The Politics Thread

[Hoboh]

Anyway, back to real politics and not Hoboh's playgroup version.

Spending review tomorrow. Might as well start asking what people think should be axed and what shouldn't...

I think it's possible to envisage a more equitable, even socialist, response to the crisis, which was caused by capitalist greed, not by the then government.

A wealth tax of 10% aimed at the extremely wealthy (those owning in excess of - say - £50million) levied as a one off would have fairness on its side and, truly, mean those having the 'broadest shoulders' (D Cameron) bore the greatest weight.

Since that is not going to happen scrap Trident immediately, pull out of Afghanistan and the more minor adventures we are engaged in, leave NATO and conduct a serious defence review to redefine the role of our armed forces as defensive and pro-UN. Lengthen the debt reduction period - I had a 25 year mortgage, not a 4 year one. Retain the nationalise banks and use them to reinvest in British industry, apprenticeships and education which will be the generators of future wealth. Take the bank of England back into public control.

Just for starters...

And let our soildiers be shot at but not fire back till a commitee headed by some flea infested minor state decides 3 years later they can do???

Look around the world William at all the wars and conflict going on, then hand on heart tell me the UN works? I just know that you are going to blame the Yanks, its never the nasty Chinese or the miserable Russians is it? You Lefties really do take the biscuit!

[Lord Kangana]

Erm, I don't know if you noticed Hoboh, but Russia is now a capitalist state (has been for roughly 20 years) and China is going through a period of State Capitalism on the road to full Capitalism.

Be afraid when thats achieved by the way. You'll be wishing they stayed "lefites" then, I promise you.

[Hoboh]

I'm broadly in agreement William, but I can't get my head round why Labour supporters won't lay some blame at the door of the previous government.

Yes it was caused by capitalist greed, because Labour pursued almost identikit policies of the previous government. They've tried to sell us a lie of the all-inclusive free market state, and its spectacularly backfired. But it doesn't help by siding with a regime that did not instigate socialist policy, because that falls in to the hands of those who retain the current decrepit system by claiming that as the issue.

No socialist party will be voted into power though LK.

So that presents a bit of a problem. I think a lot of the issue is that the public sector is taking the brunt of the blame for a problem caused by a global recession and greedy corporate bankers.

Nowt to do with over staffing levels and jobsworth unions is it?

[William the White]

Erm, I don't know if you noticed Hoboh, but Russia is now a capitalist state (has been for roughly 20 years) and China is going through a period of State Capitalism on the road to full Capitalism.

Be afraid when thats achieved by the way. You'll be wishing they stayed "lefites" then, I promise you.

It's not easy for hoboh, though. His eyes are still adjusting to the light since he left his cave.

[Hoboh]

Erm, I don't know if you noticed Hoboh, but Russia is now a capitalist state (has been for roughly 20 years) and China is going through a period of State Capitalism on the road to full Capitalism.

Be afraid when thats achieved by the way. You'll be wishing they stayed "lefites" then, I promise you.

It's not easy for hoboh, though. His eyes are still adjusting to the light since he left his cave.

Erm, I don't know if either of you have noticed these two have been blocking the UN since its inception it is not "new" yet the yanks always get the blame!

[BWFC_Insane]

I'm broadly in agreement William, but I can't get my head round why Labour supporters won't lay some blame at the door of the previous government.

Yes it was caused by capitalist greed, because Labour pursued almost identikit policies of the previous government. They've tried to sell us a lie of the all-inclusive free market state, and its spectacularly backfired. But it doesn't help by siding with a regime that did not instigate socialist policy, because that falls in to the hands of those who retain the current decrepit system by claiming that as the issue.

No socialist party will be voted into power though LK.

So that presents a bit of a problem. I think a lot of the issue is that the public sector is taking the brunt of the blame for a problem caused by a global recession and greedy corporate bankers.

Nowt to do with over staffing levels and jobsworth unions is it?

You're right it isn't. The public sector was just as large when the economy was booming.

Everyone knows why the worldwide economy crashed, it was because of poor banking decisions made by greedy bankers living in a bonus culture.

