The Politics Thread

[BWFC_Insane]

Different electorates. Canada is broadly 50/50 on elections since 1980. Aus is weighted towards Labour wins. Over the same time we're pretty much opposite, weighted towards Tories. If your voter base is more inclined to vote "Labour/Liberal" and orange nepo-baby turns up in the US, that's likely to help get your vote out.

They could introduce PR....

I think that’s probably generous on Australia - the right have won 7 out of 10 before the latest one. So there has been a clear trend rightwards there.

My point is that Albanese was dead and buried but now he’s not. Lots tends to happen. I struggle to see an easy route for Labour and tbh said as much pre election. Winning was important but we are in a world where incumbents are being battered generally.

[Worthy4England]

Mighta got 'em arse about tit. Aus around 50/50 since 1980, Canada weighted to Liberal. Apols. Over a shorter term, you could contend that UK Labour won 4 out of the last 8 with one hung, but I don't for one minute think we've moved left. Labour moved right.

[Hoboh]

Aus labour is far from UK labour, Trump sealed it Canada.
The next UK election in terms of parties depends on a good, proper leader, I don't see one. As for policies, to be honest, there is little other than different rhetoric between them.

Let's be honest, figures on paper that represent wealth are false, the only thing of real value are assets and rare minerals, gold etc. I pee myself at David Beckham being able to fill a lorry with £150 million in cash, he ain't got it.

[Worthy4England]

Property is an asset. That's where they estimate Beckhams have about $150m worth...I don't get the point you're trying to make.

[BWFC_Insane]

Aus labour is far from UK labour, Trump sealed it Canada.
The next UK election in terms of parties depends on a good, proper leader, I don't see one. As for policies, to be honest, there is little other than different rhetoric between them.

Let's be honest, figures on paper that represent wealth are false, the only thing of real value are assets and rare minerals, gold etc. I pee myself at David Beckham being able to fill a lorry with £150 million in cash, he ain't got it.

Australia is far from the UK but Albanese’s Labour and starmers are pretty similar.

[Hoboh]

Property is an asset. That's where they estimate Beckhams have about $150m worth...I don't get the point you're trying to make.

Simply, that the world finances are simply manipulation that suits certain benefactors, it isn't really real hence the ups and downs it brings.
Let's be honest, there is a massive difference between shareholders and investors for one, shareholders hold theoretical bits of paper in a company taking out dividends on money they usually pay to the last holder, investors actually put money into the business. I4t's all a huge scam, much like crypto currency.

[Hoboh]

Aus labour is far from UK labour, Trump sealed it Canada.
The next UK election in terms of parties depends on a good, proper leader, I don't see one. As for policies, to be honest, there is little other than different rhetoric between them.

Let's be honest, figures on paper that represent wealth are false, the only thing of real value are assets and rare minerals, gold etc. I pee myself at David Beckham being able to fill a lorry with £150 million in cash, he ain't got it.

Australia is far from the UK but Albanese’s Labour and starmers are pretty similar.

Really?
Then why do we not control migration like the Aussies?

[Worthy4England]

Property is an asset. That's where they estimate Beckhams have about $150m worth...I don't get the point you're trying to make.

Simply, that the world finances are simply manipulation that suits certain benefactors, it isn't really real hence the ups and downs it brings.
Let's be honest, there is a massive difference between shareholders and investors for one, shareholders hold theoretical bits of paper in a company taking out dividends on money they usually pay to the last holder, investors actually put money into the business. I4t's all a huge scam, much like crypto currency.

Agree on the point. Property owned by Beckhams or anyone else aren't generally stock assets...sure there's still market forces. But you were talking about Beckham not general shareholders.

Good job we were forced into stock market pensions in the 80's guarenteeing a monthly influx of our cash (cash also being a token of wealth). Demography will catch up.

[Worthy4England]

Aus labour is far from UK labour, Trump sealed it Canada.
The next UK election in terms of parties depends on a good, proper leader, I don't see one. As for policies, to be honest, there is little other than different rhetoric between them.

Let's be honest, figures on paper that represent wealth are false, the only thing of real value are assets and rare minerals, gold etc. I pee myself at David Beckham being able to fill a lorry with £150 million in cash, he ain't got it.

Australia is far from the UK but Albanese’s Labour and starmers are pretty similar.

Really?
Then why do we not control migration like the Aussies?

Because 30% of their population is immigrants and we don't want that many?

I agree there isn't much comparison. I think it would be a big mistake for Labour to think they were elected on the strength of their manifesto. They were elected mainly for not being the Tories.

[Hoboh]

Property is an asset. That's where they estimate Beckhams have about $150m worth...I don't get the point you're trying to make.

Simply, that the world finances are simply manipulation that suits certain benefactors, it isn't really real hence the ups and downs it brings.
Let's be honest, there is a massive difference between shareholders and investors for one, shareholders hold theoretical bits of paper in a company taking out dividends on money they usually pay to the last holder, investors actually put money into the business. I4t's all a huge scam, much like crypto currency.

