Are inbred MPs total tossers?

[Montreal Wanderer]

The main bug bare for me regarding this issue, is the political correctness gone mad. We (anglo-saxon/christian/caucasian population) suffer immensly from anti 'british culture' Political correctness. Such as shops not having christmas displays in them incase it may offend others? This is the first time it has swayed in the opposite direction, and there is uproar (well sort of)?

I would say the political correctness gone mad would be for forbidding Xmas displays, not this issue. Getting individual people to give up a religious symbol (which could equally easily be a yamakah or cross) is different from allowing a group of people to celbrate their holiday. We allow Christmas displays here, and Chanukah ones, and any others.

[CAPSLOCK]

Wasn't you I suggested was touchy

Its the political activists, in this case muslims, tories and lib dems

Also, I don't give a flying one about 'banning' hot cross buns and piggy banks

Aye, it's all bolox, but none of it matters really

Maybe its a symptom of the bigger picture though

The 'active' muslims expecting anglo saxonism to move towards them

It's gonna have to be give and take, or it aint gonna work

I see the majority of 'traditional' Brits happy to move, but a loud - minority, i dunno? - section of muslims digging their heels in

[Bwfc in the bloodline]

The main bug bare for me regarding this issue, is the political correctness gone mad. We (anglo-saxon/christian/caucasian population) suffer immensly from anti 'british culture' Political correctness. Such as shops not having christmas displays in them incase it may offend others? This is the first time it has swayed in the opposite direction, and there is uproar (well sort of)?

I would say the political correctness gone mad would be for forbidding Xmas displays, not this issue. Getting individual people to give up a religious symbol (which could equally easily be a yamakah or cross) is different from allowing a group of people to celbrate their holiday. We allow Christmas displays here, and Chanukah ones, and any others.

Moving away from the main issue which CAPSmentions above.

But how can you compare a cross with a veil? Ive never seen anyone with their total head covered by a cross. You need to stop those day trips to America?

[TANGODANCER]

. We allow Christmas displays here, and Chanukah ones, and any others.

Not to make this into a big debate, but:

I take it by "we" you mean the government Monty. That is too ridiculous for words. "Allow"? What or who a person believes in (or doesn't believe) is between them and their God, not them and the government. Christians or Anglican, Baptists or Methodists have no issues with mosques, Muslim festivals or their symbols, pictures or books or parades. We do not get all hot and bothered and complain to our MP's that these things offend us, even if the Muslim beliefs are as far from ours as Salisbury is from Mecca. We do not complain about Jewish traditions or religion, dress or beliefs although they are as far away as Jerusalem from our own in the main.

We are happy to let them all go their own path and believe in what they wish. Why then, should we be restricted in any way from our own beliefs in, yes I'll say it, our own country: A basically Christian country (although certainly not fanatically so) that is now in danger of having its history and religion banned because it offends the beliefs of people of another land. A man who doesn't swear an awful lot, I might just be pushed into saying "What the fxxx's going on here.

I am a Christian, I believe in God, Jesus Christ, Christmas, Easter and all the rest of common Christian beliefs. I neither ask nor tell anyone they must do the same, and respect their rights to do as they wish. I sincerely hope that no one ever tries to forbid me to follow my own path. I really, really do. There are an awful lot of people who, although they don't say much, feel exactly the same. We are not a demonstrative nation in these issues. Let's hope it stays that way.

[Montreal Wanderer]

. We allow Christmas displays here, and Chanukah ones, and any others.

Not to make this into a big debate, but:

I take it by "we" you mean the government Monty. That is too ridiculous for words. "Allow"? What or who a person believes in (or doesn't believe) is between them and their God, not them and the government. Christians or Anglican, Baptists or Methodists have no issues with mosques, Muslim festivals or their symbols, pictures or books or parades. We do not get all hot and bothered and complain to our MP's that these things offend us, even if the Muslim beliefs are as far from ours as Salisbury is from Mecca. We do not complain about Jewish traditions or religion, dress or beliefs although they are as far away as Jerusalem from our own in the main.

