European Second Referendum

[Hoboh]

I see the 'people's vote' rabble have bought advertising in some tube station. Talk about own goal, t'was not that foreign country that voted leave last time
Turkey's pushing for Christmas or what do our honourable and right honourable rabble not realise that by saying this has to be settled by 'the people' in yet another vote they are as good as admitting they are a waste of time and money? Or are they just reminding everyone that they will get their way by trying every dirty trick in the book to do So?
Trust in parliament is as good as dead and as for the pillocks that masquerade as members of the labour party, the chickens have come home to roost, your dear elected leader will sit down with terrorists with no preconditions but won't do the same when invited by the PM.
Don't forget it was nothing but desperation to be elected to power by the 'we need to go left to win' that put him there so no good bleating now you so called moderates, you let him in you live with it.

[BWFC_Insane]

I see the 'people's vote' rabble have bought advertising in some tube station. Talk about own goal, t'was not that foreign country that voted leave last time
Turkey's pushing for Christmas or what do our honourable and right honourable rabble not realise that by saying this has to be settled by 'the people' in yet another vote they are as good as admitting they are a waste of time and money? Or are they just reminding everyone that they will get their way by trying every dirty trick in the book to do So?
Trust in parliament is as good as dead and as for the pillocks that masquerade as members of the labour party, the chickens have come home to roost, your dear elected leader will sit down with terrorists with no preconditions but won't do the same when invited by the PM.
Don't forget it was nothing but desperation to be elected to power by the 'we need to go left to win' that put him there so no good bleating now you so called moderates, you let him in you live with it.

There are now two rival 2nd referendum campaigns. One led by Tory MPs the other by opposition MPs. The idea is gathering momentum....

Ironically Corbyn continuing to resist a 2nd referendum is now probably your only realistic hope of avoiding one.....

[Hoboh]

I see the 'people's vote' rabble have bought advertising in some tube station. Talk about own goal, t'was not that foreign country that voted leave last time
Turkey's pushing for Christmas or what do our honourable and right honourable rabble not realise that by saying this has to be settled by 'the people' in yet another vote they are as good as admitting they are a waste of time and money? Or are they just reminding everyone that they will get their way by trying every dirty trick in the book to do So?
Trust in parliament is as good as dead and as for the pillocks that masquerade as members of the labour party, the chickens have come home to roost, your dear elected leader will sit down with terrorists with no preconditions but won't do the same when invited by the PM.
Don't forget it was nothing but desperation to be elected to power by the 'we need to go left to win' that put him there so no good bleating now you so called moderates, you let him in you live with it.

There are now two rival 2nd referendum campaigns. One led by Tory MPs the other by opposition MPs. The idea is gathering momentum....

Ironically Corbyn continuing to resist a 2nd referendum is now probably your only realistic hope of avoiding one.....

Neither that will be able to agree on the questions on the ballot paper

[Lost Leopard Spot]

...now Jeremy Corbyn getting in on the act, the thick wazzock. Invited to talks, puts a precondition of taking no deal off the table! ... How can you take No Deal off the table when there is no deal? No no deal cannot work without a deal!!! Yet another with a lack of logic!

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How can you take no deal off the table?

State that if no deal can be reached you will revoke A50.

It’s really quite simple. If you had a logical brain. Which clearly you don’t....

You see, that doesn't take no deal off the table - it takes Brexit off the table.

Listen, and I mean listen:
You put your house on the market and ask £200,000 for it.
Weeks pass and nobody puts in an offer. Then some scroat says he'll buy it for £50.
You at that point have three alternatives; accept his fifty quid; tell him to get fxcked, you're waiting for a realistic offer; or withdraw your house from sale.
You don't have the option of saying to the potential buyer that you Don't accept that he Can't buy the house at £200,000!!!

If you haven't got a deal, YOU CANNOT DEMAND TO HAVE NO 'NO DEAL'.

You see: Logic. Try it sometime. It might improve your life.

[BWFC_Insane]

...now Jeremy Corbyn getting in on the act, the thick wazzock. Invited to talks, puts a precondition of taking no deal off the table! ... How can you take No Deal off the table when there is no deal? No no deal cannot work without a deal!!! Yet another with a lack of logic!

on

How can you take no deal off the table?

