The Great Art Debate

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I don't think I know Venus and Mars. I'm off to google it now...

[Gooner Girl]

I don't think I know Venus and Mars. I'm off to google it now...

Its ok, always happy to help...

[Montreal Wanderer]

Bloody gooner! Broke my screen.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

LLS - to return to something a bit lighter than another thread you are engaged in.

I now have the new infomation that Capri is traditionally thought of as being where the sirens in Homer's Odyssey hung out.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

For example: " When Homer wrote about Ulysses’s adventures in Odyssey, he also mentioned the sirens of Sicily and the nearby rocky islands. Moreover, other Greek poets, such as Virgil, cited the island of Capreae as a place from where seamen would not return, once seduced by the singing of the sirens.

Nowadays it is believed that the Scoglio delle Sirene (siren’s rock), laid between two of the most beautiful beaches in Capri’s southern coast, is probably part of some 19th century scholar’s fantasies on Ancient Literature."

http://www.farandfurther.com/amalfi-coa ... sirens.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This source notes in more scientific way:

"After leaving the island of Circe, Odysseus passes by the Sirens, traditionally placed at Capri (14°17’E)"

http://www.metrum.org/mapping/navigations.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

The features in Waterhouse's painting 'The Siren' are interesting:



And the legend written in other places is that the Faraglioni of Capri are the Sirens turned to stone after Odysseus out-witted them.

[Montreal Wanderer]

For example: " When Homer wrote about Ulysses’s adventures in Odyssey, he also mentioned the sirens of Sicily and the nearby rocky islands. Moreover, other Greek poets, such as Virgil, cited the island of Capreae as a place from where seamen would not return, once seduced by the singing of the sirens.

Nowadays it is believed that the Scoglio delle Sirene (siren’s rock), laid between two of the most beautiful beaches in Capri’s southern coast, is probably part of some 19th century scholar’s fantasies on Ancient Literature."

http://www.farandfurther.com/amalfi-coa ... sirens.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This source notes in more scientific way:

"After leaving the island of Circe, Odysseus passes by the Sirens, traditionally placed at Capri (14°17’E)"

http://www.metrum.org/mapping/navigations.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Yes, that was copied a bit quickly!

[Montreal Wanderer]

Yes, that was copied a bit quickly!

It tends to shake the faith in other assertions....

[thebish]

Moreover, other Greek poets, such as Virgil...

[TANGODANCER]

The features in Waterhouse's painting 'The Siren' are interesting:



And the legend written in other places is that the Faraglioni of Capri are the Sirens turned to stone after Odysseus out-witted them.

Nice to see folk coming back to appreciating real paintings..

[Prufrock]

She's got a cracking lyre.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

LLS - to return to something a bit lighter than another thread you are engaged in.

I now have the new infomation that Capri is traditionally thought of as being where the sirens in Homer's Odyssey hung out.

Right, I've just this second read this on here, and before googling anything or looking anything up I'd like to declare that we might have to debate this as (memory only) it was my understanding that Odysseus took a ten year journey on his way back to his homeland (of Ithaca?) and that he journeyed via the Black Sea to Colchis, and then around to the Crimea and then on to the Peloponnese and the Ionian islands to Ithaca (which was somewhere near modern day Spljt). My memory may be wrong, and Capri was certainly within the Greek sphere as it was a staging post on the way to greek Marseille, but it seems an unnecessary diversion from the odyssey to go further west. Ah, hang on, am I conflating this with Jason?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

She's got a cracking lyre.

[thebish]

LLS - to return to something a bit lighter than another thread you are engaged in.

I now have the new infomation that Capri is traditionally thought of as being where the sirens in Homer's Odyssey hung out.

Right, I've just this second read this on here, and before googling anything or looking anything up I'd like to declare that we might have to debate this as (memory only) it was my understanding that Odysseus took a ten year journey on his way back to his homeland (of Ithaca?) and that he journeyed via the Black Sea to Colchis, and then around to the Crimea and then on to the Peloponnese and the Ionian islands to Ithaca (which was somewhere near modern day Spljt). My memory may be wrong, and Capri was certainly within the Greek sphere as it was a staging post on the way to greek Marseille, but it seems an unnecessary diversion from the odyssey to go further west. Ah, hang on, am I conflating this with Jason?

Jason fought the regenerating skelingtons...

[Lost Leopard Spot]

LLS - to return to something a bit lighter than another thread you are engaged in.

I now have the new infomation that Capri is traditionally thought of as being where the sirens in Homer's Odyssey hung out.

Right, I've just this second read this on here, and before googling anything or looking anything up I'd like to declare that we might have to debate this as (memory only) it was my understanding that Odysseus took a ten year journey on his way back to his homeland (of Ithaca?) and that he journeyed via the Black Sea to Colchis, and then around to the Crimea and then on to the Peloponnese and the Ionian islands to Ithaca (which was somewhere near modern day Spljt). My memory may be wrong, and Capri was certainly within the Greek sphere as it was a staging post on the way to greek Marseille, but it seems an unnecessary diversion from the odyssey to go further west. Ah, hang on, am I conflating this with Jason?

Jason fought the regenerating skelingtons...

Aye. But where?

[TANGODANCER]

LLS - to return to something a bit lighter than another thread you are engaged in.

I now have the new infomation that Capri is traditionally thought of as being where the sirens in Homer's Odyssey hung out.

Right, I've just this second read this on here, and before googling anything or looking anything up I'd like to declare that we might have to debate this as (memory only) it was my understanding that Odysseus took a ten year journey on his way back to his homeland (of Ithaca?) and that he journeyed via the Black Sea to Colchis, and then around to the Crimea and then on to the Peloponnese and the Ionian islands to Ithaca (which was somewhere near modern day Spljt). My memory may be wrong, and Capri was certainly within the Greek sphere as it was a staging post on the way to greek Marseille, but it seems an unnecessary diversion from the odyssey to go further west. Ah, hang on, am I conflating this with Jason?

Jason fought the regenerating skelingtons...

Aye. But where?

ITV Christmas morning....for years..

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I've read a bit more, I was putting Jason in to the same boat as Odysseus. So no debate then mummy...or rather I have no objection to the theory.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I've read a bit more, I was putting Jason in to the same boat as Odysseus. So no debate then mummy...or rather I have no objection to the theory.

I'm not sure this adds very much... it's just interesting to note that Capri is traditionally thought of as being part of Odysseus's journey, especially by artists and writers in the 19th centrury.

[bobo the clown]

I've read a bit more, I was putting Jason in to the same boat as Odysseus. So no debate then mummy...or rather I have no objection to the theory.

I'm not sure this adds very much... it's just interesting to note that Capri is traditionally thought of as being part of Odysseus's journey, especially by artists and writers in the 19th centrury.

Here you go ...