Muslims, racists, individuals and attitudes.

[bobo the clown]

Well I believe in the Garden of Eden. So there.

.... & there were no cis issues then !!







Unless the snake was a bit complex.

[Hoboh]

Well I believe in the Garden of Eden. So there.

.... & there were no cis issues then !!







Unless the snake was a bit complex.

Sooo, that's where Sid retired to.

[TANGODANCER]

Pru, I'm still struggling to understand why you go to such lengths to disprove God and creationism, etc? It's your right not to believe and I doubt anybody denies you that, ( hey, even my own kids have claimed at times they don't believe, but I hope time and life will cure that) so why fight so hard in opposition? If you don't believe and have no faith, then why attack the beliefs of those who don't agree with you? If you're so confident that religion has no basis, then don't worry about it. Why adopt a " the lady doth protest too much" stance instead of just dismissing it? I don't believe Manchester United are worth a second thought, so unless somebody directly mentions them, they don't get one. You would be more in character adopting the same indifference, surely......

Much of the Bible is based on a sort of symbolism: Lamb of God, Christian fish symbol, The Holy Spirit, Light of the World, burning bush, Tree of Life, Tree of knowlege of good and evil etc,etc, and of course your famous talking snake, a convenient excuse for a "nudge,nudge, wink wink" attitude. I'm at a loss as to why you choose to be so interested in something you don't even believe exists? Just curious?

[bedwetter2]

As St Peter famously wrote in his many epistles to the Corinthians - "Let there be beer" - and there was beer, and it was good even though Timothy Taylor was not brewing at that time. "Yeah verily, keep that bloody snake away from my beer Gladys"....or something.

[malcd1]

Gay Rights Activist Killed In Bangladesh
The killings are the latest in a series of brutal attacks on minorities, atheists and liberals in the Muslim-majority nation.

Two men, including an editor of Bangladesh's only LGBT magazine, have been hacked to death by suspected Islamist extremists.

Leading gay rights activist Xulhaz Mannan and his friend were found dead in an apartment in the Bangladeshi capital Dhaka on Monday.

Police said five or six men had entered the seven-storey building under the guise of delivering a package and attacked the pair with machetes.

According to witnesses, the unidentified assailants shouted "Allahu Akbar" and fired blanks as they fled the scene.

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[bedwetter2]

Gay Rights Activist Killed In Bangladesh
The killings are the latest in a series of brutal attacks on minorities, atheists and liberals in the Muslim-majority nation.

Two men, including an editor of Bangladesh's only LGBT magazine, have been hacked to death by suspected Islamist extremists.

Leading gay rights activist Xulhaz Mannan and his friend were found dead in an apartment in the Bangladeshi capital Dhaka on Monday.

Police said five or six men had entered the seven-storey building under the guise of delivering a package and attacked the pair with machetes.

According to witnesses, the unidentified assailants shouted "Allahu Akbar" and fired blanks as they fled the scene.

http://news.sky.com/story/1684918/gay-r ... bangladesh" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Mmm.....the "religion of peace" strikes again.

[Enoch]

Mmm.....the "religion of peace" strikes again.

Might just as easily have been Ximénez, Biggles and Fang.

[Gary the Enfield]

Mmm.....the "religion of peace" strikes again.

Might just as easily have been Ximénez, Biggles and Fang.

Well, I didn't expect that!

[Bijou Bob]

I had a really interesting conversation yesterday with a young Scottish colleague who is on placement with us. Born and brought up in the north of Scotland, one of her parents is English. As a child, she and her sister moved schools a lot due to their father's occupation and at each new junior and senior school, her first job was to convince other pupils that she wasn't English, in response to quite nasty accusations on each first day. Not to be believed would lead to a year or more of fairly insidious bullying.

She described her history and language lessons, together with RE at high school of being a consistent stream of anti English rhetoric, with trips to battlefields where it was, as she put it, "Rammed down our throats that the English still have colonial ambitions around Scotland". Her youngest sister recently visited a historic battlefield at which her teacher talked at length about the savage, cowardly English slaughtering the brave but poor crofters who faced them.

Years ago, a former colleague of mine joined the cops in Scotland. He endured 3 years of dead rats in his locker, no one backing him up at large scale violent incidents and long periods being sent to Coventry. All because he was English. I had thought his experience of racism was a thing of the distant past, but clearly not.

[Enoch]

Mmm.....the "religion of peace" strikes again.

Might just as easily have been Ximénez, Biggles and Fang.

Well, I didn't expect that!

A helpful venn diagram.