State that if no deal can be reached you will revoke A50.

It’s really quite simple. If you had a logical brain. Which clearly you don’t....

You see, that doesn't take no deal off the table - it takes Brexit off the table.
Listen, and I mean listen:
You put your house on the market and ask £200000 for it.
Weeks pass and nobody puts in an offer. Then some scroat says he'll buy it for £50.
You at that point have three alternatives; accept his fifty quid; tell him to get fxcked, you're waiting for a realistic offer; or withdraw your house from sale.
You don't have the option of saying to the potential buyer that you Don't accept that he Can't buy the house at £200,000!!!

If you haven't got a deal, YOU CANNOT DEMAND TO HAVE NO 'NO DEAL'.

You see: Logic. Try it sometime. It might improve your life.

That analogy doesn't make sense.

The point is that the entirety of the opposition (and a lot of the Tories) are united in being against No deal. You can take it off the table. Doing so harms any chance of a hard brexit. But then the opposition parties (and many Tories) do not want a hard brexit.

Logically I have outlined HOW you can take no deal off the table. You of course may not like the outcome of doing so. But that does not negate the fact that you CAN take it off the table.

You aren't very good at logic clearly!

[Lost Leopard Spot]

...now Jeremy Corbyn getting in on the act, the thick wazzock. Invited to talks, puts a precondition of taking no deal off the table! ... How can you take No Deal off the table when there is no deal? No no deal cannot work without a deal!!! Yet another with a lack of logic!

on

How can you take no deal off the table?

State that if no deal can be reached you will revoke A50.

It’s really quite simple. If you had a logical brain. Which clearly you don’t....

You see, that doesn't take no deal off the table - it takes Brexit off the table.
Listen, and I mean listen:
You put your house on the market and ask £200000 for it.
Weeks pass and nobody puts in an offer. Then some scroat says he'll buy it for £50.
You at that point have three alternatives; accept his fifty quid; tell him to get fxcked, you're waiting for a realistic offer; or withdraw your house from sale.
You don't have the option of saying to the potential buyer that you Don't accept that he Can't buy the house at £200,000!!!

If you haven't got a deal, YOU CANNOT DEMAND TO HAVE NO 'NO DEAL'.

You see: Logic. Try it sometime. It might improve your life.

That analogy doesn't make sense.

The point is that the entirety of the opposition (and a lot of the Tories) are united in being against No deal. You can take it off the table. Doing so harms any chance of a hard brexit. But then the opposition parties (and many Tories) do not want a hard brexit.

Logically I have outlined HOW you can take no deal off the table. You of course may not like the outcome of doing so. But that does not negate the fact that you CAN take it off the table.

You aren't very good at logic clearly!

You really are showing your ignorance here.
This is the last time I'm going to try to educate you.

You can remove Brexit as an option, quite clearly.
You cannot demand no 'no deal' when a deal doesn't exist.
You are conflating no deal brexit to be brexit, they are two different things. If you'd actually learnt logic, you'd understand one thing is a class the other is a clause. You cannot demand the negative of a clause when the clause does not exist! Does that make it any fxcking clearer????

[Prufrock]

It's an inane debate about an expression that just doesn't work in context. Of in terms of any cross bench negotiations you can "take it off the table" in the sense no one who is going to be invited wants it or will argue for it.

But more widely, it remains the default option. The only way to "take it off the table" is to revoke Art 50. And May obviously isn't going to do that (now, anyway) and almost certainly can't without a vote in Parliament. It's not enough for them all to agree they don't want no deal, they have to pick something else.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

It's an inane debate about an expression that just doesn't work in context. Of in terms of any cross bench negotiations you can "take it off the table" in the sense no one who is going to be invited wants it or will argue for it.

But more widely, it remains the default option. The only way to "take it off the table" is to revoke Art 50. And May obviously isn't going to do that (now, anyway) and almost certainly can't without a vote in Parliament. It's not enough for them all to agree they don't want no deal, they have to pick something else.

Inane debate? Excuse fxcking me, try telling that to Socrates.

