The Politics Thread

[BWFC_Insane]

What a box of Borax politics and everything to do with them really are. The terms, costumes and rules and regulations governing everything and everyone from the Sovereign down, haven't moved on since King John was feuding with the Barons and taking rabbits and poultry as taxes. In the Year of Our Lord, 2022, we're further back than when good King Henry was re-writing divorce laws to suit himself and arguments were resolved by chopping heads off dissenters. Take a good look at our list of Prime Ministers since the second World War ended even when hanging was still considered acceptable as a punishment for crime and ask what is their use? What did they really achieve collectively when totalled?

Politics isn't about the good of the country, that's a fallacy; it's about greed and power and always will be. Maybe we should have listened to David Cameron...maybe..

Sorry TD, I've seem multiple variations on this post. What the feck are you on about? If you genuinely think none of this makes a difference, then on one hand, I applaud you, in the "big scheme of things" but right here, right now, it has an impact.

I’m quite glad for the NHS, free education, minimum wage etc…

The idea it makes no difference is laughable when folk are having to fork out hundreds of pounds extra a month cos the Tories introduced a mini budget that everyone said was a terrible idea but they did it anyway, it makes a huge difference. And this lot are below vermin. Worse than having Corbyn and McDonnell running the show. And that includes everyone who serves in this government.

[BWFC_Insane]

Oh and now it was a confidence vote again….utterly ridiculous, you couldn’t make this stuff up.

[Bruce Rioja]

Just had a chance to read Suella Braverman's resignation letter in full.

That'll be quite a swipe then?!

[BWFC_Insane]

Just had a chance to read Suella Braverman's resignation letter in full.

That'll be quite a swipe then?!

Whilst it is, Braverman is truly one of the most vile creatures ever witnessed in politics and not only that is thick as mince. So not sure she has any justification to swipe at anyone.

[Bruce Rioja]

Just had a chance to read Suella Braverman's resignation letter in full.

That'll be quite a swipe then?!

Whilst it is, Braverman is truly one of the most vile creatures ever witnessed in politics and not only that is thick as mince. So not sure she has any justification to swipe at anyone.

That's as maybe, however, I presume that the majority of the electorate will simply see the new Home Secretary having a swipe at this appalling PM on her way out.
Any further grist to the 'Truss out' mill is fine by me.

[BWFC_Insane]

Just had a chance to read Suella Braverman's resignation letter in full.

That'll be quite a swipe then?!

Whilst it is, Braverman is truly one of the most vile creatures ever witnessed in politics and not only that is thick as mince. So not sure she has any justification to swipe at anyone.

That's as maybe, however, I presume that the majority of the electorate will simply see the new Home Secretary having a swipe at this appalling PM on her way out.
Any further grist to the 'Truss out' mill is fine by me.

I take your point. But it’s like curing malaria with a shot of TB.

Personally I’m not interested in the internal shenanigans and machinations in the Tory party. Neither is the country from the sound of it. We need a general election. They can’t keep bouncing from leader to leader, chancellor to chancellor, minister to minister having left people in the gutter.

It’s time for change. No more goes round the merry go round.

If we’ve learned anything it’s that the party is so split it’s completely dysfunctional and unable to govern. Doesn’t matter who is trying to lead it anymore.

[Bruce Rioja]

Just had a chance to read Suella Braverman's resignation letter in full.

That'll be quite a swipe then?!

Whilst it is, Braverman is truly one of the most vile creatures ever witnessed in politics and not only that is thick as mince. So not sure she has any justification to swipe at anyone.

That's as maybe, however, I presume that the majority of the electorate will simply see the new Home Secretary having a swipe at this appalling PM on her way out.
Any further grist to the 'Truss out' mill is fine by me.

I take your point. But it’s like curing malaria with a shot of TB.

Personally I’m not interested in the internal shenanigans and machinations in the Tory party. Neither is the country from the sound of it. We need a general election. They can’t keep bouncing from leader to leader, chancellor to chancellor, minister to minister having left people in the gutter.

It’s time for change. No more goes round the merry go round.

If we’ve learned anything it’s that the party is so split it’s completely dysfunctional and unable to govern. Doesn’t matter who is trying to lead it anymore.

As I take yours, but I really don't believe there'll be a GM anytime soon. I may be wrong, of course, be I really can't see it.

[Hoboh]

I'll be running out of popcorn at this rate!

[Worthy4England]

I don't see the government going to the country, unless they manage to pi$$ off enough of their own in a confidence vote.

I do think we could see a PM change again, though. What money on the blonde saviour riding over the hill to "save the country and the party" as he managed to save Brexit...

[BWFC_Insane]

Just had a chance to read Suella Braverman's resignation letter in full.

That'll be quite a swipe then?!

Whilst it is, Braverman is truly one of the most vile creatures ever witnessed in politics and not only that is thick as mince. So not sure she has any justification to swipe at anyone.

That's as maybe, however, I presume that the majority of the electorate will simply see the new Home Secretary having a swipe at this appalling PM on her way out.
Any further grist to the 'Truss out' mill is fine by me.

