the calamitous mess the last government left. Our promise was honourably meant and not just a pre-election gimmick as some sought to portray it - and will one day be fulfilled - but tough decisions need to be taken and we are the government of hard choices. So I am very sorry Athers - you were led astray."

I doubt that. They'll stick to it. They might raise something else to cover it though.

[thebish]

I'm not convinced by the Tories enough to vote for them if it were tomorrow... yet I do like the idea of having that 1% of my income.. Hmm

here's my prediction should Cameron win...

May 17th 2010: George Osborne.

"Now we have had a chance to look at the books in detail we have to announce that the economy is in a far worse state than we thought - the last Labour government have brought the country to its knees - and so, reluctantly, in the interests of prudent management of the National Debt we have to take some tough decisions - one of which is to delay our plans to scrap the increase in National Insurance as a temporary measure to offset the calamitous mess the last government left. Our promise was honourably meant and not just a pre-election gimmick as some sought to portray it - and will one day be fulfilled - but tough decisions need to be taken and we are the government of hard choices. So I am very sorry Athers - you were led astray."

I doubt that. They'll stick to it. They might raise something else to cover it though.

the tories tell us that their priority is dealing with the national debt - and faster than everyone else
then they tell us they will basically do this by finding 20billion worth of efficiency cuts in government that we will hardly notice
(as soon as a politician announces that a problem is overcome by finding efficiency savings in government - you know they are basically full of crap)
then they say they will basically blow all those alleged savings on keeping NI down to its current level
what then will pay for sorting out the deficit?

i simply do not buy it.

[Gooner Girl]

Politics is boring as! But, if you have a few minutes this is interesting and worth doing...

http://voteforpolicies.org.uk/

looks like i'll be voting Green or labour.

[superjohnmcginlay]

I'm not convinced by the Tories enough to vote for them if it were tomorrow... yet I do like the idea of having that 1% of my income.. Hmm

here's my prediction should Cameron win...

May 17th 2010: George Osborne.

"Now we have had a chance to look at the books in detail we have to announce that the economy is in a far worse state than we thought - the last Labour government have brought the country to its knees - and so, reluctantly, in the interests of prudent management of the National Debt we have to take some tough decisions - one of which is to delay our plans to scrap the increase in National Insurance as a temporary measure to offset the calamitous mess the last government left. Our promise was honourably meant and not just a pre-election gimmick as some sought to portray it - and will one day be fulfilled - but tough decisions need to be taken and we are the government of hard choices. So I am very sorry Athers - you were led astray."

I doubt that. They'll stick to it. They might raise something else to cover it though.

the tories tell us that their priority is dealing with the national debt - and faster than everyone else
then they tell us they will basically do this by finding 20billion worth of efficiency cuts in government that we will hardly notice
(as soon as a politician announces that a problem is overcome by finding efficiency savings in government - you know they are basically full of crap)
then they say they will basically blow all those alleged savings on keeping NI down to its current level
what then will pay for sorting out the deficit?

i simply do not buy it.

I don't buy most things said by most politicians. I wish they (labour or tory) just come out and tell the truth about what needs doing - "Sorry, but we are going to kick the f*ck out the public sector". Doesn't win votes though.

[thebish]

Politics is boring as!

such a GIRL thing to say....

[Prufrock]

I'm not convinced by the Tories enough to vote for them if it were tomorrow... yet I do like the idea of having that 1% of my income.. Hmm

here's my prediction should Cameron win...

May 17th 2010: George Osborne.

"Now we have had a chance to look at the books in detail we have to announce that the economy is in a far worse state than we thought - the last Labour government have brought the country to its knees - and so, reluctantly, in the interests of prudent management of the National Debt we have to take some tough decisions - one of which is to delay our plans to scrap the increase in National Insurance as a temporary measure to offset the calamitous mess the last government left. Our promise was honourably meant and not just a pre-election gimmick as some sought to portray it - and will one day be fulfilled - but tough decisions need to be taken and we are the government of hard choices. So I am very sorry Athers - you were led astray."

I doubt that. They'll stick to it. They might raise something else to cover it though.

the tories tell us that their priority is dealing with the national debt - and faster than everyone else
then they tell us they will basically do this by finding 20billion worth of efficiency cuts in government that we will hardly notice
(as soon as a politician announces that a problem is overcome by finding efficiency savings in government - you know they are basically full of crap)
then they say they will basically blow all those alleged savings on keeping NI down to its current level
what then will pay for sorting out the deficit?

i simply do not buy it.

As this excellent David mitchell blog expertly points out (tee fecking hee) waste is inevitable. If we are in debt, either taxes go up, or public spending goes down. Or a balance of both. Whoever said I'd rather keep that 1% of my salary, assuming the average salary of about 25k. Is £250 really worth having those evil bastards in charge for the next 5 years?

[superjohnmcginlay]

Which evil bastards?