But, yes. The legal default position is simple withdrawal from the EU on 29th March.

(On a secondary note: I've seen quite a few politico commentators who are recently trying to twist a position, Viz we joined a common market which has morphed into a pseudo-state, so why not just have a customs union and revert back to why we joined in the first place?

Indeed why not? Because back then the rules of the customs union were democratically debated. No democratic decision making for 'third parties' would be allowed now by the super-state, is why not!)

[BWFC_Insane]

...now Jeremy Corbyn getting in on the act, the thick wazzock. Invited to talks, puts a precondition of taking no deal off the table! ... How can you take No Deal off the table when there is no deal? No no deal cannot work without a deal!!! Yet another with a lack of logic!

on

How can you take no deal off the table?

State that if no deal can be reached you will revoke A50.

It’s really quite simple. If you had a logical brain. Which clearly you don’t....

You see, that doesn't take no deal off the table - it takes Brexit off the table.
Listen, and I mean listen:
You put your house on the market and ask £200000 for it.
Weeks pass and nobody puts in an offer. Then some scroat says he'll buy it for £50.
You at that point have three alternatives; accept his fifty quid; tell him to get fxcked, you're waiting for a realistic offer; or withdraw your house from sale.
You don't have the option of saying to the potential buyer that you Don't accept that he Can't buy the house at £200,000!!!

If you haven't got a deal, YOU CANNOT DEMAND TO HAVE NO 'NO DEAL'.

You see: Logic. Try it sometime. It might improve your life.

That analogy doesn't make sense.

The point is that the entirety of the opposition (and a lot of the Tories) are united in being against No deal. You can take it off the table. Doing so harms any chance of a hard brexit. But then the opposition parties (and many Tories) do not want a hard brexit.

Logically I have outlined HOW you can take no deal off the table. You of course may not like the outcome of doing so. But that does not negate the fact that you CAN take it off the table.

You aren't very good at logic clearly!

You really are showing your ignorance here.
This is the last time I'm going to try to educate you.

You can remove Brexit as an option, quite clearly.
You cannot demand no 'no deal' when a deal doesn't exist.
You are conflating no deal brexit to be brexit, they are two different things. If you'd actually learnt logic, you'd understand one thing is a class the other is a clause. You cannot demand the negative of a clause when the clause does not exist! Does that make it any fxcking clearer????

Wowsers. It is a perfectly reasonable position to say the plan is "negotiate a deal - IF a deal is not obtainable - revoke Article 50"

That rules out a no deal brexit. Because either a) you have Brexit via a deal OR b) no brexit

That is "taking no deal off the table". If you want a debate about semantics of language, if that is what you think is important, then - I'm out and you are an even bigger loon than the one I had you down for.

But clearly you can in the circumstances we are in rule out exiting the EU without a deal. If you choose to.

[BWFC_Insane]

It's an inane debate about an expression that just doesn't work in context. Of in terms of any cross bench negotiations you can "take it off the table" in the sense no one who is going to be invited wants it or will argue for it.

But more widely, it remains the default option. The only way to "take it off the table" is to revoke Art 50. And May obviously isn't going to do that (now, anyway) and almost certainly can't without a vote in Parliament. It's not enough for them all to agree they don't want no deal, they have to pick something else.

She can't without a vote in Parliament. But there is a majority to avoid a "no deal exit". Hence why, she could rule out the option.

I'm not arguing she should by the way. Just that all the opposition leaders have asked her to do that.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

It's an inane debate about an expression that just doesn't work in context. Of in terms of any cross bench negotiations you can "take it off the table" in the sense no one who is going to be invited wants it or will argue for it.

But more widely, it remains the default option. The only way to "take it off the table" is to revoke Art 50. And May obviously isn't going to do that (now, anyway) and almost certainly can't without a vote in Parliament. It's not enough for them all to agree they don't want no deal, they have to pick something else.

She can't without a vote in Parliament. But there is a majority to avoid a "no deal exit". Hence why, she could rule out the option.

I'm not arguing she should by the way. Just that all the opposition leaders have asked her to do that.

And again, once again, how do you have Brexit and avoid a no deal, when there isn't a deal?