I take your point. But it’s like curing malaria with a shot of TB.

Personally I’m not interested in the internal shenanigans and machinations in the Tory party. Neither is the country from the sound of it. We need a general election. They can’t keep bouncing from leader to leader, chancellor to chancellor, minister to minister having left people in the gutter.

It’s time for change. No more goes round the merry go round.

If we’ve learned anything it’s that the party is so split it’s completely dysfunctional and unable to govern. Doesn’t matter who is trying to lead it anymore.

As I take yours, but I really don't believe there'll be a GM anytime soon. I may be wrong, of course, be I really can't see it.

I don’t see it happening either but that in itself should be reason to criticise the government. Listening to an observer journo on the radio this morning they summed it up. The moral and ethical pressure is no overwhelmingly to have an election. There is no justification otherwise. But they won’t because they want to cling on for as long as is possible.

I suppose the point is that regardless of what they do now we need to put as much pressure on to be able to flush them down the toilet as soon as they have the good grace to let us do so. They need a massive reset. I’ve no idea how but labour have managed it so I’m sure they will too. Flush out the extremists and build around one nation conservatism. They cannot do that in office.

[BWFC_Insane]

I don't see the government going to the country, unless they manage to pi$$ off enough of their own in a confidence vote.

I do think we could see a PM change again, though. What money on the blonde saviour riding over the hill to "save the country and the party" as he managed to save Brexit...

He’s abroad making money apparently. Serving his constituents well I see….

No doubt it will be some sort of flop or someone who is currently sitting in cabinet who signed off the budget and then will pretend they didn’t….

[Worthy4England]

I don't see the government going to the country, unless they manage to pi$$ off enough of their own in a confidence vote.

I do think we could see a PM change again, though. What money on the blonde saviour riding over the hill to "save the country and the party" as he managed to save Brexit...

He’s abroad making money apparently. Serving his constituents well I see….

No doubt it will be some sort of flop or someone who is currently sitting in cabinet who signed off the budget and then will pretend they didn’t….

I'm fairly sure he didn't become PM, because of its salary, so I don't think it's about money particularly.

He'd much rather

Brexit on the rocks - saved by Boris
Government on the rocks - saved by Boris
UK on the rocks - saved by Boris

Gawd bless you Boris Churchill.

[BWFC_Insane]

I don't see the government going to the country, unless they manage to pi$$ off enough of their own in a confidence vote.

I do think we could see a PM change again, though. What money on the blonde saviour riding over the hill to "save the country and the party" as he managed to save Brexit...

He’s abroad making money apparently. Serving his constituents well I see….

No doubt it will be some sort of flop or someone who is currently sitting in cabinet who signed off the budget and then will pretend they didn’t….

I'm fairly sure he didn't become PM, because of its salary, so I don't think it's about money particularly.

He'd much rather

Brexit on the rocks - saved by Boris
Government on the rocks - saved by Boris
UK on the rocks - saved by Boris

Gawd bless you Boris Churchill.

The talk is he was in financial trouble as PM and was trying to find ways to raise money then. Since then he’s been abroad making money and his ‘sources’ say he isn’t interested in coming back anytime soon.

Be an excellent choice though as it would ensure their annihilation at the next election.

[Worthy4England]

Some sorta statement in 10 minutes...

[Bruce Rioja]

Some sorta statement in 10 minutes...

Expect a biggie - The lectern's outside No. 10

One way or t'other, this is it!

[Worthy4England]

Some sorta statement in 10 minutes...

Expect a biggie - The lectern's outside No. 10

One way or t'other, this is it!

Yup. Done. Ta ra.

[BWFC_Insane]

Another PM to be imposed on us. This time by 350 or so individuals.

General election now.

[Prufrock]

It's an absolute farce. She's fecking useless, obviously, but how do they think they're going to find someone who isn't, who they even nearly agree on?!

The Charles Walker rant was obviously funny, but notable that one of his big concerns was the mortgages of his soon to be ex-MP colleagues. With respect, get fecked.

We can't afford to be rudderless through this winter while this soap opera continues.

I also think their seeming assumption that it can't get any worse for them electorally, so best to cling on, is not as clear as they think. People aren't going to forgive a continuing farce.

[Bruce Rioja]

Another PM to be imposed on us. This time by 350 or so individuals.

General election now.

Well, at least the membership don't get to vote this time.

BTW, were you as indignant about it when GB was imposed upon us?

[Prufrock]

I know you were asking Insano, but I have no issue with there not being a GE *because* thete's a change of leader. That's not how our constitution works. You don't elect the PM, you elect your MP and along with 649 others they form a Parliament and the PM is who can commence the confidence of the house, usually the leader of the biggest party. It's historically been uncontroversial for that leader to change without a GE if that's what the commons decides.

The issue, and why this is a disgrace, to borrow a phrase, is that there isn't a Tory who can command the confidence of the house, in the sense they can form a government and run the fecking country, but there's enough of them who would back them in a confidence vote because of their self interest and knowing they'd get pasted if there was an election.