Brexit or Britin

[Hoboh]

I hope we can get suitable reform of the EU that will sort out this mess

Hoboh. I formally declare you a tree hugging, political elite loving, snowflake (which seems to be the new word you learned and enjoyed earlier this week). Just accept we're leaving. There will be no #Breversal.

I want us out, and I want us out now. Where's yer fcking democracy man?

I have printed this quote off, put it in a "WordArt" frame in MS Word, and it now sits proudly on my filing cabinet. Firmly affixed with Blu-tac.

Now, now, you know darned well I would never support going back into the EU, for what it's worth, I really do think it is tanked.

I remember many, many, posts ago saying I'd be happy with trading arrangements between European countries and accept certain standardisation but nothing federal, no restricting a countries ability to set its own trade deals outside of Europe, nothing political and certainly no 30 odd thousand gravy train riders.

[Hoboh]

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This has got to be a wind up!

I hope the obnoxious cnut is in the Hague first or prison.

[Lord Kangana]

Which specific bit of what he says do you disagree with hoboh?

[Hoboh]

Which specific bit of what he says do you disagree with hoboh?

I'd disagree with anything Blair has to say, if he said it was raining and it actually was, I wouldn't believe the cnut.

It's not so much what he actually says but he's trying to muscle in and influence things, even as suggested to the point of getting some role in proceedings.

I stopped voting Labour at Blair's second coming, after his first term I could see the man was a complete self obsessed prick.

[Lord Kangana]

I understand all that hobes, and i'm very much in agreement with your sentiments about the man, but it's ultimately a reasonable piece. Whether you'd want Blair doing it is another matter.

[Bruce Rioja]

Chilcott's report's due out. He'll get his.

[Lord Kangana]

When is that due out?

[Hoboh]

When is that due out?

6th July I believe

All on here

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[Worthy4England]

I'd stop predicting doom and gloom if it upset others.

What difference does it make what people predict? We're heading into an unprecedented boom with no downsides. A social and economic utopia where Britain is once great again and can fund an amazing NHS and superb public services and control immigration so that only very valuable people enter the country.

In short the good times are here now. Least that is what the leavers said. Can't wait. Surely only be a matter of days now.......

Its called self fulfilling prophecies. Like when Robert Peston warned about Northern Rock needing support, which resulted in a run on the bank and at the very least expedited their collapse. He wasn't the root cause but he made the situation worse.

Hardly an advocacy of the openness and direct accountability I was hoping for in our brave new non-cover-up world. TTIP negotiating positions all out there on a website for all to read - If the underlying economics are solid then everything will be ok. If (as happened in Northern Rock), they're a house built on shit which had then been gambled away. This is something that people who have their money in trust with that institution, shouldn't know about? It should just be covered up by the grubby bastards that put in place the policy that caused it? Beggars belief.

[Lord Kangana]

I thought it was Gordon Brown, not Robert Peston, who crashed the world economy anyway?

Or, or, was it the fault of people who didn't vote Labour and called him a shit PM?

[BWFC_Insane]

Prior to the vote, the leavers continually told us that the EU was run by hardliners, that there was no talking to them, no negotiating. That we had to pull out because it was the only way...

Now, the leavers are re-writing the whole script, just a week or two later, and telling us that actually the people really running the EU are moderates, who we can of course negotiate a good deal with and there is no need to worry....

The script changes aren't half marvellous!

[Prufrock]

1) Robert Peston caused the financial crisis - LOL

2) Corbynites pinning their hopes (and anyone thinking it tbh) on Chilcott calling Blair a liar/war criminal. LOL-er.
Omnishambles, certainly, but asking if someone thinks Blair and Bush actually *lied* about WMDs is a good litmus test I find!

[Worthy4England]

And as an aside - the budget surplus that was in the Tory manifesto by 2020 quietly slips out of the Exit door, too...

What a surprise. That's all of his "Three Golden Fiscal Rules" gone - in fairness the other two didn't even bother to wait for an exit vote.

[boltonboris]

May was a remain person.

So she wins the Tory leadership and then what? Will she carry on with the exit plan or try to renegotiate, or push for EEA and accept freedom of movement terms?

