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[thebish]

I thought Ed Milliband gave a surprisingly good performance at PM q's today. Still cant see him appealing to the general electorate though.

I've just watched it - not bad at all for a first outing.

[thebish]

Here is what Clegg actually said at the end of April this year...

"Labour and the Conservatives have been trying to keep tuition fees out of this election campaign.

"It's because they don't want to come clean with you about what they're planning.

"Despite the huge financial strain fees already place on Britain's young people, it is clear both Labour and the Conservatives want to lift the cap on fees.

"If fees rise to £7,000 a year, as many rumours suggest they would, within five years some students will be leaving university up to £44,000 in debt.

"That would be a disaster. If we have learnt one thing from the economic crisis, it is that you can't build a future on debt.

"The Liberal Democrats are different. Not only will we oppose any raising of the cap, we will scrap tuition fees for good, including for part-time students.

[a1]

Here is what Clegg actually said at the end of April this year...

"Labour and the Conservatives have been trying to keep tuition fees out of this election campaign.

"It's because they don't want to come clean with you about what they're planning.

"Despite the huge financial strain fees already place on Britain's young people, it is clear both Labour and the Conservatives want to lift the cap on fees.

"If fees rise to £7,000 a year, as many rumours suggest they would, within five years some students will be leaving university up to £44,000 in debt.

"That would be a disaster. If we have learnt one thing from the economic crisis, it is that you can't build a future on debt.

"The Liberal Democrats are different. Not only will we oppose any raising of the cap, we will scrap tuition fees for good, including for part-time students.

he probably didnt have the real numbers til he got voted in.

gordon's seemingly ginormous borrows on the never never and the various sneekarounds he employed probably messed up the real numbers somethin' proper that its only took til just now for a proper set of accountants to find the real answer to how skint we really all are.

and its forced the liberals democrat high ups to change their minds once they saw the "un-gordonized" balance sheet.

[thebish]

Here is what Clegg actually said at the end of April this year...

"Labour and the Conservatives have been trying to keep tuition fees out of this election campaign.

"It's because they don't want to come clean with you about what they're planning.

"Despite the huge financial strain fees already place on Britain's young people, it is clear both Labour and the Conservatives want to lift the cap on fees.

"If fees rise to £7,000 a year, as many rumours suggest they would, within five years some students will be leaving university up to £44,000 in debt.

"That would be a disaster. If we have learnt one thing from the economic crisis, it is that you can't build a future on debt.

"The Liberal Democrats are different. Not only will we oppose any raising of the cap, we will scrap tuition fees for good, including for part-time students.

he probably didnt have the real numbers til he got voted in.

when the tories and libdems got in, their own independant financial arbiters proclaimed that the economic situation was in fact very slightly BETTER than had been expected - not WORSE - so... BOLLOX!

[superjohnmcginlay]

Lest we forget....

This photo should go in the new OED under the word "sell-out".

True, but it has surprised me how cheap it was to buy the Lib Dems... They are the Aldi of British politics but without the class...

I don't think they're quite sure what to do. They never expected to be anywhere near power.

[Bruce Rioja]

Lest we forget....

This photo should go in the new OED under the word "sell-out".

True, but it has surprised me how cheap it was to buy the Lib Dems... They are the Aldi of British politics but without the class...

Do you guys have pictures in your copies of the OED? Monteeeeeeeey!

[Montreal Wanderer]

Lest we forget....

This photo should go in the new OED under the word "sell-out".

True, but it has surprised me how cheap it was to buy the Lib Dems... They are the Aldi of British politics but without the class...

Do you guys have pictures in your copies of the OED? Monteeeeeeeey!

No, only a few hieroglyphics ...

[Hoboh]

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dundee granny to be#10
18 October 2010 15:39:14

Where do these low-life scum come from? I still say they shouldn't have any human rights, that should be taken away from them. Then do experiments on them. I am sure the animal activists would agree with me. There are lots of drugs that we need to know the side effects so why not try them on this type of scum. I hope she isn't or he isn't segregated in prison and that someone can get to them and beat them to an inch of their lives, let them get better and start all over again. This wouldn't be enough, I know, but at least they would feel a fraction of the pain that these kids have had to endure at their hands. B*****ds! They must have had neighbours who know who they are............when they come out of prison their whereabouts should be known to everyone just so we can all have a chance of "getting them".



