The Politics Thread

[BWFC_Insane]

Good post that. I think a few things I’d say is that most of the things phenomenons described in the numbered points are since 2007. Before that we had a few decades of relatively high growth, low inflation (with some notable exceptions) and wage growth. One might argue that we’ve reverted to something more normal than the 85-2007 period. Or maybe we’ve caused a lot of it. But either way I think the argument that late stage Thatcherite capitalism is killing us is accurate.

The problem I have though is for example the oil and gas giants - we need their product. It’s essential. They are massive multinationals and we as a nation have no power over costs nor are we able to unilaterally decide to fix the costs. So short of what we have done - I’m not sure what else you can do? Unless most countries cooperate and fix the market which seems unrealistic to me what can the UK do? Short of the price cap which of course costs us money…and that’s a whole other issue.?

[Worthy4England]

For sure no easy fix, and maybe no fix at all, mate. But the problem is they're currently quite happy with politically motivated individuals to be slagging each other off, rather than watching what they're doing. Some of the shit Musk appears to be undertaking in the US is really quite sinister, getting hold of individuals deets. I mean it's not like people said "hmmm autocrats, that might not be a great idea!"...

[BWFC_Insane]

For sure no easy fix, and maybe no fix at all, mate. But the problem is they're currently quite happy with politically motivated individuals to be slagging each other off, rather than watching what they're doing. Some of the shit Musk appears to be undertaking in the US is really quite sinister, getting hold of individuals deets. I mean it's not like people said "hmmm autocrats, that might not be a great idea!"...

Yep indeed. I mean Musk the richest man in the world running a country under he auspices of ‘not being an elite and being for the people’ is about as ironic as you get. Also as dangerous as you get.

On another note it’s hilarious how gilts continue to drop as growth expectations lower - yet when gilts were rising people said Reeves needed a growth plan to bring them down….almost like most people haven’t got a clue what they are talking about. I fear we are in a doom loop of deliberate misinformation leading to fascism.

[Hoboh]

"Welcome to HMP Luxury Living: The £1billion prison plan sparking outrage over its orchard, amphitheatre steps and owl nesting boxes - all for the violent prisoners' 'mental health and wellbeing'. The price tag for HMP Glasgow, which will replace the city's infamous Barlinnie Prison, has risen ten-fold since the original estimates - prompting anger over 'nonsense' additions including landscaped gardens.
HMP Glasgow will be 'net zero' and 'trauma-informed', meaning it will be designed to recognise the trauma suffered by criminals."

Yes Worthy, before you start, it is copy and paste, a quote.

Just goes to show the liebour party don't hold exclusive rights to stupidity and winding up citizens.

[Worthy4England]

Well of course not Hoboh, I could talk about the stupidity of the Tories for some considerable time...

[BWFC_Insane]

"Welcome to HMP Luxury Living: The £1billion prison plan sparking outrage over its orchard, amphitheatre steps and owl nesting boxes - all for the violent prisoners' 'mental health and wellbeing'. The price tag for HMP Glasgow, which will replace the city's infamous Barlinnie Prison, has risen ten-fold since the original estimates - prompting anger over 'nonsense' additions including landscaped gardens.
HMP Glasgow will be 'net zero' and 'trauma-informed', meaning it will be designed to recognise the trauma suffered by criminals."

Yes Worthy, before you start, it is copy and paste, a quote.

Just goes to show the liebour party don't hold exclusive rights to stupidity and winding up citizens.

You want to talk about lies - the prison was originally planned in full in 2019 to cost £400M. It now will cost a billion. Quite a bit of that increase is due to inflation. I’m sure that you don’t expect construction firms to magically work at 2019 prices. But the other significant fact is that the planned capacity has been near doubled. So five years inflation, near double capacity.

It hasn’t increased in price ten fold beyond some very spurious use of auditor figures from 2014.

The cost has nothing to do with ‘orchards’ or owt else. And the fact some nobheads are trying to pretend it does is symptomatic of modern day rubbish.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

To be fair, if the SNP have anything to do with this stuff they do have form. Still waiting for that ferry here on Skye. The ferry we're now not going to get and a pier was upgraded at great cost for.

[BWFC_Insane]

To be fair, if the SNP have anything to do with this stuff they do have form. Still waiting for that ferry here on Skye. The ferry we're now not going to get and a pier was upgraded at great cost for.

British infrastructure projects are all a total mess. We know that. I don’t think it matters whether that’s Tory, Labour or SNP. We need to sort this out and have done for decades. The current government are at least trying, though simply haven’t got enough money to really do it. It’s what holds back our economy. We have been supply side constrained now for a long time and it takes years to do anything.

Simple comparison there are some roadworks here that take months even a year. That in other European places such as Germany can be done in a matter of weeks. Think of all the productivity impacts. Both direct and indirect.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

To be fair, if the SNP have anything to do with this stuff they do have form. Still waiting for that ferry here on Skye. The ferry we're now not going to get and a pier was upgraded at great cost for.

British infrastructure projects are all a total mess. We know that. I don’t think it matters whether that’s Tory, Labour or SNP. We need to sort this out and have done for decades. The current government are at least trying, though simply haven’t got enough money to really do it. It’s what holds back our economy. We have been supply side constrained now for a long time and it takes years to do anything.

Simple comparison there are some roadworks here that take months even a year. That in other European places such as Germany can be done in a matter of weeks. Think of all the productivity impacts. Both direct and indirect.

The ferry fiasco is especially special. I mean, its 2 ferries, how fecking hard can it be?