Interesting situation given that it looks like the leave campaign won't be in actual power.

I think she said unequivocally in her announcement to run, that out meant out. She did sneak in there that there should be no decision to invoke Art 50 before "the end of the year" - Clearly they want to try and get to a position where at the next General Election, they can still blame the British people and EU for any fcuk ups along the way. I'm not at all sure they won't call a snap GE if they can get enough of what "out" looks like quickly enough. Then again. I think they're shit scared of UKIP and LibDem taking seats off them...

Wouldn't another hung parliament be really good for wriggling out of decisions?

If Corbyn remains, I think a general election would be in the Tory's best interests. Adds another 2 years to term and in my opinion, Gove or May, hey'd be a shoe-in

[Prufrock]

I agree, but those in the know seem to think she doesn't fancy it. Big mistake IMO. Four years without a mandate is a long time.

[Bruce Rioja]

I thought it was Gordon Brown, not Robert Peston, who crashed the world economy anyway?

Or, or, was it the fault of people who didn't vote Labour and called him a shit PM?

I was at a dinner at Cardiff Uni a few years ago at which the key speaker, Sir David Lewis, described Brown as being "quite comprehensively the nation's worst ever Chancellor".

[Lord Kangana]

So a bit ambiguous about him then?!!

[boltonboris]

Prior to the vote, the leavers continually told us that the EU was run by hardliners, that there was no talking to them, no negotiating. That we had to pull out because it was the only way...

Now, the leavers are re-writing the whole script, just a week or two later, and telling us that actually the people really running the EU are moderates, who we can of course negotiate a good deal with and there is no need to worry....

The script changes aren't half marvellous!

Bollocks - Stop trolling and trying to be a smartarse. Trying to be clever, usually makes you look more stupid, so I'd start thinking before you post

The EU leaders are hardliners that is glaringly obvious to non-smartarses. It's the members who aren't.

Worringly, Juncker doesn't feel he needs to answer to his members (ooh err) at this stage - when others start to follow, that's when his hand will be forced

[BWFC_Insane]

Prior to the vote, the leavers continually told us that the EU was run by hardliners, that there was no talking to them, no negotiating. That we had to pull out because it was the only way...

Now, the leavers are re-writing the whole script, just a week or two later, and telling us that actually the people really running the EU are moderates, who we can of course negotiate a good deal with and there is no need to worry....

The script changes aren't half marvellous!

Bollocks - Stop trolling and trying to be a smartarse. Trying to be clever, usually makes you look more stupid, so I'd start thinking before you post

The EU leaders are hardliners that is glaringly obvious to non-smartarses. It's the members who aren't.

Worringly, Juncker doesn't feel he needs to answer to his members (ooh err) at this stage - when others start to follow, that's when his hand will be forced

Errrr, well that is my point. They were happy to bang the Juncker hardline drum pre-vote but now want to say "it's fine we'll work with Merkel et al...."

Its absolute bollocks from brexiters who want it every which way, depending upon the day of the week. Quite enjoyable pointing out how the argument has changed. Mind they've wiped all their campaign materials. Probably for the best when you've spent months spinning webs though.

[Hoboh]

Prior to the vote, the leavers continually told us that the EU was run by hardliners, that there was no talking to them, no negotiating. That we had to pull out because it was the only way...

Now, the leavers are re-writing the whole script, just a week or two later, and telling us that actually the people really running the EU are moderates, who we can of course negotiate a good deal with and there is no need to worry....

The script changes aren't half marvellous!

Bollocks - Stop trolling and trying to be a smartarse. Trying to be clever, usually makes you look more stupid, so I'd start thinking before you post

The EU leaders are hardliners that is glaringly obvious to non-smartarses. It's the members who aren't.

Worringly, Juncker doesn't feel he needs to answer to his members (ooh err) at this stage - when others start to follow, that's when his hand will be forced

Spot on mate, it's the institutional EU and it's gravy train riders that have caused all the problems, not most of the members, many who have been brow beaten into submission.
I wonder how many times behind the scene Juncker other 'officials and those before them have threatened various members.