bloody norah... :-(

[BWFC_Insane]

in the midst of all that, this is a nice story...

http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/27/ ... a-biscuits

Tea and biscuits and talking, followed by a game of football? Instead of a shouty demonstration?

It's PC gone mad I tells you.....

[Lost Leopard Spot]

There is no "us and them". We are all people. Perhaps that is the message that needs spreading. We all share the earth. Every single race, religion, sect, group, country is as bad and good as the next. Nobody is better, nobody is superior and everyone should fecking get along and share.

Maybe you could start your own religion. Do you really think, for example, that Pol Pot's Kampuchea wasn't inferior to virtually every other country that has existed on the planet. You really think that the Khmer Rouge's principals and actions were neither as bad nor as good as the next?

Are we just ignoring that particular question then? Doing a BL3 on it? A bit too awkward maybe?

[thebish]

SPORT ARE TROOPS...

[BWFC_Insane]

There is no "us and them". We are all people. Perhaps that is the message that needs spreading. We all share the earth. Every single race, religion, sect, group, country is as bad and good as the next. Nobody is better, nobody is superior and everyone should fecking get along and share.

Maybe you could start your own religion. Do you really think, for example, that Pol Pot's Kampuchea wasn't inferior to virtually every other country that has existed on the planet. You really think that the Khmer Rouge's principals and actions were neither as bad nor as good as the next?

Are we just ignoring that particular question then? Doing a BL3 on it? A bit too awkward maybe?

I didn't know you were that desperate for an answer.

If you think about it, all countries (well most) will have been ruled by not very nice people at one point or other. It does not make their populations as a whole "evil" or any worse as a cross section than anyone else.

The conditions that were ripe to start Nazi Germany did not mean every German was "evil" those conditions could have occurred anywhere. It just happened to be some nutjobs that bandied together and brought all the horrible folk together in a big club.

But people, from anywhere are IMO the same. Good, bad, indifferent. A cross section of Muslim society will be no different than a cross section of "white British society" and so forth.

We are after all just a collection of blood, flesh, bone, shit and piss.

[William the White]

just realised perhaps 'knights in shining armour' is not very PC, I do apologise for any offence I may have caused by relating to something historical.

step upwards from the usual hysterical, hoboh. well done.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

There is no "us and them". We are all people. Perhaps that is the message that needs spreading. We all share the earth. Every single race, religion, sect, group, country is as bad and good as the next. Nobody is better, nobody is superior and everyone should fecking get along and share.

Maybe you could start your own religion. Do you really think, for example, that Pol Pot's Kampuchea wasn't inferior to virtually every other country that has existed on the planet. You really think that the Khmer Rouge's principals and actions were neither as bad nor as good as the next?

Are we just ignoring that particular question then? Doing a BL3 on it? A bit too awkward maybe?

I didn't know you were that desperate for an answer.

If you think about it, all countries (well most) will have been ruled by not very nice people at one point or other. It does not make their populations as a whole "evil" or any worse as a cross section than anyone else.

The conditions that were ripe to start Nazi Germany did not mean every German was "evil" those conditions could have occurred anywhere. It just happened to be some nutjobs that bandied together and brought all the horrible folk together in a big club.

But people, from anywhere are IMO the same. Good, bad, indifferent. A cross section of Muslim society will be no different than a cross section of "white British society" and so forth.

We are after all just a collection of blood, flesh, bone, shit and piss.

I think I understand your sentiment and actually share it. It's just that you are awkwardly trying to explain it and not doing very well. Unfortunately you have a flaw in your original statement where you said "Every single ... country ... is as bad and good as the next". This is patently not true, as Britain when actively engaged in the slave trade cannot be considered as good as Britain post Wiberforce for example. The difference is one of philosophy/ethos. North Korea cannot possibly be considered to be as good or as bad as South Korea, can it. You are not defending Kampuchea, or Nazi Germany. Why then defend Saudi Arabia or Iran?

[BWFC_Insane]

There is no "us and them". We are all people. Perhaps that is the message that needs spreading. We all share the earth. Every single race, religion, sect, group, country is as bad and good as the next. Nobody is better, nobody is superior and everyone should fecking get along and share.

Maybe you could start your own religion. Do you really think, for example, that Pol Pot's Kampuchea wasn't inferior to virtually every other country that has existed on the planet. You really think that the Khmer Rouge's principals and actions were neither as bad nor as good as the next?

Are we just ignoring that particular question then? Doing a BL3 on it? A bit too awkward maybe?

I didn't know you were that desperate for an answer.

If you think about it, all countries (well most) will have been ruled by not very nice people at one point or other. It does not make their populations as a whole "evil" or any worse as a cross section than anyone else.