[Hoboh]

To be fair, if the SNP have anything to do with this stuff they do have form. Still waiting for that ferry here on Skye. The ferry we're now not going to get and a pier was upgraded at great cost for.

British infrastructure projects are all a total mess. We know that. I don’t think it matters whether that’s Tory, Labour or SNP. We need to sort this out and have done for decades. The current government are at least trying, though simply haven’t got enough money to really do it. It’s what holds back our economy. We have been supply side constrained now for a long time and it takes years to do anything.

Simple comparison there are some roadworks here that take months even a year. That in other European places such as Germany can be done in a matter of weeks. Think of all the productivity impacts. Both direct and indirect.

The ferry fiasco is especially special. I mean, its 2 ferries, how fecking hard can it be?

If they ever surface, opps no pun intended, let's hope they don't leak or have prop problems like two other boats.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

If they ever surface, opps no pun intended, let's hope they don't leak or have prop problems like two other boats.

We wont be seeing them here. After the pier conversion works were well underway they decided the new ferries would go elsewhere. The new ferries are supposed to be hybrid and they were installing some sort of gas terminal at the pier. I'm sure that hasn't cost any money to back out of! We're now getting 2 new ferries from Turkey, that look like taking about 5 years less to build

Meanwhile the predictable storm damage to the pier is costing a fortune to fix (under spec for typical storms we get), along with storm damage to shoreline property due to the land reclamation.

[Hoboh]

The new health minister,Ashley Dalton, previously called for an end to same-sex toilets, suggested females can have penises, and backed people identifying as llamas, it was revealed today.

[TANGODANCER]

The new health minister,Ashley Dalton, previously called for an end to same-sex toilets, suggested females can have penises, and backed people identifying as llamas, it was revealed today.

On the subject of politics, a far wiser man than I, once said:

"Myself when young, did eagerly frequent,
Doctors and saints and heard great argument,
Above it and about it and evermore,
Came out through the same door as in I went."...........Omar Khayyam 12 century.

[Worthy4England]

The new health minister,Ashley Dalton, previously called for an end to same-sex toilets, suggested females can have penises, and backed people identifying as llamas, it was revealed today.

Thanks for drawing my attention to another exciting Daily Mail article. I seem to manage to not have to read them anywhere in my life, other that when you cut and paste them on here! Dunno how I'd have coped.

G'wan then, let's have a go. My local battle cruiser has two porcelain pots in it, no stones - that's it, for a (pretty small) boozer. One is marked women and one is marked men. When it gets busy, given they are both just porcelain holes in the fcuking ground, guess what happens? People use whichever one they can get in.

Females can and do have penises. they can have a strapedictomy...

[Hoboh]

The new health minister,Ashley Dalton, previously called for an end to same-sex toilets, suggested females can have penises, and backed people identifying as llamas, it was revealed today.

Thanks for drawing my attention to another exciting Daily Mail article. I seem to manage to not have to read them anywhere in my life, other that when you cut and paste them on here! Dunno how I'd have coped.

G'wan then, let's have a go. My local battle cruiser has two porcelain pots in it, no stones - that's it, for a (pretty small) boozer. One is marked women and one is marked men. When it gets busy, given they are both just porcelain holes in the fcuking ground, guess what happens? People use whichever one they can get in.

Females can and do have penises. they can have a strapedictomy...

Typical, I knew you'd ignore the Llamas!

Seriously though, are you trying to say folk like this represent your, and the majorities views? Don't forget 2tier was going to have a clear, clean government and so far, like others, it ain't.

[Worthy4England]

Well - the Llamas, as far as I can tell is quite a wierd reference without any context - remember that context thing? So I didn't feel it was worth mentioning.

As for whether they represent my views, well a little in yes and a little in no. And a lot of things I can't get too excited about. Like most politicians.

We don't canvas "the majorities views" generally outside of general elections, where this government got - dunno how to tell you this a majority of people who could be arsed voting. Are you suggesting every bit of legislation should go to "the people?" that's gonna get expensive...

Also, unless she passes some legislation that touches upon any of the topics you mention (like say Llama conversion therapy on the NHS), it sorta doesn't matter to me

[Hoboh]

Well - the Llamas, as far as I can tell is quite a wierd reference without any context - remember that context thing? So I didn't feel it was worth mentioning.

As for whether they represent my views, well a little in yes and a little in no. And a lot of things I can't get too excited about. Like most politicians.

We don't canvas "the majorities views" generally outside of general elections, where this government got - dunno how to tell you this a majority of people who could be arsed voting. Are you suggesting every bit of legislation should go to "the people?" that's gonna get expensive...

Also, unless she passes some legislation that touches upon any of the topics you mention (like say Llama conversion therapy on the NHS), it sorta doesn't matter to me

You miss the point If people are allowed to identify as Llamas, the NHS will have to employ vets.

[boltonboris]

Do they genuinely think a comment about identifying as a Llama was in any way serious?

[Worthy4England]

Do they genuinely think a comment about identifying as a Llama was in any way serious?

Yes. There's been posts and indignation.

[Hoboh]

Do they genuinely think a comment about identifying as a Llama was in any way serious?

Yes. There's been posts and indignation.

It's so true, apparently they now have a medical term for the nutjobs, 'species dysphoria'.

These non human, humans break down into two groups, therians, people who identify as non-human animals on a deep level and engage in behaviours associated with their animal identity, and furries, who see their animal persona as a character with or without a sexual element.

And whilst we are on, only the UK's warped legal system could grant entry to the UK for a Palestinian family of six, from Gaza, to join a brother under now ended rights for Ukrainians fleeing Putins tools.