[Lord Kangana]

Pru can't have been referring to Georgie Osbourne. Thers more evil in a cup of tea, he looks like he's still wincing from his last fagging session with DavCam.

[a1]

As this excellent David mitchell blog expertly points out (tee fecking hee) waste is inevitable. If we are in debt, either taxes go up, or public spending goes down. Or a balance of both. Whoever said I'd rather keep that 1% of my salary, assuming the average salary of about 25k. Is £250 really worth having those evil bastards in charge for the next 5 years?

what i carnt buy is that folk are expected to vote for gordon brown, who iirc was the chancellor when the 'shite hit the fan'.
the 'lets put national insurance up to counter a temporary vat decrease' (like it was tabs or beer or petrol duty) seemed "uh oh" to me too. the "tax the oil firms / banks early" (presumably there was some discount involved) wheeze as well.

selling all the gold to the chinese too.

theydve been better off getting someone else in.

now the campaigning seems to be "at least were not x" which might play well in places like bolton where a dead pig with a red rosette stuck to it would get voted for. but elsewhere ? i dunno.

and £250 is a weeks wages or more to some (most?). having good old not evil whichever-party* in wont do you any good if you starve to death on the last week of the fiscal year.

[Gooner Girl]

Politics is boring as!

such a GIRL thing to say....

Well to me they all mostly seem as bad as each other and theres not a lot i can do about it - if women hadn't died to give me the vote i probably wouldn't bother. Bad attitude i know but its true, politics is pretty boring to most younger people these days.

[Lord Kangana]

This gold thing. Wasn't it in something like 1999? I don't remember anyone kicking up a fuss about it 'til about half an hour ago. If you're going to pick apart your opposition, at least do it with a little credibility. Like when you print posters proclaiming "The poverty gap has widened under Gordon Brown". Right on brother, I'm feeling it with you. But what are you actually going to do about it?

[a1]

This gold thing. Wasn't it in something like 1999? I don't remember anyone kicking up a fuss about it 'til about half an hour ago. If you're going to pick apart your opposition, at least do it with a little credibility. Like when you print posters proclaiming "The poverty gap has widened under Gordon Brown". Right on brother, I'm feeling it with you. But what are you actually going to do about it ?

no it was a big thing at the time . i remember 1999 being the time when everybody started getting computers , phones and that and someone going "we could sell it to them later on when everyone buys a laptop/tv/whatever"

maybe it was just me.

[Prufrock]

Global economic crisis = Gordon Brown's fault. I'm not particularly enamoured with another five years of him, mainly due to the fact he wants to stop us doing fun stuff, but David 'I have no policies, AT ALL, seriously, I can't believe I've got this far. People ask me about sh*t and I just say -if it was a race to not have a posh prime minister i'd lose- kiss some babies and try not to look sickening. No-one seems to have asked us. We just say look how sh*t the other lot are whilst I slowly get my mental no gay marriage rich friends on the ticket and the path opens up so we can get back to doing what we Tories do best, f*cking the poor and bumming the rich. Wanna buy a naked picture of Maggie for a fiver?' Cameron just can't become PM. PLEEEEEASEE. It'll be awful.

[thebish]

Global economic crisis = Gordon Brown's fault. I'm not particularly enamoured with another five years of him, mainly due to the fact he wants to stop us doing fun stuff, but David 'I have no policies, AT ALL, seriously, I can't believe I've got this far. People ask me about sh*t and I just say -if it was a race to not have a posh prime minister i'd lose- kiss some babies and try not to look sickening. No-one seems to have asked us. We just say look how sh*t the other lot are whilst I slowly get my mental no gay marriage rich friends on the ticket and the path opens up so we can get back to doing what we Tories do best, f*cking the poor and bumming the rich. Wanna buy a naked picture of Maggie for a fiver?' Cameron just can't become PM. PLEEEEEASEE. It'll be awful.

Cameron is Blair-lite - and it seems preposterous to imagine there could be such a thing...

[a1]

Global economic crisis = Gordon Brown's fault. I'm not particularly enamoured with another five years of him, mainly due to the fact he wants to stop us doing fun stuff, but David 'I have no policies, AT ALL, seriously, I can't believe I've got this far. People ask me about sh*t and I just say -if it was a race to not have a posh prime minister i'd lose- kiss some babies and try not to look sickening. No-one seems to have asked us. We just say look how sh*t the other lot are whilst I slowly get my mental no gay marriage rich friends on the ticket and the path opens up so we can get back to doing what we Tories do best, f*cking the poor and bumming the rich. Wanna buy a naked picture of Maggie for a fiver?' Cameron just can't become PM. PLEEEEEASEE. It'll be awful.

yeah thats me point. the labour party seem to be saying "at least we're not david c" or some childish shite , its offputting, if they binned off gordon b theydve at least had a cut off from the percieved badness of gordon being crap at numbers.

the conserves going "its gordons fault" while not saying how theyd fix it is at least normal. and possibly true. theyve got previous on wacky pr , maybe they learnt.