Agree on the point. Property owned by Beckhams or anyone else aren't generally stock assets...sure there's still market forces. But you were talking about Beckham not general shareholders.

Good job we were forced into stock market pensions in the 80's guarenteeing a monthly influx of our cash (cash also being a token of wealth). Demography will catch up.

See, my main point is, how come a few thousand smack heads working for a minority of others as well as lining their own pockets sat around computers can dictated how the world economy and individual is run

[Worthy4England]

Short answer is if it's a free market you're trusting "the market" that you're allegedly not interfering with to value youe economy and it was structured that way. Financial services was made King, politicians are in a short term job so they pretty much have to respond through policy change. I've mentioned QE before. No one gave any central bank money, they just set the printers running.

The second bit, is there is generally no comeback on financial institutions or traders. 2008 governments just said taxpayer, save these banks. Could people get money out of Northern Rock? No, because they don't have it. Traders can make money either way rising or falling markets, so they're ok too.

Deregulated markets. What a wonderful thing.

[Worthy4England]

Hold on a mo. This is part of Rupert's lunatic bill to bring back the gold standard, innit?

I own a gold mine, Rupert? Along with Aaron...

Nigel paid £189k by gold mining interests and Tice capital promoting be benfits of gold investment?


Hahahahahahahahaha...

[BWFC_Insane]

Short answer is if it's a free market you're trusting "the market" that you're allegedly not interfering with to value youe economy and it was structured that way. Financial services was made King, politicians are in a short term job so they pretty much have to respond through policy change. I've mentioned QE before. No one gave any central bank money, they just set the printers running.

The second bit, is there is generally no comeback on financial institutions or traders. 2008 governments just said taxpayer, save these banks. Could people get money out of Northern Rock? No, because they don't have it. Traders can make money either way rising or falling markets, so they're ok too.

Deregulated markets. What a wonderful thing.

How much did likes of JRM make shorting the pound post Brexit vote? Classic misdirection. Find someone to blame and hope the masses fall for it whilst over here we transfer yet more wealth upwards.

Although mainly unintentional (mainly not totally) covid was also a big wealth transfer exercise. Note the elite few who got disproportionately richer during those couple of years and the big businesses massive global corporations who thrived - then cut their staff after.

[Hoboh]

Hold on a mo. This is part of Rupert's lunatic bill to bring back the gold standard, innit?

I own a gold mine, Rupert? Along with Aaron...

Nigel paid £189k by gold mining interests and Tice capital promoting be benfits of gold investment?


Hahahahahahahahaha...

PMSL, honestly if I told you it had nothing to do with that, I doubt you'd believe me

I'm just sick to the back teeth of all the bloody Arthur Dayleys playing God with a crazy monetary system.
Christ! I almost broke into Blair mode thinking of all the nooses humming, things can only get better, hmmm

[BWFC_Insane]

Hold on a mo. This is part of Rupert's lunatic bill to bring back the gold standard, innit?

I own a gold mine, Rupert? Along with Aaron...

Nigel paid £189k by gold mining interests and Tice capital promoting be benfits of gold investment?


Hahahahahahahahaha...

PMSL, honestly if I told you it had nothing to do with that, I doubt you'd believe me

I'm just sick to the back teeth of all the bloody Arthur Dayleys playing God with a crazy monetary system.
Christ! I almost broke into Blair mode thinking of all the nooses humming, things can only get better, hmmm

This is complete nonsense. The markets are what they always have been. They aren’t a bunch of politically motivated vigilantes stalking round waiting to catch a country out. It’s not that and it’s sad that people have painted it this way - because it’s complete nonsense. All that has happened is that western democracies have gradually ended up more exposed to market fluctuations as their borrowing needs increased and their economies became more and more reliant on services.

The markets are about making money pure and simple and the big difference is that where the west was the sure thing, the safe investment even when things were bonkers that is no longer the case now.

For thirty years people like Farage based their entire political leaning on market forces. Praising Thatcher and free market reforms to the hilt. They still do because they have nothing else. Except that what happened is the right also became nationalist and populist and such policy is not consistent with free global markets and trade. And they have found like the old Union left that you cannot have it both ways. You can’t simultaneously say free market economics is the greatest thing in the world and what has set us free whilst also trying to say it’s the root of all problems.

You can’t pick the good stuff and not the bad stuff. It’s a system. You either say ‘yeah we accept it has drawbacks but it’s the best thing we’ve got’ or you find another system.

[Worthy4England]

PMSL, honestly if I told you it had nothing to do with that, I doubt you'd believe me

True.

[Hoboh]

PMSL, honestly if I told you it had nothing to do with that, I doubt you'd believe me

True.

Why oh why can we not have a middle finger emoji

[Worthy4England]

PMSL, honestly if I told you it had nothing to do with that, I doubt you'd believe me

True.

Why oh why can we not have a middle finger emoji

You'd only abuse the privilege.

[Worthy4England]

[Hoboh]

'British workers come last': Fury as employers who hire Indian workers are given a major tax break under Labour's free trade deal'

Ahhh, Labour, the party of the working man, well, as long as you ain't a native of these shores that is.