Today I'm neither Angry nor Happy about....

[Bruce Rioja]

Is that where that pub is? the Red House (only in Welsh).The one voted second best beach bar in the world... The one I went to and they served warm beer in plastic glasses, the tw*ts. That one?

Question. Were the Welsh supping warm ale from plastic pots as well? You know what these 4uckers are like?!

[TANGODANCER]

So, there was a Tangodancer, a leopard with no spots and a clergyman discussing the probablities of the founder of Chritianity actually being a person, a myth/legend or the son of God. The clergyman stays with Jesus just being a person who lived, the leopard reckons even if someone called Jesus Christ existed, there's nothing to indicate Christianity is all about him ( a bit like asking if a Liberace concert will have a piano?) The dancer chap reckons if religion relied on proof we'd all believe the same (or not).

Meanwhile, a member of The Dead Poets Society thinks a school bully turned cavalry officer is a recreation of Jesus. Don't you just love religion..

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Is that where that pub is? the Red House (only in Welsh).The one voted second best beach bar in the world... The one I went to and they served warm beer in plastic glasses, the tw*ts. That one?

Question. Were the Welsh supping warm ale from plastic pots as well? You know what these 4uckers are like?!

Yup. Not a glass glass in sight. Mind you, twas the middle of the afternoon, and maybe the local taffs were still abed.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

So, there was a Tangodancer, a leopard with no spots and a clergyman discussing the probablities of the founder of Chritianity actually being a person, a myth/legend or the son of God. The clergyman stays with Jesus just being a person who lived, the leopard reckons even if someone called Jesus Christ existed, there's nothing to indicate Christianity is all about him ( a bit like asking if a Liberace concert will have a piano?) The dancer chap reckons if religion relied on proof we'd all believe the same (or not).

Meanwhile, a member of The Dead Poets Society thinks a school bully turned cavalry officer is a recreation of Jesus. Don't you just love religion..

That bit in bold ^, that bit there, it's not that I haven't got any, it's just that I've misplaced one...

[bobo the clown]

Is there even the faintest chance that one or the other of you guys will say something which is such a clincher that the other person says "oh yes, you're right. I change my view." Really ? Is there ?

In which case call it a day or go onto PM ffs.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Is there even the faintest chance that one or the other of you guys will say something which is such a clincher that the other person says "oh yes, you're right. I change my view." Really ? Is there ?

In which case call it a day or go onto PM ffs.

Are you aged about fiftyish by any feckin' chance?

[bobo the clown]

Is there even the faintest chance that one or the other of you guys will say something which is such a clincher that the other person says "oh yes, you're right. I change my view." Really ? Is there ?

In which case call it a day or go onto PM ffs.

Are you aged about fiftyish by any feckin' chance?

Isn't everyone ??

[Worthy4England]

According to the Banking and Financial Dealings Act 1971 Christmas Day is a movable Public Holiday in so much as when Christmas Day falls on a weekday it is a Bank Holiday, and when it falls on a weekend day it is a substitute day and a Public Holiday is declared on the Monday after, in lieu. So yes, it is a Public Holiday, but it is also a Bank holiday when 25th December falls on a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday or Friday... so triple nerr...

You could point me to where the said Act declares Christmas day a Bank Holiday?

Ok. Take a step back and review the title and opening paragraphs of the Banking and Financial Dealings Act 1971... as the act is dealing with Bank Holidays, that (just there) is where it declares it...

It does - quite right. Now take a step forwards and none of them are Christmas Day.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Is there even the faintest chance that one or the other of you guys will say something which is such a clincher that the other person says "oh yes, you're right. I change my view." Really ? Is there ?

In which case call it a day or go onto PM ffs.

Are you aged about fiftyish by any feckin' chance?

Isn't everyone ??

No. Pencilbiter, kinty, Dan 'n' 89... they're all about 10.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

According to the Banking and Financial Dealings Act 1971 Christmas Day is a movable Public Holiday in so much as when Christmas Day falls on a weekday it is a Bank Holiday, and when it falls on a weekend day it is a substitute day and a Public Holiday is declared on the Monday after, in lieu. So yes, it is a Public Holiday, but it is also a Bank holiday when 25th December falls on a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday or Friday... so triple nerr...

You could point me to where the said Act declares Christmas day a Bank Holiday?

Ok. Take a step back and review the title and opening paragraphs of the Banking and Financial Dealings Act 1971... as the act is dealing with Bank Holidays, that (just there) is where it declares it...

It does - quite right. Now take a step forwards and none of them are Christmas Day.

I bet you're about fifty and grumpy as feck. I just know it

[bobo the clown]

Christmas Day is not a Bank Holiday. It's a public holiday. Although effectively interchangeable the distinction does exist. A public holiday doesn't need to be declared a non-bank working day as the banks would have been closed already.

It's moot really, but they are the facts.

[Worthy4England]

According to the Banking and Financial Dealings Act 1971 Christmas Day is a movable Public Holiday in so much as when Christmas Day falls on a weekday it is a Bank Holiday, and when it falls on a weekend day it is a substitute day and a Public Holiday is declared on the Monday after, in lieu. So yes, it is a Public Holiday, but it is also a Bank holiday when 25th December falls on a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday or Friday... so triple nerr...

You could point me to where the said Act declares Christmas day a Bank Holiday?

Ok. Take a step back and review the title and opening paragraphs of the Banking and Financial Dealings Act 1971... as the act is dealing with Bank Holidays, that (just there) is where it declares it...