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Planet hobo just found its Justice minister

[William the White]

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dundee granny to be#10
18 October 2010 15:39:14

Where do these low-life scum come from? I still say they shouldn't have any human rights, that should be taken away from them. Then do experiments on them. I am sure the animal activists would agree with me. There are lots of drugs that we need to know the side effects so why not try them on this type of scum. I hope she isn't or he isn't segregated in prison and that someone can get to them and beat them to an inch of their lives, let them get better and start all over again. This wouldn't be enough, I know, but at least they would feel a fraction of the pain that these kids have had to endure at their hands. B*****ds! They must have had neighbours who know who they are............when they come out of prison their whereabouts should be known to everyone just so we can all have a chance of "getting them".



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Planet hobo just found its Justice minister

I wonder what this is all about?

[Prufrock]

I don't know, but I'm going to knock their block off with my hard back covered, unfortunately long and awkwardly titled essay, "Shut the f*ck up whinging about human rights, human rights human rights, as if human rights are a bad thing. Unless you are a complete fecktard you believe in the concept of human rights, though you may be annoyed about certain things that are classed as human rights. Often those aren't actually human rights, rather made up Daily Mail-isms, or things some knob has claimed infringe his human rights which then lose in court." Ont he front cover would be this link. Obviosuly being an actual book, it wouldn't work, but there would be a big bronze boss of 'Read that and tell me it isn't a generally good thing', written backwards that I could smack into people with a hammer so it read across their forehead.

[Bruce Rioja]

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dundee granny to be#10
18 October 2010 15:39:14

Where do these low-life scum come from? I still say they shouldn't have any human rights, that should be taken away from them. Then do experiments on them. I am sure the animal activists would agree with me. There are lots of drugs that we need to know the side effects so why not try them on this type of scum. I hope she isn't or he isn't segregated in prison and that someone can get to them and beat them to an inch of their lives, let them get better and start all over again. This wouldn't be enough, I know, but at least they would feel a fraction of the pain that these kids have had to endure at their hands. B*****ds! They must have had neighbours who know who they are............when they come out of prison their whereabouts should be known to everyone just so we can all have a chance of "getting them".



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Planet hobo just found its Justice minister

I wonder what this is all about?

At a guess, William, I'd say that this is to do with the female care worker in Liverpool that was photographed by her boyfriend performing sex acts with a five month old baby boy.

[William the White]

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dundee granny to be#10
18 October 2010 15:39:14

Where do these low-life scum come from? I still say they shouldn't have any human rights, that should be taken away from them. Then do experiments on them. I am sure the animal activists would agree with me. There are lots of drugs that we need to know the side effects so why not try them on this type of scum. I hope she isn't or he isn't segregated in prison and that someone can get to them and beat them to an inch of their lives, let them get better and start all over again. This wouldn't be enough, I know, but at least they would feel a fraction of the pain that these kids have had to endure at their hands. B*****ds! They must have had neighbours who know who they are............when they come out of prison their whereabouts should be known to everyone just so we can all have a chance of "getting them".



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Planet hobo just found its Justice minister

I wonder what this is all about?

At a guess, William, I'd say that this is to do with the female care worker in Liverpool that was photographed by her boyfriend performing sex acts with a five month old baby boy.

Yes, I heard about them on the news - very sweet types.

Dundee granny though? Reply/Report abuse? Hoboh, of course, frequently strays from the coherency region but this is good even for him... Of course it may be just a general rant against scum so nothing new there...

[Montreal Wanderer]

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dundee granny to be#10
18 October 2010 15:39:14

Where do these low-life scum come from? I still say they shouldn't have any human rights, that should be taken away from them. Then do experiments on them. I am sure the animal activists would agree with me. There are lots of drugs that we need to know the side effects so why not try them on this type of scum. I hope she isn't or he isn't segregated in prison and that someone can get to them and beat them to an inch of their lives, let them get better and start all over again. This wouldn't be enough, I know, but at least they would feel a fraction of the pain that these kids have had to endure at their hands. B*****ds! They must have had neighbours who know who they are............when they come out of prison their whereabouts should be known to everyone just so we can all have a chance of "getting them".



