2024, hoodwink and bamboozle the public

[Hoboh]

Instead he stressed that crime could be an area, after it emerged his new prisons minister has suggested two-thirds of people in jail should not be there. Sir Keir said there were 'too many prisoners, not enough prisons'.

Oh dear, oh dear and we are off!

[BWFC_Insane]

Instead he stressed that crime could be an area, after it emerged his new prisons minister has suggested two-thirds of people in jail should not be there. Sir Keir said there were 'too many prisoners, not enough prisons'.

Oh dear, oh dear and we are off!

Prisons are full. There was an emergency declared during the election there was something like 80 places left nationwide. It’s the horrendous inheritance they’ve been given.

[Prufrock]

I don’t have any huge expectation but I will say in the last 24 hours I had the tiniest, teeniest glimmer of hope. And that had been extinguished for a long time.

I saw the cabinet appointments and for the first time in a long long time thought we have a serious team of people that I don’t find completely loathsome. That is a step forward for now.

Yep. Cabinet looks good, they know their stuff. Prisons obviously a right wing "oh look already" point but it's a lot harder to argue that when it's Timpson who has a huge bank of experience (and crucially, is right).

Rwanda gone, immediately. NHS recognised to be broken and talks on ending the strikes in.

Already done more than the entire Corbyn project achieved. Power it turns out, is powerful.

There's no magic wand but proper people are in change now thank feck.

[Worthy4England]

You can smell the salt in the tears from here.

Moan, moan, moan.

[Worthy4England]

I wonder how we got here

[BWFC_Insane]

I don’t have any huge expectation but I will say in the last 24 hours I had the tiniest, teeniest glimmer of hope. And that had been extinguished for a long time.

I saw the cabinet appointments and for the first time in a long long time thought we have a serious team of people that I don’t find completely loathsome. That is a step forward for now.

Yep. Cabinet looks good, they know their stuff. Prisons obviously a right wing "oh look already" point but it's a lot harder to argue that when it's Timpson who has a huge bank of experience (and crucially, is right).

Rwanda gone, immediately. NHS recognised to be broken and talks on ending the strikes in.

Already done more than the entire Corbyn project achieved. Power it turns out, is powerful.

There's no magic wand but proper people are in change now thank feck.

You mean magic grandpa was in the end completely useless? What a shock!

[Hoboh]

I don’t have any huge expectation but I will say in the last 24 hours I had the tiniest, teeniest glimmer of hope. And that had been extinguished for a long time.

I saw the cabinet appointments and for the first time in a long long time thought we have a serious team of people that I don’t find completely loathsome. That is a step forward for now.

Yep. Cabinet looks good, they know their stuff. Prisons obviously a right wing "oh look already" point but it's a lot harder to argue that when it's Timpson who has a huge bank of experience (and crucially, is right).

Rwanda gone, immediately. NHS recognised to be broken and talks on ending the strikes in.

Already done more than the entire Corbyn project achieved. Power it turns out, is powerful.

There's no magic wand but proper people are in change now thank feck.

I hope those "Timpson is right about" move in near you mate.
I do notice he thinks less women should be locked up, bad for their mental health, whatever happened to equality?

[Hoboh]

You can smell the salt in the tears from here.

Moan, moan, moan.

No tears mate, the Tories got just desserts.

Anyway, some have a cheek to throw the word moan around when all they have done is weep about the results of a referendum when at least the winners got over 50% of the vote, not 30 odd

[TANGODANCER]

The (new) Home Secretary and Foreign Secretary are just one step below the P.M in charge of National Security, ie MI5, MI6. Does the new shake-up include current advisory positions I wonder? It might be hoped so..?

[Prufrock]

I don’t have any huge expectation but I will say in the last 24 hours I had the tiniest, teeniest glimmer of hope. And that had been extinguished for a long time.

I saw the cabinet appointments and for the first time in a long long time thought we have a serious team of people that I don’t find completely loathsome. That is a step forward for now.

Yep. Cabinet looks good, they know their stuff. Prisons obviously a right wing "oh look already" point but it's a lot harder to argue that when it's Timpson who has a huge bank of experience (and crucially, is right).

