The Great Art Debate

[mrkint]

One hundred and forty two million dollars

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[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

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I suspect many of you would be sympathetic to the idea of moving national museums out of London.

However, surely even Lord Kangana finds talk of moving one of the Tates by 'disposing of' the London sites a bit glib?!

[William the White]

Tate Liverpool - Art Turning Left - Socialism and Art 1789-2013...

I might give this a go...

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[William the White]

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I suspect many of you would be sympathetic to the idea of moving national museums out of London.

However, surely even Lord Kangana finds talk of moving one of the Tates by 'disposing of' the London sites a bit glib?!

I'm not unhappy if most national museums are based in London. I do think there's scope to explore other options, and this should happen with some urgency. I think at the moment we have some pretty good initiatives going on in the regions. Enhance them, yes, spread the art around, yes. But make them affordable.

In terms of performance I really don't think metropolitan/national companies tour to the regions with any regularity or commitment and this should be altered. Funding is huge for the National Theatre and the RSC, and the national opera and dance companies. And they need to to get out of London. And it doesn't do it to tour the Narional Theatre's West End hits - financed initially by the taxpayer and then produced by commercial companies - to receiving houses in regional centres at commercial prices. There's no democratic access being achieved here.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I do think there's scope to explore other options, and this should happen with some urgency.

Something I would love to do is to use this technology to curate fantasy exhibitions in the regions: http://www.moving-picture.com/work/rob- ... ansforming" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; These video prints look so good in real life - and I'm talking about stills, rather than these animated version.

I know it's not the same as having the real thing there, but imagine having every painting in the world to choose from.

And the marginal costs of moving it around would be relatively small.

[William the White]

I do think there's scope to explore other options, and this should happen with some urgency.

Something I would love to do is to use this technology to curate fantasy exhibitions on in the regions: http://www.moving-picture.com/work/rob- ... ansforming" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; These video prints look so good in real life - and I'm talking about stills, rather than these animated version.

I know it's not the same as having the real thing there, but imagine having every painting in the world to choose from.

And the marginal costs of moving it around would be relatively small.

I really do like the imagination that can use technology in a way that gives access to what would otherwise be impossible... But, you know, I like the real thing as well...

I see the National theatre and the RSC and the Royal Opera (and, best of all by a couple of blocks) the NY Met with great regularity in my Cineworld on a shite complex just off Blackburn Road, about ten minutes drive away...

I like this access very much - but I like the gunpowder fizz of live performance a whole lot more...

And the same goes for the great galleries and collections...

I'm not in the slightest dismissive of these initiatives - they're likely to get more and more imaginative... That's what happens when the creative imagination explores new possibilities... Thankfully...

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I like the real thing too and am absolutely sure that it cannot be replaced... but like your love of the Cineworld operas, I thought the Pompeii Live event the British Museum was a great idea to take that once-in-a-lifetime exhibition to a wider audience. It was a great success and the productions would only get better if done more often.

I'd love to curate some art historical lightbox exhibitions up north as a spur to make people interested in seeking out the real thing. Come on Will, you must know some Northern worthies I can pitch this too.


In other news... I have seen Sarah Lucas (as in the exhibition, not her - yet).

I actually really enjoyed it. I have found with all these things that some advance preparation and an open mind go a long way.

[William the White]

I like the real thing too and am absolutely sure that it cannot be replaced... but like your love of the Cineworld operas, I thought the Pompeii Live event the British Museum was a great idea to take that once-in-a-lifetime exhibition to a wider audience. It was a great success and the productions would only get better if done more often.

I'd love to curate some art historical lightbox exhibitions up north as a spur to make people interested in seeking out the real thing. Come on Will, you must know some Northern worthies I can pitch this too.


In other news... I have seen Sarah Lucas (as in the exhibition, not her - yet).

I actually really enjoyed it. I have found with all these things that some advance preparation and an open mind goes a long way.

Oh, great, tell us more...

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I like the real thing too and am absolutely sure that it cannot be replaced... but like your love of the Cineworld operas, I thought the Pompeii Live event the British Museum was a great idea to take that once-in-a-lifetime exhibition to a wider audience. It was a great success and the productions would only get better if done more often.

I'd love to curate some art historical lightbox exhibitions up north as a spur to make people interested in seeking out the real thing. Come on Will, you must know some Northern worthies I can pitch this too.


In other news... I have seen Sarah Lucas (as in the exhibition, not her - yet).

I actually really enjoyed it. I have found with all these things that some advance preparation and an open mind goes a long way.

Oh, great, tell us more...

Ha - I will, I will - just posting in between eating, ironing etc at the moment!

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I like the real thing too and am absolutely sure that it cannot be replaced... but like your love of the Cineworld operas, I thought the Pompeii Live event the British Museum was a great idea to take that once-in-a-lifetime exhibition to a wider audience. It was a great success and the productions would only get better if done more often.

I'd love to curate some art historical lightbox exhibitions up north as a spur to make people interested in seeking out the real thing. Come on Will, you must know some Northern worthies I can pitch this too.


In other news... I have seen Sarah Lucas (as in the exhibition, not her - yet).