The conditions that were ripe to start Nazi Germany did not mean every German was "evil" those conditions could have occurred anywhere. It just happened to be some nutjobs that bandied together and brought all the horrible folk together in a big club.

But people, from anywhere are IMO the same. Good, bad, indifferent. A cross section of Muslim society will be no different than a cross section of "white British society" and so forth.

We are after all just a collection of blood, flesh, bone, shit and piss.

I think I understand your sentiment and actually share it. It's just that you are awkwardly trying to explain it and not doing very well. Unfortunately you have a flaw in your original statement where you said "Every single ... country ... is as bad and good as the next". This is patently not true, as Britain when actively engaged in the slave trade cannot be considered as good as Britain post Wiberforce for example. The difference is one of philosophy/ethos. North Korea cannot possibly be considered to be as good or as bad as South Korea, can it. You are not defending Kampuchea, or Nazi Germany. Why then defend Saudi Arabia or Iran?

You are referring to countries as their ruling bodies, whereas I am talking about the people within them.

And you're right, in that I'm explaining, very badly as per......

[bobo the clown]

You see .... I can get my head around why this may be an issue, but it does example how these matters can be handled insensitively and lead to counter (no pun intended) reaction and things rapidly taking on a magnitude beyond it's actual merit.

I foresee Morrison's needing to find a way of backing off sooner or later.

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[Lost Leopard Spot]

I was going to leave this subject alone, but in light of BWFC_i talking about "people who start sentences stating 'I'm not a racist, but...'" and all that implied, and Monty hinting that maybe the rozzers should be giving me a knock for what I've posted on here, and a comment by Pru which I thought was unhelpful, and a post by Il-pirate that directly accused me of being both racist and xenophobic, plus William the White stating I was spouting froth, and not least a post by Bish accusing certain posters of not addressing The Facts... In light of this I shall overnight attempt to put my argument across in a civilised, dialectical, reasoned, argument. I can do no more than that. I shall post it in the morning after I have thought it through... bet you can't wait!

[thebish]

I was going to leave this subject alone, but in light of BWFC_i talking about "people who start sentences stating 'I'm not a racist, but...'" and all that implied, and Monty hinting that maybe the rozzers should be giving me a knock for what I've posted on here, and a comment by Pru which I thought was unhelpful, and a post by Il-pirate that directly accused me of being both racist and xenophobic, plus William the White stating I was spouting froth, and not least a post by Bish accusing certain posters of not addressing The Facts... In light of this I shall overnight attempt to put my argument across in a civilised, dialectical, reasoned, argument. I can do no more than that. I shall post it in the morning after I have thought it through... bet you can't wait!

be specific - what are you accusing me of now?

[Zulus Thousand of em]

be specific - what are you accusing me of now?

I'm guessing you'll have to wait until the morning.

[thebish]

be specific - what are you accusing me of now?

I'm guessing you'll have to wait until the morning.

oooh - the suspense! I was just wondering why there is a list of grievances about posts people have made regarding LLS - and then me perched on the end for daring to suggest (not even to LLS!) that it is not against the law in the UK to fly the St George Flag!

[BWFC_Insane]

I was going to leave this subject alone, but in light of BWFC_i talking about "people who start sentences stating 'I'm not a racist, but...'" and all that implied, and Monty hinting that maybe the rozzers should be giving me a knock for what I've posted on here, and a comment by Pru which I thought was unhelpful, and a post by Il-pirate that directly accused me of being both racist and xenophobic, plus William the White stating I was spouting froth, and not least a post by Bish accusing certain posters of not addressing The Facts... In light of this I shall overnight attempt to put my argument across in a civilised, dialectical, reasoned, argument. I can do no more than that. I shall post it in the morning after I have thought it through... bet you can't wait!

FWIW I wasn't thinking of you at all when writing that LLS, implied or otherwise. I did not put you into that bracket. Hadn't even crossed my mind.

Just to be clear.

[thebish]

I was going to leave this subject alone, but in light of BWFC_i talking about "people who start sentences stating 'I'm not a racist, but...'" and all that implied, and Monty hinting that maybe the rozzers should be giving me a knock for what I've posted on here, and a comment by Pru which I thought was unhelpful, and a post by Il-pirate that directly accused me of being both racist and xenophobic, plus William the White stating I was spouting froth, and not least a post by Bish accusing certain posters of not addressing The Facts... In light of this I shall overnight attempt to put my argument across in a civilised, dialectical, reasoned, argument. I can do no more than that. I shall post it in the morning after I have thought it through... bet you can't wait!

FWIW I wasn't thinking of you at all when writing that LLS, implied or otherwise. I did not put you into that bracket. Hadn't even crossed my mind.

Just to be clear.

