The Great Art Debate
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Regardless of your fond memories the discussion is of a painting. As a painting much of the perspective and several of the attempted reflections are all to feck. As kinty pointed out his hair hairstyle takes on three new lives within one painting. Only a portrait of Donald Trump at the barbers could ever carry that off.TANGODANCER wrote:Anyway, back to Nev. This actually might be a rather clever painting. See,the Nev in the image appears much younger; different hairstyle, showing teeth and a young man look about it. It actually does resemble the younger Nev very well as I knew him, and, if that was the object, is quite a nice idea. Can't be sure, but that's how it seems to me.
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Oh, I thought I was discussing the painting, also a possible reason for the different hairstyles.?Bruce Rioja wrote:Regardless of your fond memories the discussion is of a painting. As a painting much of the perspective and several of the attempted reflections are all to feck. As kinty pointed out his hair hairstyle takes on three new lives within one painting. Only a portrait of Donald Trump at the barbers could ever carry that off.TANGODANCER wrote:Anyway, back to Nev. This actually might be a rather clever painting. See,the Nev in the image appears much younger; different hairstyle, showing teeth and a young man look about it. It actually does resemble the younger Nev very well as I knew him, and, if that was the object, is quite a nice idea. Can't be sure, but that's how it seems to me.
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Your 'possible reason for the differing hairstyles' being that 'this actually might be a rather clever painting'? Really? That stands up to no scrutiny whatsoever!TANGODANCER wrote:Oh, I thought I was discussing the painting, also a possible reason for the different hairstyles.?Bruce Rioja wrote:Regardless of your fond memories the discussion is of a painting. As a painting much of the perspective and several of the attempted reflections are all to feck. As kinty pointed out his hair hairstyle takes on three new lives within one painting. Only a portrait of Donald Trump at the barbers could ever carry that off.TANGODANCER wrote:Anyway, back to Nev. This actually might be a rather clever painting. See,the Nev in the image appears much younger; different hairstyle, showing teeth and a young man look about it. It actually does resemble the younger Nev very well as I knew him, and, if that was the object, is quite a nice idea. Can't be sure, but that's how it seems to me.
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No Bruce, my possible reason it might be clever is that if the artist is showing the subject at different ages in different views deliberately, then that might make it a bit clever.....is all. It had absolutely nothing to do with "fond memories" whatsoever? It was a view, nothing more.Bruce Rioja wrote:Your 'possible reason for the differing hairstyles' being that 'this actually might be a rather clever painting'? Really? That stands up to no scrutiny whatsoever!TANGODANCER wrote:Oh, I thought I was discussing the painting, also a possible reason for the different hairstyles.?Bruce Rioja wrote:Regardless of your fond memories the discussion is of a painting. As a painting much of the perspective and several of the attempted reflections are all to feck. As kinty pointed out his hair hairstyle takes on three new lives within one painting. Only a portrait of Donald Trump at the barbers could ever carry that off.TANGODANCER wrote:Anyway, back to Nev. This actually might be a rather clever painting. See,the Nev in the image appears much younger; different hairstyle, showing teeth and a young man look about it. It actually does resemble the younger Nev very well as I knew him, and, if that was the object, is quite a nice idea. Can't be sure, but that's how it seems to me.
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But surely the artist would want to show his/her talent by accurately depicting the reflections. To make a bollocks of them and to then claim that they were purposely painted that way in an exhibition of bit-of-cleverness butters no parsnips with me whatsoever. And that's my view.TANGODANCER wrote: No Bruce, my possible reason it might be clever is that if the artist is showing the subject at different ages in different views deliberately, then that might make it a bit clever.....is all. It had absolutely nothing to do with "fond memories" whatsoever? It was a view, nothing more.
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Butters no parsnips *double-take* butters no parsnips? Well blither my crin.
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Allow me to blither that crin, Spotty.Lost Leopard Spot wrote:Butters no parsnips *double-take* butters no parsnips? Well blither my crin.

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Bruce Rioja wrote:Allow me to blither that crin, Spotty.Lost Leopard Spot wrote:Butters no parsnips *double-take* butters no parsnips? Well blither my crin.
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"...much to the disgust of the French" - not much difference there then
"the Japanese, who referred to Europeans in general and the English in particular as 'butter-stinkers'" - wow, that hurts!
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mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:I don't even know if VVG painted any willows - as I say, the subject matter isn't critical; it's the treatment.
For the third in that sequence reminds me a bit of VVG's cypress trees (and looser, swirling style more generally).
That just looks like a giant skunk bud.............
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... with the sky as observed after consumption of said bud.
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I doubt the reflection is as 'off' as people on here are claiming. The mirror doesn't necessarily show the photo as being 'next' to his shoulder, for example, because that doesn't take account of the possibility of depth and space between them - something that does look oddly flattened in a pciture of a mirror.Bruce Rioja wrote:But surely the artist would want to show his/her talent by accurately depicting the reflections. To make a bollocks of them and to then claim that they were purposely painted that way in an exhibition of bit-of-cleverness butters no parsnips with me whatsoever. And that's my view.TANGODANCER wrote: No Bruce, my possible reason it might be clever is that if the artist is showing the subject at different ages in different views deliberately, then that might make it a bit clever.....is all. It had absolutely nothing to do with "fond memories" whatsoever? It was a view, nothing more.
I'd be interested to see a photo of the scene and I bet it wouldn't be far off.
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One of the classics of the NG collection on today's Artfinder:
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Popped along to the national gallery at lunch today. Had a look at some Monet's.
His brushstrokes really did get more wild and colourful after the 1890s....almost as if he was influenced by someone...

His brushstrokes really did get more wild and colourful after the 1890s....almost as if he was influenced by someone...

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mrkint wrote:Popped along to the national gallery at lunch today. Had a look at some Monet's.
His brushstrokes really did get more wild and colourful after the 1890s....almost as if he was influenced by someone...
my money's on Rolph Harris
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... ND he took bother over the corners.mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:One of the classics of the NG collection on today's Artfinder:
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Bravo.
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Well, Kinty probably hasn't guessed what it is yet.thebish wrote:mrkint wrote:Popped along to the national gallery at lunch today. Had a look at some Monet's.
His brushstrokes really did get more wild and colourful after the 1890s....almost as if he was influenced by someone...
my money's on Rolph Harris
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After the 1890's his eyesight was pretty poor, hence the change in stroke, composition & colour. And I've been to his house and seen that bridge, and his very nice old kitchen. Gardens aint bad either. 

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In all seriousness I really did enjoy his painting of the japanese bridge, done in his very late years. Almost like a magic eye painting that reveals more and more with every second you look at it. Something i like about that.
Also enjoyed the Execution of Lady Jane Grey (not Monet)
Also enjoyed the Execution of Lady Jane Grey (not Monet)
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I consider the aforementioned are contrasted with the Van Gogh landscapes..Although it is magnum opus. I supposed determination and usage dependably play an indispensable part in painting.
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