Today I'm angry about.....

[Burnden Paddock]

Not where I live.

You clearly need to update your vocabulary to include fcukbuddy.

Never!

My dear old Dad still has them all cast as, 'tarts'. I defy anyone to change his vocabulary, or indeed anything else about the man.

There's no harm in the fella.

But, but clearly the association between calling someone a bird and blatant wife beating is unequivocal. Stands to reason that you view this person as a second class citizen. Honest guv.

I think it's fair to say, that whilst no association may exist between your use of language and the possibility that you beat up women, it seems entirely possible that it's indicative of your lack of respect for them.

What if she was employed in a job wearing a hi-viz jacket. Or any bloke for that matter. Would it be ok for him to have no respect then? I'm basing that on your own standards tbf.

[Bruce Rioja]

What if she was employed in a job wearing a hi-viz jacket. Or any bloke for that matter. Would it be ok for him to have no respect then? I'm basing that on your own standards tbf.

And what if she was overweight (a fat bird, so to speak)? To paraphrase Bob "showing a complete lack of self respect"?

[Montreal Wanderer]

What if she was employed in a job wearing a hi-viz jacket. Or any bloke for that matter. Would it be ok for him to have no respect then? I'm basing that on your own standards tbf.

And what if she was overweight (a fat bird, so to speak)? To paraphrase Bob "showing a complete lack of self respect"?

Self-respect? Is Enoch an over-weight lady? Or is it BP? If you're confused, I'm utterly fogged.

[Bruce Rioja]

What if she was employed in a job wearing a hi-viz jacket. Or any bloke for that matter. Would it be ok for him to have no respect then? I'm basing that on your own standards tbf.

And what if she was overweight (a fat bird, so to speak)? To paraphrase Bob "showing a complete lack of self respect"?

Self-respect? Is Enoch an over-weight lady? Or is it BP? If you're confused, I'm utterly fogged.

Avoid fogginess - read things properly.

[Worthy4England]

Not where I live.

You clearly need to update your vocabulary to include fcukbuddy.

Never!

My dear old Dad still has them all cast as, 'tarts'. I defy anyone to change his vocabulary, or indeed anything else about the man.

There's no harm in the fella.

But, but clearly the association between calling someone a bird and blatant wife beating is unequivocal. Stands to reason that you view this person as a second class citizen. Honest guv.

I think it's fair to say, that whilst no association may exist between your use of language and the possibility that you beat up women, it seems entirely possible that it's indicative of your lack of respect for them.

Yes, it is possible. Like it's possible I build moon rockets. Not true, but possible.

[thebish]

Nearly 14,000 disabled people who rely on a specialist motoring allowance have had their cars taken away from them following government welfare changes.

Figures seen by the BBC show almost half of those having to be reassessed for this support under the changes lost their Motability vehicle.

Many had been adapted to meet their owners' needs and campaigners warn it could lead to a loss of independence.

But the government says the new process is fairer and people can appeal.

feck off tories.

[Bruce Rioja]

"People fluent". Oh do feck off and die!

[Worthy4England]

"People fluent". Oh do feck off and die!

Hahaha....I sometimes wonder (and generally ask) how many "real customers" they've dealt with outside a classroom...

[Enoch]

Yes, it is possible. Like it's possible I build moon rockets. Not true, but possible.

Is it still ok to call a bloke, a bloke, or is that passe too?

[Worthy4England]

Yes, it is possible. Like it's possible I build moon rockets. Not true, but possible.

Is it still ok to call a bloke, a bloke, or is that passe too?

Bloody caveman. Talk like that'll have us back in the dark ages.

[Bijou Bob]

Yes, it is possible. Like it's possible I build moon rockets. Not true, but possible.

Is it still ok to call a bloke, a bloke, or is that passe too?

Yes, you can call him anything you like, it's not exactly pejorative is it? Bird and tart, I would suggest, are.

To a degree, I've been hoist by my own petard this morning, except that the examples given by BP and Bruce do evidence my own prejudices. I'm not proud of them, but they do exist and rightly, I've been called out on them. I know where they come from and I do need to reflect on why I still occasionally let them get the better of my judgement.