It does - quite right. Now take a step forwards and none of them are Christmas Day.

I bet you're about fifty and grumpy as feck. I just know it

Dad?!!! Is that you?!!!

I'm nowhere near 50. I don't turn 49 & 1/2 for another 2 days.

Mind, I've got warts older than some of our posters.

[Worthy4England]

Christmas Day is not a Bank Holiday. It's a public holiday. Although effectively interchangeable the distinction does exist. A public holiday doesn't need to be declared a non-bank working day as the banks would have been closed already.

It's moot really, but they are the facts.

That's the boyo!

[bobo the clown]

Is there even the faintest chance that one or the other of you guys will say something which is such a clincher that the other person says "oh yes, you're right. I change my view." Really ? Is there ?

In which case call it a day or go onto PM ffs.

Are you aged about fiftyish by any feckin' chance?

Isn't everyone ??

No. Pencilbiter, kinty, Dan 'n' 89... they're all about 10.

Well '89 takes Dan on holiday with her, so that makes her surrogate 50'ish.

The PB was fckg BORN 50 so he doesn't count. Kinty is a chess-playing stand up comic ... so what does that say about him ?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

OK
Everybody's 50
Christmas is a Public Holiday
Jesus was... a punk rocker.


Are we all happy. I'm off to bed

[Lord Kangana]

FFS.

Can I just clear something up here, after several pointless pages of missing the point.

Bank Holidays exist. They don't have to include christmas day to be able to clearly understand the point. I observe them. I don't need to work in a bank to do so. The existence of banks is unambiguous... we're all well aware of the lying, cheating, robbing bastards.

[thebish]

no.

basically - the weight of evidence that Jesus existed is more than enough to pass my "did a person live 2000 years ago" belief-threshold.

so - i don't see what your problem is. i believe it is a whole lot more likely that he did exist - overwhelmingly more likely - than he didn't - so I am happy to proceed on that basis.

maybe for you - it's different. you have a different "did a person live 2000 years ago" belief-threshold. good luck with that!

As I said, my obvious is not yours. My problem isn't that he existed, he may well have done. My problem is that there is no evidence that he is the person who did the things that founded a religion...
If you have difficulty finding eveidence he was born on 25th December, I have much more difficulty finding evidence that he raised Lazarus from the dead.

again - there's enough evidence that he did stuff to satisfy my "evidence that people did stuff 2000 yrs ago" belief threshold.. and, discovering this (hard to imagine) conclusive and incontrovertible "proof" that Jesus either did or didn't raise lazarus from the dead would have no effect on my own personal christian faith...

i'm sorry if that somehow offends or annoys you - or causes you to lose sleep (if you exist as a real person, that is)

also - in case you have missed the point - I am not interested nor looking for evidence about the date of jesus' birth - I couldn't be less interested what day of the week it was - what day of the month it was or what year it was... so - I am not having any difficulty over the issue (as you suggest).

[thebish]

Christmas Day is not a Bank Holiday. It's a public holiday. Although effectively interchangeable the distinction does exist. A public holiday doesn't need to be declared a non-bank working day as the banks would have been closed already.

It's moot really, but they are the facts.

Is there even the faintest chance that one or the other of you guys will say something which is such a clincher that the other person says "oh yes, you're right. I change my view." Really ? Is there ?

In which case call it a day or go onto PM ffs.

[bobo the clown]

FFS.

Can I just clear something up here, after several pointless pages of missing the point.

Bank Holidays exist. They don't have to include christmas day to be able to clearly understand the point. I observe them. I don't need to work in a bank to do so. The existence of banks is unambiguous... we're all well aware of the lying, cheating, robbing bastards.

... and drug taking. Don't forget the drug taking. Or is that only in 'Ethical Banks' ... or vicars .... or both ??

[Dujon]

It'd be handy if you lot would get yourselves organised. We colonials worked it out aeons ago.

Public Holidays (of which there is a gazillion) are gazetted each year for the year following. Each of those has a specific name. Some of them have 'moveable dates' (like Easter). There is a sprinkling of 'local' Public Holidays that are limited to a specific region and are often of the 'half-day' variety. In some instances, should the normal date of the Public Holiday fall on a Saturday or Sunday, the official Public Holiday is gazetted for following Monday. Given that no one really gives a toss as to why a Public Holiday exists this gives the convicts the day off to which they have been looking forward for so long.

Now, all this gazetteering is done by the states. This means that it's more convenient for each state to 'celebrate' a particular occasion on its own terms. As an example of that: a day known as 'Labour Day' turns up at various times of the year depending on which state it is that one lives or might visit. This can be important when organising interstate meetings of the business variety or even making a telephone call to a colleague situated in a state other than your own. Naturally allowances need also to be made for those places where a local piss-up is scheduled.

As far as I know no state has managed yet to move Christmas Day, Boxing Day, Australia Day or ANZAC day. I'm sure that the Union Movement is working on that as I type. By pure good luck Easter Friday (the Good bit) and Easter Monday (the other bit) whilst most annoyingly changing dates do hold to the Aussie tradition of a 'Long Weekend' and, of course, a Tuesday of purgatory.

Once upon a time we did have a Bank Holiday. Originally this was a holiday gifted to the employees of banks. That generous spilling of gold by the proprietors of such institutions turned, by some form of osmosis, to include insurance companies, all public servants, stock exchanges and clerical staff everywhere.

It's so simple. Get yourselves sorted.