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Yeah coz ZX Speccy graphics cards were dead easy to replace (similar to XBox ones)thebish wrote:having just bought a new pc for the kids (the old one having blown up in a cloud of acrid smoke!) - my son informed me that it ran World of Warcraft fine - and my daughter was very happy with its speedy running of Sims3.
however - he now informs me that WoW is quite an old game and some of the newer stuff what he downloads - the video card is not up to scratch.
now - video cards and the technical mumbo-jumbo that goes with them is well beyond me - so I ask him to research which one will match the pc's capabilities and run his games.. (he is 17 and about to go to Teesside Uni to study computer Games programming - so he SHOULD be able to handle it!)
he recommends a radeon HD4830 - so I order one (nice dad that I am!)
it arrives today - and it is fecking huge - takes up two slots - and in just to get it in to the machine I have to reroute several yards of cabling..
but - I get it in and am quite proud of myself.
then I notice that it needs powering - arse! - but never mind - there are several spare power cables dangling from the psu...
BUT - none of them fit - the video card needs a pciexpress(6pin) power supply... bugger - have to order an adaptor
AND THEN - the pc only has a vga monitor cable - and the video card has dvi-d inputs and no vga - so - have to order new fecking cable too...
bring back the XZ Spectrum!!! Aaaaaaaghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Seems to me you should have made your son install his recommendation and pay for any necessary modifications. It might teach him the value of thorough research....Worthy4England wrote:Yeah coz ZX Speccy graphics cards were dead easy to replace (similar to XBox ones)thebish wrote:having just bought a new pc for the kids (the old one having blown up in a cloud of acrid smoke!) - my son informed me that it ran World of Warcraft fine - and my daughter was very happy with its speedy running of Sims3.
however - he now informs me that WoW is quite an old game and some of the newer stuff what he downloads - the video card is not up to scratch.
now - video cards and the technical mumbo-jumbo that goes with them is well beyond me - so I ask him to research which one will match the pc's capabilities and run his games.. (he is 17 and about to go to Teesside Uni to study computer Games programming - so he SHOULD be able to handle it!)
he recommends a radeon HD4830 - so I order one (nice dad that I am!)
it arrives today - and it is fecking huge - takes up two slots - and in just to get it in to the machine I have to reroute several yards of cabling..
but - I get it in and am quite proud of myself.
then I notice that it needs powering - arse! - but never mind - there are several spare power cables dangling from the psu...
BUT - none of them fit - the video card needs a pciexpress(6pin) power supply... bugger - have to order an adaptor
AND THEN - the pc only has a vga monitor cable - and the video card has dvi-d inputs and no vga - so - have to order new fecking cable too...
bring back the XZ Spectrum!!! Aaaaaaaghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Seems to me you should have made your son install his recommendation and pay for any necessary modifications. It might teach him the value of thorough research....
I suspect I would have not thought to check what kind of power connectors the pc had if I had done it..
BUT - given that he is streets ahead of me in the games design and programming field - the only way I can keep a step ahead is to know more about how a pc works inside - he hasn't got the faintest idea how to wire a plug never mind tinker with the internal pc spaghetti - and - as a competitive dad - I like to be needed sometimes and still feel useful and hold on to that tag that dads love to keep until eventually it is snatched from their cold dead hands - that dad can fix anything!!
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You might lose your little advantage, thebish, but it's best you give him some guidance. Any serious gamer, programmer or otherwise, surely must know what's inside the box and how to configure thing whether it's wiring or BIOS or overclocking. Otherwise he'll turn into a marvellous engineer who can't find the gearbox in his car. 
I agree with you on the internal wiring conundrum though. It can be a right pain in the neck. It seems as though as soon as one decides to buy a new bit of gear after long and considered research, one has to then do the same with cabling, connectors and adapters. Then there's the 'drivers' to ensure that it will work with your operating system plus the power it will draw and whether your current (sorry) power supply will manage it. The old Centronix parallel ports seem to be dead and you're lucky to get an RS232 port on a motherboard these days. USB input/output ports are becoming faster but they are still terribly slow relative to the previously mentioned. Many new motherboards don't boast any IDE connections for old and faithful IDE hard drives; nor will they support the now 'old' DDR and DDR2 memory modules. *sighs*
Yes I'm bitter and even a bit twisted. About five or six weeks ago I purchased and installed a new motherboard, memory and CPU only to find that the machine wouldn't recognise the boot sector of my existing SATA drive even though I had done nothing to the operating system (Windows XP Pro). What a kerfuffle that has been!