I was replying to bwfc in the bloodline who implied shops in the UK were not allowed to put on Christmas displays because of political correctness gone mad. Instead of saying "we allow" I should perhaps have said "Here there is no prohibition on Christmas display or displays representing other beliefs such as minoras (big ones) at Chanukah". In other words we do not believe that such displays give offence to people of other religions. There is no government regulation at all. You say "we do not get all hot and bothered....etc." but bwfc in the bloodline said otherwise. If s/he is incorrect that is another matter. S/he wrote:

The main bug bare for me regarding this issue, is the political correctness gone mad. We (anglo-saxon/christian/caucasian population) suffer immensly from anti 'british culture' Political correctness. Such as shops not having christmas displays in them incase it may offend others? This is the first time it has swayed in the opposite direction, and there is uproar (well sort of)?

Does that not imply to you that people do get hot and bothered over the issue?

[TANGODANCER]

The main bug bare for me regarding this issue, is the political correctness gone mad. We (anglo-saxon/christian/caucasian population) suffer immensly from anti 'british culture' Political correctness. Such as shops not having christmas displays in them incase it may offend others? This is the first time it has swayed in the opposite direction, and there is uproar (well sort of)?

Does that not imply to you that people do get hot and bothered over the issue?

Rather the opposite Monty. It isn't us that I understood our friend to say were getting hot and bothered, but the Muslim community. Look at the back row of any altercation and always the old chestnut -religion motivated power struggles- is there. We should put the past behind us, but always it rears its head in the form of religious issues. I'm sure you've studied the history of Spain; the Almohads and Almoravids etc etc etc. Eight hundred years of fighting between Muslim and Christian and one Muslim factor fighting another. The leading emblem at the front of the armies was always the cross and the crescent. Two thousand years after the time of Christ, what exactly has changed? Religion is still the prime motivator. The Church of England was formed by Henry VIII for his own ends. He forsook the Pope and Christianity, but wouldn't abandon God. He's too useful an ally not to use. If Henry had gone ahead forsaking God instead of just the Papacy it would have been his head on the block, not his wives.

Ah, what the hell, rant over. Peace in the valley.

[burnden58]

I have in the course of my work had to speak to some female muslim teachers. They all had their faces covered due to the fact that I was a male. The problem I had was when they left the room and then came back in again, I didn't know which one I had been talking to making it difficult to get my point across.

[50sQuiff]

He's Leader of The House, I think

Straw represents an area with a high asian (dunno whether its muslim) population

He's saying to the muslims that theyre going to have to work harder to be part of our country

Extremists are driving a wedge between the communities

It's going to be very easy to suck moderates in if the various parties don't put some serious effort in soon

I applaud Straw

As i applauded Reid (I think he was the one who asked parents to keep an eye on their kids)

FFS stop being so bloody touchy

Theres a hellish amount of fear of what muslims are up to

Most of it misguided, ignorant even

But it's there

I'm one of the tolerant ones, taking folk as they come, but its like treading on egg shells at the moment

I agree with your sentiments, as I agree with Straw's. I admire Straw, for a Labour MP anyway. However one should be able to visit an elected representative dressed however you see fit (within the law). He's picking the wrong battle here.

Reid's comments were absolutely ridiculous however. He is a truly vulgar authoratarian populist and as much as I find Gordon Brown repulsive, I hope Reid challenges for the leadership and Brown buries him.

[InsaneApache]

Is he really picking the wrong battle?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 78,00.html

A MALE suspect in a major anti-terrorist investigation in Britain escaped capture by allegedly disguising himself as a Muslim woman dressed in a burka, The Times can reveal.

I had no problem with the way people want to dress, hell as an x-punk I know how idiotic people can be when confronted with uncoventional attire.....now I'm not so certain.

[Bruce Rioja]

I seem to recall, although I can't seem to find any evidence of it but I'm sure that the selling of Balaclavas was banned in Britain around 25 years ago. Maybe it just got proposed and never passed, I don't know, though I do recall rushing out and buying one whilst I still could to keep my head warm when delivering milk on Winter's mornings. Anyway, does anyone whether or not it's legal to buy/own/wear in public a Balaclava?

[sluffy]

Anyway, does anyone whether or not it's legal to buy/own/wear in public a Balaclava?

They seem to still be selling them in Norfolk!

Whipperleys, Homefield, Anchor Street, Tunstead, Norfolk, NR12 8HR -



http://www.whipperleys.co.uk/acatalog/b ... lavas.html

[Bwfc in the bloodline]

I think this particular issue is a very small part of the underlying tension.

