Today I'm angry about.....

[KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab]

People who have queued up behind you at a supermarket checkout, and then can't wait the nanosecond it takes for you to put things back in your wallet before demanding to be served. They're starting to push you out the way as your card and receipt are being handed back to you by the checkout bod.

That's not been typed out to be contrary to the clown and the red wine. It's something that underlines the spite I have for the general public at the moment.

[William the White]

I join the bish in conceding on the piracy question... were you impressed with the other arguments in that article about the illegality of Israel's actions?

Well, no - because she dismissed the blockade as being irrelevant, which it isn't.

Incidentally, I agree with Nick Cohen's take on the undesirable nature of the blockade. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... a-blockade

I disagree with about 70% of cohen's argument. That means about 30% I agree with. I think he's strong on his condemnation of those on the left whose hostility to Israeli policy allows them to condone or to apologise for Islamic fundamentalism. I am not one of those people. He is extremely partial in his inability to see beyond that fundamentalist tag and examine any other aspect of Hamas than the familiar list of illiberal and oppressive policies it upholds on women, homosexuals, jews etc.

Hamas is representative of those forces within the Palestinian nation that respond to Israeli aggression, its cruelty, its willingness to kill and destroy and maim, with armed and militant resistance... What they can actually manage is pretty weak - some rockets, some suicide bombers... Why do they do this?...

Because like militant Israelis they fear destruction by a fierce and recalcitrant enemy... And want revenge...

If netanyahu looks in the mirror he should see Hamas staring back at him...

Sinn Fein and Democratic Unionists had to talk before a peace that has now held for over ten years could be agreed... you have to talk with your enemy if you can't destroy him... the PLO has this as a public platform, most of the Israeli left also...

In my view it's not them that matter - the Israeli right and Hamas are the only ones that can broker peace unless the masses can be persuaded to reject both and there's no sign of that any time soon... Though that would certainly be the best solution...

[Dujon]

[Tango] The Torah? I have books on my shelves that you might find odd, but the Torah - or Pentateuch - is not one of them. Perhaps I should make the effort to source a volume as, after all, the lack of one puts me at a disadvantage when reading or listening to the rants of Sheiks and Imams.

Whilst I have no objection to Islam itself at this stage I do get angry when its adherents migrate to another, presumably 'better', country and then seemingly attempt to subvert that country's beliefs, traditions and culture to those of their original dwelling place. Not that I'm in any position - at least historically - to whine about that situation.

[TANGODANCER]

[Tango] The Torah? I have books on my shelves that you might find odd, but the Torah - or Pentateuch - is not one of them. Perhaps I should make the effort to source a volume as, after all, the lack of one puts me at a disadvantage when reading or listening to the rants of Sheiks and Imams.

Whilst I have no objection to Islam itself at this stage I do get angry when its adherents migrate to another, presumably 'better', country and then seemingly attempt to subvert that country's beliefs, traditions and culture to those of their original dwelling place. Not that I'm in any position - at least historically - to whine about that situation.

Not to self: I really must stop making jocose posts.

[Dujon]

Sorry, TANGO, that went

straight
my head

[bobo the clown]

All of what Bobo said, but with the added minute spent searching through a bundle of papers for a '3p off Cup-a-Soup' voucher.

Here you go, here's 5p - now feck off!

All of what Bobo and Brucie said, but with the added "£5.97 please madam" and they go searching for the 97p, moving quids out of the way, for a few minutes, before coming to the conclusion that they can only get to 93p in loose change.

At this point, they inform the disinterested tillbint, that they've only been able to get to the 93p, somehow (seemingly) hoping that said person will say "that's fine madam - just give me the 93p and we'll call it quits"

A further pause for a short while for both parties to consider the "4p stand-off" (by which time I've usually readied a quid to hand over myself, just to get 'em out of the way), and they eventually resort to one of the numerous quids that they'd shifted in the first place to get to the small change

W4E ... I related this to a friend who said that they did EXACTLY this one day ... proffering the £1 to the till girl.

There was then a small amount of change to be returned ... which the woman took !!

[InsaneApache]

W4E ... I related this to a friend who said that they did EXACTLY this one day ... proffering the £1 to the till girl.

There was then a small amount of change to be returned ... which the woman took !!

Sounds like the ex-wife.

[BWFC_Insane]

People who are billed or like to act as though they are "football intellectuals".

Makes my blood boil.