[Worthy4England]

I had a really interesting conversation yesterday with a young Scottish colleague who is on placement with us. Born and brought up in the north of Scotland, one of her parents is English. As a child, she and her sister moved schools a lot due to their father's occupation and at each new junior and senior school, her first job was to convince other pupils that she wasn't English, in response to quite nasty accusations on each first day. Not to be believed would lead to a year or more of fairly insidious bullying.

She described her history and language lessons, together with RE at high school of being a consistent stream of anti English rhetoric, with trips to battlefields where it was, as she put it, "Rammed down our throats that the English still have colonial ambitions around Scotland". Her youngest sister recently visited a historic battlefield at which her teacher talked at length about the savage, cowardly English slaughtering the brave but poor crofters who faced them.

Years ago, a former colleague of mine joined the cops in Scotland. He endured 3 years of dead rats in his locker, no one backing him up at large scale violent incidents and long periods being sent to Coventry. All because he was English. I had thought his experience of racism was a thing of the distant past, but clearly not.

Well, at least that's in England.

[TANGODANCER]

Years ago, a former colleague of mine joined the cops in Scotland. He endured 3 years of dead rats in his locker, no one backing him up at large scale violent incidents and long periods being sent to Coventry. All because he was English. I had thought his experience of racism was a thing of the distant past, but clearly not.

It's not even a thing of the distant past in England and we have laws against it. Outside England.....well..?

[malcd1]

Mmm.....the "religion of peace" strikes again.

Free thinkers in Bangladesh are hacked to death by Islamists quite frequently now. Why are all those good Muslims so silent?

[Bijou Bob]

Mmm.....the "religion of peace" strikes again.

Free thinkers in Bangladesh are hacked to death by Islamists quite frequently now. Why are all those good Muslims so silent?

Are they silent?? Or is it just that they don't get their opinions published in the right wing Murdoch press or in The Daily Heil? There's certainly not room for their voice in the Express, they're too busy with their cure for cancer/cure for arthritis/weather headlines. There has, as it happens, been considerable criticism of the killings in the Bangladeshi press apparently.

[Bijou Bob]

Whilst not defending the actions, words or apparent beliefs of an incredibly stupid Labour MP, I'm getting increasingly concerned by the conflation of any criticism of Israel with anti
-semitism. Despite a concerted effort by a fanatic Jewish lobby to suggest otherwise, thereby suppressing debate about Palestine, the two are entirely separate.

[Worthy4England]

Whilst not defending the actions, words or apparent beliefs of an incredibly stupid Labour MP, I'm getting increasingly concerned by the conflation of any criticism of Israel with anti-semitism. Despite a concerted effort by a fanatic Jewish lobby to suggest otherwise, thereby suppressing debate about Palestine, the two are entirely separate.

I'm guessing from the quotes, that the Facebook posts from the MP concerned was based on this.



Racist and anti-semetic? Really? Or just pointing to a number of uncomfortable truths?

[Prufrock]

They are separate, but I can see why people get concerned given the ease with which folk slip into saying things like a "fanatic Jewish lobby". Is it about Israel, or Jews?

[Worthy4England]

They are separate, but I can see why people get concerned given the ease with which folk slip into saying things like a "fanatic Jewish lobby". Is it about Israel, or Jews?

Do you not reckon people "get concerned" and certainly "deeply offended" far too easily these days?

[Prufrock]

They are separate, but I can see why people get concerned given the ease with which folk slip into saying things like a "fanatic Jewish lobby". Is it about Israel, or Jews?

Do you not reckon people "get concerned" and certainly "deeply offended" far too easily these days?

Absolutely. I'm not up for tarring and feathering Naz Shah. She said some stupid things but has genuinely apologised (and seems to mean it, no weasel worded apology for causing offence) and to be fair it seems to have been almost universally accepted. To be fair, of all groups, I can see why Jewish people might be a tad jumpy too.

I'm not sure how much of an "anti-semitism problem" the left has. I think most of the anti Israeli sentiment is anti Americanism by proxy. However a combination of some very extreme (though certainly not necessarily anti Semitic) views on Israel (that you don't even recognise Israel's right to exist is often assumed) along with a tendency to slip from talking about Israel to talking about Jews understandably worries some people.

[bobo the clown]

I'm not sure how much of an "anti-semitism problem" the left has. I think most of the anti Israeli sentiment is anti Americanism by proxy. However a combination of some very extreme (though certainly not necessarily anti Semitic) views on Israel (that you don't even recognise Israel's right to exist is often assumed) along with a tendency to slip from talking about Israel to talking about Jews understandably worries some people.

Completely agree. But like a lot on the very left (which, actually, covers a LOT of people) there is an utterly black & white position here and no concept of any shades of grey. Like quite a lot of their thinking ... as I'm sue you've witnessed living where you do.