Trash!

[Worthy4England]

Just out of interest, the three kids killed in Edinburgh? Is that down to liberalism and minorities?

They'd get the same treatment too!

Planet hoboh gets fuller by the day even BWFCI is posting bullets to the head now! all we need is to educate William and the bish, find lord K a decent cooker then this trains a rolling along.

You're still never getting me !

EDIT: As for the story, it's awful, but instead of getting sidetracked with the idea of 'evil' we could talk about what makes a 14 year old do that. WHat makes anyone do that is a difficult enough question, but a child? I'd imagine Raven that's at least partly why no attempted murder.

Maybe they're just a set of c*nts?

And get a job.

They weren't born a set of c*nts though.

And I'm trying.

What I think here is a root and branch approach. They weren't born a set of c*nts, so they must've inherited it, so let's do the parents as well for being c*nts.

I am all for reform - talking about it for 15 years probably isn't the answer.

[William the White]

Oh dear!!! we really need to work on the gap between idealistic bloody students and the real world!!!
I think I'll offer Worthy the post of Education minister on planet hoboh, William may be better quailifed in that field but he's errrr a little too left leaning for my tastes, yep Worthy's a sensible chap he'll sort the mess out.

I'm busy anyway, working for the underground opposition determined to overthrow planet hoboh...

We've had three splits on matters of principle so far...

[Worthy4England]

Oh dear!!! we really need to work on the gap between idealistic bloody students and the real world!!!
I think I'll offer Worthy the post of Education minister on planet hoboh, William may be better quailifed in that field but he's errrr a little too left leaning for my tastes, yep Worthy's a sensible chap he'll sort the mess out.

I'm busy anyway, working for the underground opposition determined to overthrow planet hoboh...

We've had three splits on matters of principle so far...

And they've all been on what to name the underground movement.

[William the White]

Oh dear!!! we really need to work on the gap between idealistic bloody students and the real world!!!
I think I'll offer Worthy the post of Education minister on planet hoboh, William may be better quailifed in that field but he's errrr a little too left leaning for my tastes, yep Worthy's a sensible chap he'll sort the mess out.

I'm busy anyway, working for the underground opposition determined to overthrow planet hoboh...

We've had three splits on matters of principle so far...

And they've all been on what to name the underground movement.

Yep - the smallest faction is called the United Planet hoboh Liberation front...

[Worthy4England]

I'll send you round a bag of otters noses.

[H. Pedersen]

They'd get the same treatment too!

Planet hoboh gets fuller by the day even BWFCI is posting bullets to the head now! all we need is to educate William and the bish, find lord K a decent cooker then this trains a rolling along.

You're still never getting me !

EDIT: As for the story, it's awful, but instead of getting sidetracked with the idea of 'evil' we could talk about what makes a 14 year old do that. WHat makes anyone do that is a difficult enough question, but a child? I'd imagine Raven that's at least partly why no attempted murder.

Maybe they're just a set of c*nts?

And get a job.

They weren't born a set of c*nts though.

And I'm trying.

What I think here is a root and branch approach. They weren't born a set of c*nts, so they must've inherited it, so let's do the parents as well for being c*nts.

I am all for reform - talking about it for 15 years probably isn't the answer.

Some people really are just born evil. I don't think there's anything any parent could do that would teach their kid that throwing a baby in front of a BUS is an acceptable solution to a problem. If you don't realize that's wrong by the age of 14, there's no hope for the rest of your life.

[Bruce Rioja]

Some people really are just born evil. I don't think there's anything any parent could do that would teach their kid that throwing a baby in front of a BUS is an acceptable solution to a problem. If you don't realize that's wrong by the age of 14, there's no hope for the rest of your life.

That can only be true to a point though, can't it? Is it to do with 'evil' or valuation of life? Are there as many 'evil' let's say Dentist's kids as there are the kids of violent recidivists pro rata?

[William the White]

Some people really are just born evil. I don't think there's anything any parent could do that would teach their kid that throwing a baby in front of a BUS is an acceptable solution to a problem. If you don't realize that's wrong by the age of 14, there's no hope for the rest of your life.

That can only be true to a point though, can't it? Is it to do with 'evil' or valuation of life? Are there as many 'evil' let's say Dentist's kids as there are the kids of violent recidivists pro rata?

Oh, good, we've gone back to the middle ages... Do these born evil people ride broomsticks?