Especially the likes of Gareth Southgate who have proven whatever they are, they aren't very good at actually you know, running a football club!

[Worthy4England]

People who are billed or like to act as though they are "football intellectuals".

Makes my blood boil.

Especially the likes of Gareth Southgate who have proven whatever they are, they aren't very good at actually you know, running a football club!

What the hell are you doing on a football forum then????

[BWFC_Insane]

People who are billed or like to act as though they are "football intellectuals".

Makes my blood boil.

Especially the likes of Gareth Southgate who have proven whatever they are, they aren't very good at actually you know, running a football club!

What the hell are you doing on a football forum then????

Is Southgate on here?

[Prufrock]

I wondered how long it would take the bastard Tories. In fairness it's taken them, and indeed the Lib Dems a good six weeks to show their true colours.

David Willetts has described university courses as 'a burden on the tax payer that has to be tackled' implying fees will go up whilst suggesting that students shouldn't think of their debt as a debt, but 'more like an obligation to pay higher income tax'. Well thanks for that. And there was silly old me thinking the big debt I had was a debt. All I have to do is think of it as an obligation to pay more tax. You mean, apart from the actual bastard tax? Don't think of your mortgage as a debt, think of it as an obligation to pay more house tax.

Now I may be missing something here, but it seems a bit, you know, f*cking wrong, if generations who have enjoyed all the benefits of free university education, and then have gone and ballsed everything up so we've got no money, then should expect the kids who had nowt to do with it to pay it all of.

Not only is it b*llocks, David Willetts is the sodding universities minister. Surely he should be fighting for the rights of universities to more public dosh so they don't need it from students. This we must remember is low taxes for the super rich, low inheritance tax Tories. Students should feel an obligation to 'pay higher income tax' should they, but the super rich presumably shouldn't? And again, I'm just typing out loud, but when he says 'obligation to pay higher income tax' I presume he means because graduates generally earn more, wouldn't some perhaps argue that the fact that people who earn more pay more income tax is already a pretty good 'obligation to pay higher income tax'?

I'm not actually one for this 'us vs them' 'young vs old' malarkey, and if the country is in the shite financially, collectively we all need to come together and pay what is fair. I'm not quite sure how letting Lord Pimms keep daddy's castle with no tax, whilst Dave's mates in the city pay less tax, whilst saddling a larger burden on folk who haven't even started earning yet is 'fair'.

And the bastard Lib Dems, large support amongst students, one of their key groups of voter, campaigned on the idea that they would abolish tuition fees. They've said in order not to damage the coalition, it has been decided they will be allowed to abstain from the vote. Whopdee fecking doo. Show some bastard back bone and vote against it, you, know, like you promised.

Selfish, rich-loving, poor-bumming Tories, and spineless Lib Dems. Honestly, who the hell saw that coming?

[thebish]

never mind Pru - Dave says that Everyone will see their lives change because of the cuts...

I'm still waiting to hear just how exactly HIS life will be adversely affected by the cuts

(I can see how mine will be with 3 kids queuing up to go to Uni starting this October...)

[Prufrock]

never mind Pru - Dave says that Everyone will see their lives change because of the cuts...

I'm still waiting to hear just how exactly HIS life will be adversely affected by the cuts

(I can see how mine will be with 3 kids queuing up to go to Uni starting this October...)

I suppose I could 'never mind' it, no longer being a student, rather a 'graduand', as it doesn't really affect me. My debt, whilst slightly more than a mild inconvenience is reason enough to think the system is a bit shite, and comments like Willetts' don't help my blood pressure, but that's nothing in comparison to future students. A medicine student, for instance, if these proposals went through could come out with a loan of around £50k BEFORE maintenance loans are added. That could potentially double it. That is fooking ridiculous.


He doesn't say everyone's life will be adversely affected 'adversely', just it will be affected. He will have more scope to grant his mates tax breaks. I think that counts as his life being affected, non?

[bobo the clown]

I wondered how long it would take the bastard Tories.

Not only is it b*llocks, David Willetts is the sodding universities minister. Surely he should be fighting for the rights of universities to more public dosh

I'm hardly unaffected by this as I have one lad at Uni now & another going later this year, but what don't you get here ?

The country is £176bn .... that's BILLION ... in debt.

Whatever the complexion of the Government massive & unpalatable cuts have to be made. Everywhere. They will be shite, they will hurt.