I agree with you on the internal wiring conundrum though. It can be a right pain in the neck. It seems as though as soon as one decides to buy a new bit of gear after long and considered research, one has to then do the same with cabling, connectors and adapters. Then there's the 'drivers' to ensure that it will work with your operating system plus the power it will draw and whether your current (sorry) power supply will manage it. The old Centronix parallel ports seem to be dead and you're lucky to get an RS232 port on a motherboard these days. USB input/output ports are becoming faster but they are still terribly slow relative to the previously mentioned. Many new motherboards don't boast any IDE connections for old and faithful IDE hard drives; nor will they support the now 'old' DDR and DDR2 memory modules. *sighs*
Yes I'm bitter and even a bit twisted. About five or six weeks ago I purchased and installed a new motherboard, memory and CPU only to find that the machine wouldn't recognise the boot sector of my existing SATA drive even though I had done nothing to the operating system (Windows XP Pro). What a kerfuffle that has been!

you're probably right - but then I know next to nothing myself - so it would be the blind leading the blind! I am guessing that at Uni he will mix it with a whole basement of pasty-faced nerds and before long will be overclocking his dongle with the best of them and I will be left in the dark ages!Dujon wrote:You might lose your little advantage, thebish, but it's best you give him some guidance. Any serious gamer, programmer or otherwise, surely must know what's inside the box and how to configure thing whether it's wiring or BIOS or overclocking. Otherwise he'll turn into a marvellous engineer who can't find the gearbox in his car.

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but surely that's the entire point of a price comparison site?Raven wrote:Price comparison websites, I want to find details on something not who's fecking selling it cheaper than someone else (and they are usually wrong as well)

maybe you should type into google the item you are researching along with the word "review" - but judge for yourself the worth of an internet "review"!
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Oh I like the ! at the end.thebish wrote:but surely that's the entire point of a price comparison site?Raven wrote:Price comparison websites, I want to find details on something not who's fecking selling it cheaper than someone else (and they are usually wrong as well)![]()
maybe you should type into google the item you are researching along with the word "review" - but judge for yourself the worth of an internet "review"!
Maybe had you followed your own advice, you would have understood that your new graphics card took up two slots...

you mean my teenage son surely!Worthy4England wrote:Oh I like the ! at the end.thebish wrote:but surely that's the entire point of a price comparison site?Raven wrote:Price comparison websites, I want to find details on something not who's fecking selling it cheaper than someone else (and they are usually wrong as well)![]()
maybe you should type into google the item you are researching along with the word "review" - but judge for yourself the worth of an internet "review"!
Maybe had you followed your own advice, you would have understood that your new graphics card took up two slots...

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I'd understood you were the IT service provider?thebish wrote:you mean my teenage son surely!Worthy4England wrote:Oh I like the ! at the end.thebish wrote:but surely that's the entire point of a price comparison site?Raven wrote:Price comparison websites, I want to find details on something not who's fecking selling it cheaper than someone else (and they are usually wrong as well)![]()
maybe you should type into google the item you are researching along with the word "review" - but judge for yourself the worth of an internet "review"!
Maybe had you followed your own advice, you would have understood that your new graphics card took up two slots...
ooh - that sounds important!! OK - it was ME!!!!Worthy4England wrote:I'd understood you were the IT service provider?thebish wrote:you mean my teenage son surely!Worthy4England wrote:Oh I like the ! at the end.thebish wrote:but surely that's the entire point of a price comparison site?Raven wrote:Price comparison websites, I want to find details on something not who's fecking selling it cheaper than someone else (and they are usually wrong as well)![]()
maybe you should type into google the item you are researching along with the word "review" - but judge for yourself the worth of an internet "review"!
Maybe had you followed your own advice, you would have understood that your new graphics card took up two slots...

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So you should have validated his request and charged him £80 for doing so, + time and materials for fitting and the case cost of the new hardware.thebish wrote:ooh - that sounds important!! OK - it was ME!!!!Worthy4England wrote:I'd understood you were the IT service provider?thebish wrote:you mean my teenage son surely!Worthy4England wrote:Oh I like the ! at the end.thebish wrote: but surely that's the entire point of a price comparison site?![]()
maybe you should type into google the item you are researching along with the word "review" - but judge for yourself the worth of an internet "review"!
Maybe had you followed your own advice, you would have understood that your new graphics card took up two slots...
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You forgot the all important insurance. You could call it something like "making sure the computer doesn't get sold gold plated guarantee bond" or something. Thats worth £8.99 per month of any sons money.
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I have just cobbled together a heath-robinson combination of power adaptors - and - hey presto it works a treat - and I am officially (again) a genius dad who can fix anything - result!Worthy4England wrote:
So you should have validated his request and charged him £80 for doing so, + time and materials for fitting and the case cost of the new hardware.
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