Rwanda gone, immediately. NHS recognised to be broken and talks on ending the strikes in.

Already done more than the entire Corbyn project achieved. Power it turns out, is powerful.

There's no magic wand but proper people are in change now thank feck.

I hope those "Timpson is right about" move in near you mate.
I do notice he thinks less women should be locked up, bad for their mental health, whatever happened to equality?

They'd have a job doing so, on account of there being no houses.

Too many are in for v short sentences that do nothing bit make them lose their job, and housing so when they come out they have nothing and are far more likely to reoffend.

On the other hand there are lots of people who definitely should be in prison. At the moment quite a few of them aren't, on account of there not being enough prisons.

[Hoboh]

I don’t have any huge expectation but I will say in the last 24 hours I had the tiniest, teeniest glimmer of hope. And that had been extinguished for a long time.

I saw the cabinet appointments and for the first time in a long long time thought we have a serious team of people that I don’t find completely loathsome. That is a step forward for now.

Yep. Cabinet looks good, they know their stuff. Prisons obviously a right wing "oh look already" point but it's a lot harder to argue that when it's Timpson who has a huge bank of experience (and crucially, is right).

Rwanda gone, immediately. NHS recognised to be broken and talks on ending the strikes in.

Already done more than the entire Corbyn project achieved. Power it turns out, is powerful.

There's no magic wand but proper people are in change now thank feck.

I hope those "Timpson is right about" move in near you mate.
I do notice he thinks less women should be locked up, bad for their mental health, whatever happened to equality?

They'd have a job doing so, on account of there being no houses.

Too many are in for v short sentences that do nothing bit make them lose their job, and housing so when they come out they have nothing and are far more likely to reoffend.

On the other hand there are lots of people who definitely should be in prison. At the moment quite a few of them aren't, on account of there not being enough prisons.

Even those on short sentences have probably been through the courts and community work etc numerous times until some beak finally lost patience and banged them up.

[BWFC_Insane]

The (new) Home Secretary and Foreign Secretary are just one step below the P.M in charge of National Security, ie MI5, MI6. Does the new shake-up include current advisory positions I wonder? It might be hoped so..?

Yes the new government does not keep the old ones advisors (in vast majority of cases).

[BWFC_Insane]

I don’t have any huge expectation but I will say in the last 24 hours I had the tiniest, teeniest glimmer of hope. And that had been extinguished for a long time.

I saw the cabinet appointments and for the first time in a long long time thought we have a serious team of people that I don’t find completely loathsome. That is a step forward for now.

Yep. Cabinet looks good, they know their stuff. Prisons obviously a right wing "oh look already" point but it's a lot harder to argue that when it's Timpson who has a huge bank of experience (and crucially, is right).

Rwanda gone, immediately. NHS recognised to be broken and talks on ending the strikes in.

Already done more than the entire Corbyn project achieved. Power it turns out, is powerful.

There's no magic wand but proper people are in change now thank feck.

I hope those "Timpson is right about" move in near you mate.
I do notice he thinks less women should be locked up, bad for their mental health, whatever happened to equality?

They'd have a job doing so, on account of there being no houses.

Too many are in for v short sentences that do nothing bit make them lose their job, and housing so when they come out they have nothing and are far more likely to reoffend.

On the other hand there are lots of people who definitely should be in prison. At the moment quite a few of them aren't, on account of there not being enough prisons.

Even those on short sentences have probably been through the courts and community work etc numerous times until some beak finally lost patience and banged them up.

That’s fine but our prison estate is full. And there is a huge backlog in cases too. The Tories didn’t bother building more prison space. So we are now stuck…realising people early and delaying sentencing.

We need to build more prisons and Labour will. But reducing reoffending is crucial because otherwise we will end up building prisons like crazy….

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

That’s fine but our prison estate is full. And there is a huge backlog in cases too. The Tories didn’t bother building more prison space. So we are now stuck…realising people early and delaying sentencing.

We need to build more prisons and Labour will. But reducing reoffending is crucial because otherwise we will end up building prisons like crazy….