50 years ago, the word "N*****" was common. 25 years ago, the word "P***" was heard fairly often. Racism has reduced in part because people began to challenge that language, its suitability, meaning and level of offence.

Sadly, we still live in a world where women are often regarded as chattels. Have a look round any pub on a Friday night and you'll see a nervous looking woman, stood with a bloke looking at the floor. She's doing that because to raise her eyes will possibly land her with an accusation of "looking at another bloke" and result in a battering. Women are routinely beaten, abused and tortured both physically and psychologically within relationships. This week, we've seen worse in Yorkshire. Only by challenging prejudice and pejorative language can we hope to start a process of change towards a place where insecure, pathetic men can take those insecurities out on their partners. It's only my opinion, but we can start by not calling women "Birds", "Tarts" etc etc

Sorry for the rant, it's something I feel deeply about.

[Lord Kangana]

"People fluent". Oh do feck off and die!

What, and might I enquire where, the f*ck is that being said/written?

[Bruce Rioja]

"People fluent". Oh do feck off and die!

What, and might I enquire where, the f*ck is that being said/written?

I get random job vacancies emailed to me by Linkedin, all of which are totally irrelevant and are usually deleted without being read. This morning though I noticed a company that operates in an associated field are advertising a position and made me curious, so I read it as far as - "Applicants must be people fluent....".

[Enoch]

Sorry for the rant, it's something I feel deeply about.

Knock yourself out and good luck with your demons.

[Bijou Bob]

This IS the Angry thread......

[Enoch]

Fair point, I shouldn't really be here.

[Worthy4England]

Yes, it is possible. Like it's possible I build moon rockets. Not true, but possible.

Is it still ok to call a bloke, a bloke, or is that passe too?

Yes, you can call him anything you like, it's not exactly pejorative is it? Bird and tart, I would suggest, are.

To a degree, I've been hoist by my own petard this morning, except that the examples given by BP and Bruce do evidence my own prejudices. I'm not proud of them, but they do exist and rightly, I've been called out on them. I know where they come from and I do need to reflect on why I still occasionally let them get the better of my judgement.

50 years ago, the word "N*****" was common. 25 years ago, the word "P***" was heard fairly often. Racism has reduced in part because people began to challenge that language, its suitability, meaning and level of offence.

Sadly, we still live in a world where women are often regarded as chattels. Have a look round any pub on a Friday night and you'll see a nervous looking woman, stood with a bloke looking at the floor. She's doing that because to raise her eyes will possibly land her with an accusation of "looking at another bloke" and result in a battering. Women are routinely beaten, abused and tortured both physically and psychologically within relationships. This week, we've seen worse in Yorkshire. Only by challenging prejudice and pejorative language can we hope to start a process of change towards a place where insecure, pathetic men can take those insecurities out on their partners. It's only my opinion, but we can start by not calling women "Birds", "Tarts" etc etc

Sorry for the rant, it's something I feel deeply about.

I read Enoch's original post and didn't actually think he was being remotely pejorative in the context he posted it. I'm happy for prejudice to be challenged where it exists but not on the basis that it currently is on the internet hyperbole "burn the heretic" basis.

[Harry Genshaw]

More mildly irked but some herbert on the radio yesterday was bemoaning the cost of ladies toiletries compared to men's. I switched off when he said "the female community"

[Bijou Bob]

I concur Worthy, I'm not trying to "Burn the heretic", just picking up the use of the word "Bird" which I find offensive and which I'm not sure you can use without it being pejorative in that context. I'd do the same with the other words I mentioned, I happen to think it's important that we do. There's no change without challenge.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Yes, it is possible. Like it's possible I build moon rockets. Not true, but possible.

Is it still ok to call a bloke, a bloke, or is that passe too?

Blokes are the new Guys.
That really does annoy me, "hey guys" says one woman to a 'bunch' of others in a film. Nooooooo.
[ then again 'girl' originally meant a young boy, bet you didn't know that].