This damaged 14 year old isn't thinking of 'acceptable solutions' to anything... The whole idea of thought is probably alien to her, certainly her actions seem totally impulsive, arbitray, devoid of any kind of thinking... In another time and place she would, very likely, coo over this baby.

HP - I suspect you are right that the prospects for the rest of her life are as hopeless as the first 14 years... I don't know for sure but my guess is she didn't grow up in a wealthy family in St John's Wood with ballet lessons on Tuesdays and Thursdays... But somewhere a lot more savage and a lot more damaging... And it might be an idea to think about this before going along the wearily predictable trail of the sub-tabloid contributions of a tramp...

Just to try and pre-empt the accusations of planet hobo citizens... None of the above condones the actions of this child...

But since, in planet hobo, the hanging of 11 year olds is advocated, it's clear what passes for ideas are worth about as much as a bag of chips sicked up on Bradshawgate on a rainy Monday in February.

[Worthy4England]

Some people really are just born evil. I don't think there's anything any parent could do that would teach their kid that throwing a baby in front of a BUS is an acceptable solution to a problem. If you don't realize that's wrong by the age of 14, there's no hope for the rest of your life.

That can only be true to a point though, can't it? Is it to do with 'evil' or valuation of life? Are there as many 'evil' let's say Dentist's kids as there are the kids of violent recidivists pro rata?

Oh, good, we've gone back to the middle ages... Do these born evil people ride broomsticks?

This damaged 14 year old isn't thinking of 'acceptable solutions' to anything... The whole idea of thought is probably alien to her, certainly her actions seem totally impulsive, arbitray, devoid of any kind of thinking... In another time and place she would, very likely, coo over this baby.

HP - I suspect you are right that the prospects for the rest of her life are as hopeless as the first 14 years... I don't know for sure but my guess is she didn't grow up in a wealthy family in St John's Wood with ballet lessons on Tuesdays and Thursdays... But somewhere a lot more savage and a lot more damaging... And it might be an idea to think about this before going along the wearily predictable trail of the sub-tabloid contributions of a tramp...

Just to try and pre-empt the accusations of planet hobo citizens... None of the above condones the actions of this child...

But since, in planet hobo, the hanging of 11 year olds is advocated, it's clear what passes for ideas are worth about as much as a bag of chips sicked up on Bradshawgate on a rainy Monday in February.

Well at least on this occasion, we've only gone as far back as the middle ages. Normally we go all the way back to cavemen.

I'm with you insofar as she might be a product of the society she was born into. Plenty of people do naughty, but the concept of "right and wrong" is relatively simple. I blame lack of "believing in a godlike figure" for this and most other similar instances.


You meander round the "savage" upbringing she's may/may not have had, so can we start sterilising idiots so they can't breed?

Yours as ever controversially.

W4E - Nearly Minister for Education.

[Hoboh]

Some people really are just born evil. I don't think there's anything any parent could do that would teach their kid that throwing a baby in front of a BUS is an acceptable solution to a problem. If you don't realize that's wrong by the age of 14, there's no hope for the rest of your life.

That can only be true to a point though, can't it? Is it to do with 'evil' or valuation of life? Are there as many 'evil' let's say Dentist's kids as there are the kids of violent recidivists pro rata?

Oh, good, we've gone back to the middle ages... Do these born evil people ride broomsticks?

This damaged 14 year old isn't thinking of 'acceptable solutions' to anything... The whole idea of thought is probably alien to her, certainly her actions seem totally impulsive, arbitray, devoid of any kind of thinking... In another time and place she would, very likely, coo over this baby.

HP - I suspect you are right that the prospects for the rest of her life are as hopeless as the first 14 years... I don't know for sure but my guess is she didn't grow up in a wealthy family in St John's Wood with ballet lessons on Tuesdays and Thursdays... But somewhere a lot more savage and a lot more damaging... And it might be an idea to think about this before going along the wearily predictable trail of the sub-tabloid contributions of a tramp...

Just to try and pre-empt the accusations of planet hobo citizens... None of the above condones the actions of this child...

But since, in planet hobo, the hanging of 11 year olds is advocated, it's clear what passes for ideas are worth about as much as a bag of chips sicked up on Bradshawgate on a rainy Monday in February.

Oi sun tan kid! this tramp gets debate going was his dips into the tabloids!!

[CAPSLOCK]

Some people really are just born evil. I don't think there's anything any parent could do that would teach their kid that throwing a baby in front of a BUS is an acceptable solution to a problem. If you don't realize that's wrong by the age of 14, there's no hope for the rest of your life.