No need to bother with all that. We can send them to Rwanda now we're not sending the immigrants

[BWFC_Insane]

That’s fine but our prison estate is full. And there is a huge backlog in cases too. The Tories didn’t bother building more prison space. So we are now stuck…realising people early and delaying sentencing.

We need to build more prisons and Labour will. But reducing reoffending is crucial because otherwise we will end up building prisons like crazy….

No need to bother with all that. We can send them to Rwanda now we're not sending the immigrants

We are asking Rwanda for a refund….

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

That’s fine but our prison estate is full. And there is a huge backlog in cases too. The Tories didn’t bother building more prison space. So we are now stuck…realising people early and delaying sentencing.

We need to build more prisons and Labour will. But reducing reoffending is crucial because otherwise we will end up building prisons like crazy….

No need to bother with all that. We can send them to Rwanda now we're not sending the immigrants

We are asking Rwanda for a refund….

Non refundable I'm afraid. If you don't want to send the prisoners we could send the Tories instead if you like?

[Hoboh]

Rachel Reeves: 'I'll rip up rules on planning within days' - Labour's new Chancellor announces 'growth mission' which could see thousands of homes built on Green Belt land

Now another.......?..
Labour,
Covering fields near you with tacky, quick chuck up, not room to swing a cat new builds, soon.
No rules, remember the prefabs of the sixties, welcome to love to be a builder world.

[Worthy4England]

Rachel Reeves: 'I'll rip up rules on planning within days' - Labour's new Chancellor announces 'growth mission' which could see thousands of homes built on Green Belt land

Now another.......?..
Labour,
Covering fields near you with tacky, quick chuck up, not room to swing a cat new builds, soon.
No rules, remember the prefabs of the sixties, welcome to love to be a builder world.

There's already plenty of houses scheduled for greenbelt, based on 2014 population growth figures because the outgoing government refused to move away from them - did you miss the current Greater Manchester Places for Everyone plan?

Not to say that I will agree with the new rationale (I'll hear what they have to say, first)...The one thing builders don't put on patches of greenbelt is low margin prefabs.

Moan, moan, moan.

[BWFC_Insane]

Rachel Reeves: 'I'll rip up rules on planning within days' - Labour's new Chancellor announces 'growth mission' which could see thousands of homes built on Green Belt land

Now another.......?..
Labour,
Covering fields near you with tacky, quick chuck up, not room to swing a cat new builds, soon.
No rules, remember the prefabs of the sixties, welcome to love to be a builder world.

Greybelt. The bits of the green belt that are a mess. It’s cheaper for construction and realistically the only way to incentivise the mass building and infrastructure projects we need to get the economy moving. I’d have thought you’d be for this. The opposition to this is mainly coming from the far left greens and a few nimby Tories.

[Worthy4England]

Rachel Reeves: 'I'll rip up rules on planning within days' - Labour's new Chancellor announces 'growth mission' which could see thousands of homes built on Green Belt land

Now another.......?..
Labour,
Covering fields near you with tacky, quick chuck up, not room to swing a cat new builds, soon.
No rules, remember the prefabs of the sixties, welcome to love to be a builder world.

Greybelt. The bits of the green belt that are a mess. It’s cheaper for construction and realistically the only way to incentivise the mass building and infrastructure projects we need to get the economy moving. I’d have thought you’d be for this. The opposition to this is mainly coming from the far left greens and a few nimby Tories.

The opposition to mass housebuilding is not mainly coming from far left greens nor a few nimby Tories.

Best of luck defining "greybelt" better than the developers will. They already drove a coach and horses through Places for Everyone, when it was supposed to be "greenbelt".

I don't agree it's the only way to incentivise mass building, nor necessarily that it actually will. The developers aren't stupid, they will not be complicit in tanking house prices - be it in the land value or the profit which is about 2/3rds of the value of a new build (of course they'll take anything out of development they can), but that's typically only a third of the price anyhow and they'll return as much of that saving to profit as they can.

The other way to incentivise mass building would be for us to build them ourselves, the ones we want, in the places we need them, using CPO if necessary. They'd soon start fcking ramping up on brownbelt then.

It's a poor policy, ill conceived. There might be something in "new towns" - dunno.