You blame the Tories for beginning to face up to this. Do you have some insight into how Labour would be doing otherwise if they were in power ?

Or are you doing a course which can help us get round this Pru ?

[Prufrock]

I wondered how long it would take the bastard Tories.

Not only is it b*llocks, David Willetts is the sodding universities minister. Surely he should be fighting for the rights of universities to more public dosh

I'm hardly unaffected by this as I have one lad at Uni now & another going later this year, but what don't you get here ?

The country is £176bn .... that's BILLION ... in debt.

Whatever the complexion of the Government massive & unpalatable cuts have to be made. Everywhere. They will be shite, they will hurt.

You blame the Tories for beginning to face up to this. Do you have some insight into how Labour would be doing otherwise if they were in power ?

Or are you doing a course which can help us get round this Pru ?

The thing that annoys me about Willetts isn't that I think the Tories should give unis more money (I do) but that as Universities minister he should at least be fighting for it.

As for the cuts, again, we need money. Low inheritance tax, lower income taxes for the richest, students given even bigger debts before starting a working career and told to think of it as more tax. Surely you can see how that could be seen as unfair? Especially as the ones affected weren't the ones who got us in this mess.

[hisroyalgingerness]

He's being realistic, thank feck. And he's holding his hands up saying "yup, this department can save money gaffer"

[Prufrock]

He's being realistic, thank feck. And he's holding his hands up saying "yup, this department can save money gaffer"

Save money by fleecing people who don't have it, whilst promising tax cuts to those who do. Feck it, pensions department can afford to save money too. Admittedly, it means stopping pensions, but they should think of it more as an obligation to pay more still being alive once they cease to be useful tax. That'd be good.

[CAPSLOCK]

The commies ridiculous policy of uni for all who can read comes home to roost

Shock horror, there's a price and it needs paying

[Worthy4England]

The commies ridiculous policy of uni for all who can read comes home to roost

Shock horror, there's a price and it needs paying

And you're cocking off about what? approximately?

I generally agree with "it's all too easy" - but you haven't managed to convince me yet that you're anything other than part of the yooful problem, that's benefitted from such systems...

[Hoboh]

I wondered how long it would take the bastard Tories. In fairness it's taken them, and indeed the Lib Dems a good six weeks to show their true colours.

David Willetts has described university courses as 'a burden on the tax payer that has to be tackled' implying fees will go up whilst suggesting that students shouldn't think of their debt as a debt, but 'more like an obligation to pay higher income tax'. Well thanks for that. And there was silly old me thinking the big debt I had was a debt. All I have to do is think of it as an obligation to pay more tax. You mean, apart from the actual bastard tax? Don't think of your mortgage as a debt, think of it as an obligation to pay more house tax.

Now I may be missing something here, but it seems a bit, you know, f*cking wrong, if generations who have enjoyed all the benefits of free university education, and then have gone and ballsed everything up so we've got no money, then should expect the kids who had nowt to do with it to pay it all of.

Not only is it b*llocks, David Willetts is the sodding universities minister. Surely he should be fighting for the rights of universities to more public dosh so they don't need it from students. This we must remember is low taxes for the super rich, low inheritance tax Tories. Students should feel an obligation to 'pay higher income tax' should they, but the super rich presumably shouldn't? And again, I'm just typing out loud, but when he says 'obligation to pay higher income tax' I presume he means because graduates generally earn more, wouldn't some perhaps argue that the fact that people who earn more pay more income tax is already a pretty good 'obligation to pay higher income tax'?


I'm not actually one for this 'us vs them' 'young vs old' malarkey, and if the country is in the shite financially, collectively we all need to come together and pay what is fair. I'm not quite sure how letting Lord Pimms keep daddy's castle with no tax, whilst Dave's mates in the city pay less tax, whilst saddling a larger burden on folk who haven't even started earning yet is 'fair'.

And the bastard Lib Dems, large support amongst students, one of their key groups of voter, campaigned on the idea that they would abolish tuition fees. They've said in order not to damage the coalition, it has been decided they will be allowed to abstain from the vote. Whopdee fecking doo. Show some bastard back bone and vote against it, you, know, like you promised.

Selfish, rich-loving, poor-bumming Tories, and spineless Lib Dems. Honestly, who the hell saw that coming?

Bring it on!!! The unwashed should pay for the privlage of being able to take education through Uni that allows them access to top banking jobs so they can screw up megatime!!!