That can only be true to a point though, can't it? Is it to do with 'evil' or valuation of life? Are there as many 'evil' let's say Dentist's kids as there are the kids of violent recidivists pro rata?

Oh, good, we've gone back to the middle ages... Do these born evil people ride broomsticks?

This damaged 14 year old isn't thinking of 'acceptable solutions' to anything... The whole idea of thought is probably alien to her, certainly her actions seem totally impulsive, arbitray, devoid of any kind of thinking... In another time and place she would, very likely, coo over this baby.

HP - I suspect you are right that the prospects for the rest of her life are as hopeless as the first 14 years... I don't know for sure but my guess is she didn't grow up in a wealthy family in St John's Wood with ballet lessons on Tuesdays and Thursdays... But somewhere a lot more savage and a lot more damaging... And it might be an idea to think about this before going along the wearily predictable trail of the sub-tabloid contributions of a tramp...

Just to try and pre-empt the accusations of planet hobo citizens... None of the above condones the actions of this child...

But since, in planet hobo, the hanging of 11 year olds is advocated, it's clear what passes for ideas are worth about as much as a bag of chips sicked up on Bradshawgate on a rainy Monday in February.

Well at least on this occasion, we've only gone as far back as the middle ages. Normally we go all the way back to cavemen.

I'm with you insofar as she might be a product of the society she was born into. Plenty of people do naughty, but the concept of "right and wrong" is relatively simple. I blame lack of "believing in a godlike figure" for this and most other similar instances.


You meander round the "savage" upbringing she's may/may not have had, so can we start sterilising idiots so they can't breed?

Yours as ever controversially.

W4E - Nearly Minister for Education.

Indeed

Reproduction should not be a right

[bobo the clown]

Indeed

Reproduction should not be a right

100%.

The arguement is 'nature or nature', or a mixture of these.

If it's nature then these people should not be permitted to breed.

If it's nurture then these people should not be allowed to bring other human beings up.

Simples.

[Gary the Enfield]

Indeed

Reproduction should not be a right

100%.

The arguement is 'nature or nature', or a mixture of these.

If it's nature then these people should not be permitted to breed.

If it's nurture then these people should not be allowed to bring other human beings up.

Simples.

Oops!

Incidentally, are we basing this on geography, income or criminal history? Just so I'm sure.

I come from a very poor background and was raised in an area and a time when I didn't get piano lessons or swimming lessons or anything extra-curricular. I didn't own clothes of my own (apart from school uniform), that hadn't been handed down, until my early teens when I started buying my own.

My parents had just enough to get by. Just enough. Should they have been not allowed to breed?

[thebish]

Some people really are just born evil.

I really could not disagree more if I tried.

what do you mean by "evil"?

[thebish]

Indeed

Reproduction should not be a right

100%.

The arguement is 'nature or nature', or a mixture of these.

If it's nature then these people should not be permitted to breed.

If it's nurture then these people should not be allowed to bring other human beings up.

Simples.

it is often said. Are you proposing some kind of Ministry of Approved Parenthood? What would the criteria look like for being allowed to reproduce?

[Worthy4England]

Indeed

Reproduction should not be a right

100%.

The arguement is 'nature or nature', or a mixture of these.

If it's nature then these people should not be permitted to breed.

If it's nurture then these people should not be allowed to bring other human beings up.

Simples.

it is often said. Are you proposing some kind of Ministry of Approved Parenthood? What would the criteria look like for being allowed to reproduce?

Well let's start with at least one partner must've been a taxpayer for more than 50% of their working lives. If there's only one person, they must've been a taxpayer for 50% of their working lives, minus any statutory maternity periods...

[Prufrock]

We wanna stop poor folk having kids? FOOOOOOOK ME.

[Worthy4England]

We wanna stop poor folk having kids? FOOOOOOOK ME.

You'll never make it as a HoC script writer with responses like that.

Nobody mentioned anything to do with money.

[thebish]

We wanna stop poor folk having kids? FOOOOOOOK ME.

indeed - because (presumably) - whether or not you have paid taxes for half your working life determines whether or not your children will be "evil".

[Worthy4England]

We wanna stop poor folk having kids? FOOOOOOOK ME.

indeed - because (presumably) - whether or not you have paid taxes for half your working life determines whether or not your children will be "evil".

Not at all, but it would help in understanding whether people could actually have any chance of supporting their offspring before dumping them on the taxpayer to support.

Can we move on to the minimum of 10 O'levels clause now?