I actually really enjoyed it. I have found with all these things that some advance preparation and an open mind goes a long way.

Oh, great, tell us more...

I think what the women in your family had to say about what she does is spot on.

It's not highbrow stuff... of course it's not. It's not the 'take me seriously' brand of feminism... more of 'women can be puerile too, you know'.

I didn't think there was too much and that it was tiresomely repetitive, as you and others have said. If anything, I'd like to have seen a bit more from her early shows, having read Matthew Collings' short book on her first (he's a real tw*t, incidentally - he can't go a single paragraph without a spurious art historical comparison!).

Weirdly, I like how 'cool' her work is... by which I mean it's not angry or hysterical. It just serves the crassness up to see what you make of it. Were the London gallery-going crowd very familiar with the populist crudeness of the Sun and the Daily Sport before Lucas came along? I have no idea.

So, yes - largely silly and puerile but, in context, that's sort of the point.

[William the White]

I like the real thing too and am absolutely sure that it cannot be replaced... but like your love of the Cineworld operas, I thought the Pompeii Live event the British Museum was a great idea to take that once-in-a-lifetime exhibition to a wider audience. It was a great success and the productions would only get better if done more often.

I'd love to curate some art historical lightbox exhibitions up north as a spur to make people interested in seeking out the real thing. Come on Will, you must know some Northern worthies I can pitch this too.


In other news... I have seen Sarah Lucas (as in the exhibition, not her - yet).

I actually really enjoyed it. I have found with all these things that some advance preparation and an open mind goes a long way.

Oh, great, tell us more...

I think what the women in your family had to say about what she does is spot on.

It's not highbrow stuff... of course it's not. It's not the 'take me seriously' brand of feminism... more of 'women can be puerile too, you know'.

I didn't think there was too much and that it was tiresomely repetitive, as you and others have said. If anything, I'd like to have seen a bit more from her early shows, having read Matthew Collings' short book on her first (he's a real tw*t, incidentally - he can't go a single paragraph without a spurious art historical comparison!).

Weirdly, I like how 'cool' her work is... by which I mean it's not angry or hysterical. It just serves the crassness up to see what you make of it. Were the London gallery-going crowd very familiar with the populist crudeness of the Sun and the Daily Sport before Lucas came along? I have no idea.

So, yes - largely silly and puerile but, in context, that's sort of the point.

Were you taken by the bronzes in the last room? I really liked those.

And, no, I doubt they were at all knowledgeable about the crassness of the Sport and Sun - and those blown up giant pages make the political point effectively.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

If anything, I'd like to have seen a bit more from her early shows, having read Matthew Collings' short book on her first (he's a real tw*t, incidentally - he can't go a single paragraph without a spurious art historical comparison!).

Having said this, there is one that occurs to me too...

Her self portrait photographs remind me of that challenging, plane Jane stare that Manet was the master of...

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Edoua ... ject_3.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Edoua ... roject.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.wikipaintings.org/en/edouard ... urent-1862" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Were you taken by the bronzes in the last room? I really liked those.

Erm, they were quite attractive shiny things, in the same way that the Jeff Koons balloon dog that has just sold for so much money is.

Are they a little joke, do you think? Along the lines of: "Look - I'm part of the canon now!"

[William the White]

Were you taken by the bronzes in the last room? I really liked those.

Erm, they were quite attractive shiny things, in the same way that the Jeff Koons balloon dog that has just sold for so much money is.

Are they a little joke, do you think? Along the lines of: "Look - I'm part of the canon now!"

Doubt it, just another material to experiment with. This one suits her. Surely the reference points for these are the filled twisted tights work. And, i suppose it's possible she's saying, perhaps, See, I could have done bronze all along if i'd wanted...

I clearly liked the bronzes much more than you did...

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Were you taken by the bronzes in the last room? I really liked those.

Erm, they were quite attractive shiny things, in the same way that the Jeff Koons balloon dog that has just sold for so much money is.

Are they a little joke, do you think? Along the lines of: "Look - I'm part of the canon now!"

Doubt it, just another material to experiment with. This one suits her. Surely the reference points for these are the filled twisted tights work. And, i suppose it's possible she's saying, perhaps, See, I could have done bronze all along if i'd wanted...

Yes - and more than that, I suspect they were actually cast from the tights objects. And yes - your suggestion gets to the tone I'm thinking of.

[Montreal Wanderer]

If anything, I'd like to have seen a bit more from her early shows, having read Matthew Collings' short book on her first (he's a real tw*t, incidentally - he can't go a single paragraph without a spurious art historical comparison!).

Having said this, there is one that occurs to me too...

Her self portrait photographs remind me of that challenging, plane Jane stare that Manet was the master of...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 'herbe.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Edoua ... ject_3.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Edoua ... roject.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.wikipaintings.org/en/edouard ... urent-1862" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What is a plane Jane?

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... nside_Out/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Subject matter here was interesting, even if Yentob and team didn't really have a clue what point they wanted to make.

Some kindred spirits for Tango and LLS on there.

[Bruce Rioja]

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