I think something has got to be done sooner or later regarding the general situation.

Dare i say it, sometimes i wonder what England is anymore ??? I walk around the streets and think to myself, where are all the white people. and if for saying that i am racist then call me a racist because its true and ive got the guts to say it.

If i was an MP i'd call for a blanket ban on any kind of immigrant economic migrant you name it id ban it. How over populated is this country anyway ??

Yesturday i was talking to someone who was over here visiting family, and he was shocked his first impression of Bolton was to say to me, why is there more people of asain dissent living here than English people

[Bwfc in the bloodline]

The White peoples community award!! I wonder if the Black and Asian community will oppose to a Awards Ceremony completely for people of White orientation.

http://www.thisisbolton.co.uk/display.v ... munity.php

[Gertie]

Hey it's alright BWFCBloodline - some of my family from Bolton have left England to live in Canada. (2 adults and 4 children) thus making room.

Plus my immigrant grandparents did the decent thing and died so aren't taking up any more of England's precious resources.

My immigrant mother is still alive, but she now lives in Carlisle so hopefully isn't causing anyone in Bolton offence with her non-English heritage.

[Loyal White]

The White peoples community award!! I wonder if the Black and Asian community will oppose to a Awards Ceremony completely for people of White orientation.

http://www.thisisbolton.co.uk/display.v ... munity.php

This is what winds me up, if we did turn around and have a "English people's award" there would be absolute uproar...

It really is PC gone mad - I found out last night that children can't sing 'ba ba black sheep' anymore... seriously what the f**k?! - it's hardly going to be fecking pink is it?!

[TANGODANCER]

Anyway, does anyone whether or not it's legal to buy/own/wear in public a Balaclava?

They seem to still be selling them in Norfolk!

Whipperleys, Homefield, Anchor Street, Tunstead, Norfolk, NR12 8HR -



http://www.whipperleys.co.uk/acatalog/b ... lavas.html

The original balaclavas we wore as kids had an open face, the idea being to keep your neck and ears warm, not come across as Zorro. Today's versions are nothing moor than identity disguisers. You only do that if you are up to no good.

[Bruce Rioja]

I think this particular issue is a very small part of the underlying tension.

I think something has got to be done sooner or later regarding the general situation.

Dare i say it, sometimes i wonder what England is anymore ??? I walk around the streets and think to myself, where are all the white people. and if for saying that i am racist then call me a racist because its true and ive got the guts to say it.

If i was an MP i'd call for a blanket ban on any kind of immigrant economic migrant you name it id ban it. How over populated is this country anyway ??

Yesturday i was talking to someone who was over here visiting family, and he was shocked his first impression of Bolton was to say to me, why is there more people of asain dissent living here than English people

Taker a closer look at your bloodline. You might find that there's a little more than just BWFC in it.

[Bwfc in the bloodline]

Hey it's alright BWFCBloodline - some of my family from Bolton have left England to live in Canada. (2 adults and 4 children) thus making room.

Plus my immigrant grandparents did the decent thing and died so aren't taking up any more of England's precious resources.

My immigrant mother is still alive, but she now lives in Carlisle so hopefully isn't causing anyone in Bolton offence with her non-English heritage.

You have missed my point exactly, im not saying immigration was bad, i think there should be no-more. Im not suggesting people who have come to live here should go back!!

And yes, there are alot of people moving away to spain australia canada etc, this is because England has become crap!!

[TANGODANCER]

The White peoples community award!! I wonder if the Black and Asian community will oppose to a Awards Ceremony completely for people of White orientation.

http://www.thisisbolton.co.uk/display.v ... munity.php

This is what winds me up, if we did turn around and have a "English people's award" there would be absolute uproar...

It really is PC gone mad - I found out last night that children can't sing 'ba ba black sheep' anymore... seriously what the f**k?! - it's hardly going to be fecking pink is it?!

You're way behing the times LW. We had a big debate about this months ago. Apparently, they now have to sing "Rainbow Sheep". Lunacy.

[Bwfc in the bloodline]

The Majority dont rule anymore, the majority have to constantly bow to the needs and wants of minoritys!

BR - im decended from Irish who came here over 150 years ago. And beleive it or not they didnt get preferential treatment for being Irish!