I think he has some kind of persecution complex.. we're ALL out to get him - possibly with our muslamic ray guns...

[Lord Kangana]

Just as a point of reference here, as its been mentioned somewhere up there, but Germany was a bottom-up, not top-down, dictatorship. Ie, the general populace was, in the main, either willingly complicit or else willingly ambivalent. Its why the state could so easily filter into every nook and cranny of society.

Which is why debate, such as on here, is important, and indeed utterly nonsensical sweeping statements need to be challenged.

[TANGODANCER]

Have they caught Nora yet?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I was going to leave this subject alone, but in light of BWFC_i talking about "people who start sentences stating 'I'm not a racist, but...'" and all that implied, and Monty hinting that maybe the rozzers should be giving me a knock for what I've posted on here, and a comment by Pru which I thought was unhelpful, and a post by Il-pirate that directly accused me of being both racist and xenophobic, plus William the White stating I was spouting froth, and not least a post by Bish accusing certain posters of not addressing The Facts... In light of this I shall overnight attempt to put my argument across in a civilised, dialectical, reasoned, argument. I can do no more than that. I shall post it in the morning after I have thought it through... bet you can't wait!

Whoa. Whoa. Horses holding time. I mentioned in the light of posts, and then mentioned 6 people by name. Three of those I mentioned in relation to my own posts - specifically. Read them back, just to be sure I'm not bullshitting. Three of the names referred to other posters who had posted stuff to other posters which were not me. Those three were Bish and Bwfc-I and Pru,two of which posters who are now questioning what they said about me. The answer to that is you didn't, but your posts to other people along with the three who did specifically address mw have led me to re-engage in the debate. Ok?
And to be fair of the three that I accused of denigrating me, I may yet apologise to Monty if it I wasn't one of those he thinks whose posts incite hatred. So you see, I don't quite have the persecution complex you seem to think I might have.

[thebish]

I was going to leave this subject alone, but in light of BWFC_i talking about "people who start sentences stating 'I'm not a racist, but...'" and all that implied, and Monty hinting that maybe the rozzers should be giving me a knock for what I've posted on here, and a comment by Pru which I thought was unhelpful, and a post by Il-pirate that directly accused me of being both racist and xenophobic, plus William the White stating I was spouting froth, and not least a post by Bish accusing certain posters of not addressing The Facts... In light of this I shall overnight attempt to put my argument across in a civilised, dialectical, reasoned, argument. I can do no more than that. I shall post it in the morning after I have thought it through... bet you can't wait!

Whoa. Whoa. Horses holding time. I mentioned in the light of posts, and then mentioned 6 people by name. Three of those I mentioned in relation to my own posts - specifically. Read them back, just to be sure I'm not bullshitting. Three of the names referred to other posters who had posted stuff to other posters which were not me. Those three were Bish and Bwfc-I and Pru,two of which posters who are now questioning what they said about me. The answer to that is you didn't, but your posts to other people along with the three who did specifically address mw have led me to re-engage in the debate. Ok?
And to be fair of the three that I accused of denigrating me, I may yet apologise to Monty if it I wasn't one of those he thinks whose posts incite hatred. So you see, I don't quite have the persecution complex you seem to think I might have.

no - I did NOT question what I was supposed to have said about you - read it back.

a poster claimed he was banned from flying a flag - I said that was not factual. I was asking you what on earth you were accusing me of - given that I appeared in a list of posts - most of which you seemed to be disapproving of.

my muslamic ray gun is set to STUN...

[Il Pirate]

I was going to leave this subject alone, but in light of BWFC_i talking about "people who start sentences stating 'I'm not a racist, but...'" and all that implied, and Monty hinting that maybe the rozzers should be giving me a knock for what I've posted on here, and a comment by Pru which I thought was unhelpful, and a post by Il-pirate that directly accused me of being both racist and xenophobic, plus William the White stating I was spouting froth, and not least a post by Bish accusing certain posters of not addressing The Facts... In light of this I shall overnight attempt to put my argument across in a civilised, dialectical, reasoned, argument. I can do no more than that. I shall post it in the morning after I have thought it through... bet you can't wait!

I did not directly accuse. I expressed my opinion, but yeah, I think you have those tendencies.
Why civilised, dialectical, reasoned argument? If I want reasoned debate, I get enough at work; or, when home, put a politics channel on the telly or maybe tune into radio 4.
Outside of that, when I want to spout shitwittery and vent my spleen and let off steam, I go on football forum.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Battery on low. On phone awkward to select and then paste posts so:
1. Bish, I accused you of nothing. Yours was just one of 6 posts that have changed my mind in (not) leaving this subject alone.
2. Il-pirate. Fair enough. I shall attempt to engage you with more shitwittery on the morrow.

Till then nighty night.