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Planet hobo just found its Justice minister

I wonder what this is all about?

At a guess, William, I'd say that this is to do with the female care worker in Liverpool that was photographed by her boyfriend performing sex acts with a five month old baby boy.

Thanks, Bruce - I was as confused as the bard and wondered what a Dundee granny had to do with anything.

[Hoboh]

Sorry chaps was quoteing from MSN comments on the story bruce was bob on with.


Pru, get in the real world Scrotes should have NO rights and you will see the tide turning against this Human anything larky just you watch. There should be one right of justice for victims, perpertators of wrong should suffer painfully and if they repeat the same offence be terminated

[Zulus Thousand of em]

Arnold Schwarzenegger is alive, well and walking these very boards!

[ratbert]

Anyway, back to real politics and not Hoboh's playgroup version.

Spending review tomorrow. Might as well start asking what people think should be axed and what shouldn't...

[William the White]

Anyway, back to real politics and not Hoboh's playgroup version.

Spending review tomorrow. Might as well start asking what people think should be axed and what shouldn't...

I think it's possible to envisage a more equitable, even socialist, response to the crisis, which was caused by capitalist greed, not by the then government.

A wealth tax of 10% aimed at the extremely wealthy (those owning in excess of - say - £50million) levied as a one off would have fairness on its side and, truly, mean those having the 'broadest shoulders' (D Cameron) bore the greatest weight.

Since that is not going to happen scrap Trident immediately, pull out of Afghanistan and the more minor adventures we are engaged in, leave NATO and conduct a serious defence review to redefine the role of our armed forces as defensive and pro-UN. Lengthen the debt reduction period - I had a 25 year mortgage, not a 4 year one. Retain the nationalise banks and use them to reinvest in British industry, apprenticeships and education which will be the generators of future wealth. Take the bank of England back into public control.

Just for starters...

[Lord Kangana]

I'm broadly in agreement William, but I can't get my head round why Labour supporters won't lay some blame at the door of the previous government.

Yes it was caused by capitalist greed, because Labour pursued almost identikit policies of the previous government. They've tried to sell us a lie of the all-inclusive free market state, and its spectacularly backfired. But it doesn't help by siding with a regime that did not instigate socialist policy, because that falls in to the hands of those who retain the current decrepit system by claiming that as the issue.

[Il Pirate]

Anyway, back to real politics and not Hoboh's playgroup version.

Spending review tomorrow. Might as well start asking what people think should be axed and what shouldn't...

I think it's possible to envisage a more equitable, even socialist, response to the crisis, which was caused by capitalist greed, not by the then government.

A wealth tax of 10% aimed at the extremely wealthy (those owning in excess of - say - £50million) levied as a one off would have fairness on its side and, truly, mean those having the 'broadest shoulders' (D Cameron) bore the greatest weight.

Since that is not going to happen scrap Trident immediately, pull out of Afghanistan and the more minor adventures we are engaged in, leave NATO and conduct a serious defence review to redefine the role of our armed forces as defensive and pro-UN. Lengthen the debt reduction period - I had a 25 year mortgage, not a 4 year one. Retain the nationalise banks and use them to reinvest in British industry, apprenticeships and education which will be the generators of future wealth. Take the bank of England back into public control.

Just for starters...

Somewhere in the darkest depths of my mind, I seem to remember president Blair stating that "It's not easy trying to tax the super rich. They would just find more loopholes to avoid paying any levy imposed." Can't remember when it was said, but it seemed easier to invade a middle eastern country at around the same time than tax the rich.

[BWFC_Insane]

I'm broadly in agreement William, but I can't get my head round why Labour supporters won't lay some blame at the door of the previous government.

Yes it was caused by capitalist greed, because Labour pursued almost identikit policies of the previous government. They've tried to sell us a lie of the all-inclusive free market state, and its spectacularly backfired. But it doesn't help by siding with a regime that did not instigate socialist policy, because that falls in to the hands of those who retain the current decrepit system by claiming that as the issue.

No socialist party will be voted into power though LK.

So that presents a bit of a problem. I think a lot of the issue is that the public sector is taking the brunt of the blame for a problem caused by a global recession and greedy corporate bankers.