But this has been washed over as the Tories don't want to harm their rich cronies, they'd rather see average joe workers out of jobs than that. But its ok because when they've hammered the public sector which in turn has a knock-on effect to many areas of the private sector as we're already seeing with BAE etc and there are many more people unemployed I'm sure the remainder of the ever gallant private sector will ride in like a knight in shining armour to resuce everyone.

[thebish]

Nobody seems to be denying it - not even the lib dems - so I will assume it is true that:

...more money is coming out of child benefit as a contribution to reducing the fiscal deficit than from the banks, who caused that fiscal deficit.

[Zulus Thousand of em]

Our previous "enlightened" Government, led by the that nice Mister Brown, certainly made it easy for those greedy bankers didn't it?

[Lord Kangana]

Absolutely.

What are this lot doing to rectify that gross mistake?

[thebish]

...not really sure what "nice" has to to do with anything

[thebish]

Our previous "enlightened" Government, led by the that nice Mister Brown, certainly made it easy for those greedy bankers didn't it?

Brown has admitted that was a mistake - though, at the time, Cameron and Osborne were urging him to drop even the few controls that we did have.... (do you not remember?)

[Zulus Thousand of em]

Well, that's alright then.

It's Broon's smoking gun though.

[thebish]

Well, that's alright then.

It's Broon's smoking gun though.

hmmm - so - what are the current lot doing to correct Brown's error - and to correct the even worse policy they held at the time that error was made?

[William the White]

Erm, I don't know if you noticed Hoboh, but Russia is now a capitalist state (has been for roughly 20 years) and China is going through a period of State Capitalism on the road to full Capitalism.

Be afraid when thats achieved by the way. You'll be wishing they stayed "lefites" then, I promise you.

It's not easy for hoboh, though. His eyes are still adjusting to the light since he left his cave.

Erm, I don't know if either of you have noticed these two have been blocking the UN since its inception it is not "new" yet the yanks always get the blame!

It's certainly true that for the first 20 years of its inception the Soviet Union persistently used its veto, a state of affairs that declined rapidly after the death of Stalin... These are the figures from 1966-2008 on the use of the veto on the Security council:

USSR/Russia: 18
Red China: 4
USA: 82
UK: 29...

Now, tell us again who is blocking the UN...

[Zulus Thousand of em]

Well, that's alright then.

It's Broon's smoking gun though.

hmmm - so - what are the current lot doing to correct Brown's error - and to correct the even worse policy they held at the time that error was made?

Not a clue Bish - they don't confide in me. I'm guessing that they've got a long list of wrongs to right though.

[William the White]

Well, that's alright then.

It's Broon's smoking gun though.

hmmm - so - what are the current lot doing to correct Brown's error - and to correct the even worse policy they held at the time that error was made?

Not a clue Bish - they don't confide in me. I'm guessing that they've got a long list of wrongs to right though.

Bit of a slow start though - hope they get cracking soon - I expect they'll get onto the bankers after they've sorted out the benefit claimants...

[Zulus Thousand of em]

Well, that's alright then.

It's Broon's smoking gun though.

hmmm - so - what are the current lot doing to correct Brown's error - and to correct the even worse policy they held at the time that error was made?

Not a clue Bish - they don't confide in me. I'm guessing that they've got a long list of wrongs to right though.

Bit of a slow start though - hope they get cracking soon - I expect they'll get onto the bankers after they've sorted out the benefit claimants...

Let's hope so.

[boltonboris]

46000 people are now facing job losses in the United Kingdom... Well done Cameron. Well done indeed

Cuntstainedwanker

[Zulus Thousand of em]

46000 people are now facing job losses in the United Kingdom... Well done Gordon. Well done indeed

Cuntstainedwanker

There, I fixed it for you.

[thebish]

46000 people are now facing job losses in the United Kingdom... Well done Gordon. Well done indeed

Cuntstainedwanker

There, I fixed it for you.

there you go again Zulu, with your oft-repeated fantasy that Gordon Brown is still the PM... he's not - he really isn't - the buttock-faced moron actually did take over - it wasn't just a bad dream...