(Corbyn, by the way is avoiding all options, he's the biggest frit tit in politics ever)

[BWFC_Insane]

It's an inane debate about an expression that just doesn't work in context. Of in terms of any cross bench negotiations you can "take it off the table" in the sense no one who is going to be invited wants it or will argue for it.

But more widely, it remains the default option. The only way to "take it off the table" is to revoke Art 50. And May obviously isn't going to do that (now, anyway) and almost certainly can't without a vote in Parliament. It's not enough for them all to agree they don't want no deal, they have to pick something else.

She can't without a vote in Parliament. But there is a majority to avoid a "no deal exit". Hence why, she could rule out the option.

I'm not arguing she should by the way. Just that all the opposition leaders have asked her to do that.

And again, once again, how do you have Brexit and avoid a no deal, when there isn't a deal?

(Corbyn, by the way is avoiding all options, he's the biggest frit tit in politics ever)

By NOT having Brexit if a deal cannot be agreed. That isn't hard to understand and I'm sure you understand.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

An inordinate number of millionaires lining up to endorse a People's Vote. A bit like Patricians calling for the plebs to endorse patrician rights, just before the Republic (SPQR) turned into the Empire.

[Prufrock]

It's an inane debate about an expression that just doesn't work in context. Of in terms of any cross bench negotiations you can "take it off the table" in the sense no one who is going to be invited wants it or will argue for it.

But more widely, it remains the default option. The only way to "take it off the table" is to revoke Art 50. And May obviously isn't going to do that (now, anyway) and almost certainly can't without a vote in Parliament. It's not enough for them all to agree they don't want no deal, they have to pick something else.

Inane debate? Excuse fxcking me, try telling that to Socrates.

But, yes. The legal default position is simple withdrawal from the EU on 29th March.

(On a secondary note: I've seen quite a few politico commentators who are recently trying to twist a position, Viz we joined a common market which has morphed into a pseudo-state, so why not just have a customs union and revert back to why we joined in the first place?

Indeed why not? Because back then the rules of the customs union were democratically debated. No democratic decision making for 'third parties' would be allowed now by the super-state, is why not!)

I meant specifically over whether something was "on" or "off the table", but having studied Plato I'm fairly sure the current debate would have seen Sockers ordering a double hemlock & coke

[BWFC_Insane]

An inordinate number of millionaires lining up to endorse a People's Vote. A bit like Patricians calling for the plebs to endorse patrician rights, just before the Republic (SPQR) turned into the Empire.

How many millionaires endorsed the Brexit campaign?

Farage who takes private jets to get around (that he claims he pays for himself) isn't one of the elite of course. Oh no. He's just a regular bloke like you and me - I'm hiring private planes all the time!

[Lost Leopard Spot]

And again, once again, how do you have Brexit and avoid a no deal, when there isn't a deal?

By NOT having Brexit if a deal cannot be agreed. That isn't hard to understand and I'm sure you understand.

Fxck me!
At least try reading. You know r e a d i n g

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I meant specifically over whether something was "on" or "off the table", but having studied Plato I'm fairly sure the current debate would have seen Sockers ordering a double hemlock & coke

I'm about to down my third (handpicked hemlock, craft gin and Pepsi). I feel slightly sick with hints of evaporating mortality...

[Prufrock]

How warm are your shins?

I was going to suggest a double hemlock & tonic but thought some smartarse might be along to point about a hemlock & tonic would be as effective as a poison & antidote!

[Lost Leopard Spot]

An inordinate number of millionaires lining up to endorse a People's Vote. A bit like Patricians calling for the plebs to endorse patrician rights, just before the Republic (SPQR) turned into the Empire.

How many millionaires endorsed the Brexit campaign?

Farage who takes private jets to get around (that he claims he pays for himself) isn't one of the elite of course. Oh no. He's just a regular bloke like you and me - I'm hiring private planes all the time!

Quite.
You're not a student of history either, are you. The Empire came about because the 'leading' plebians were as corrupt and uncontrollable as the fxcking patricians....

[Lost Leopard Spot]

How warm are your shins?

I was going to suggest a double hemlock & tonic but thought some smartarse might be along to point about a hemlock & tonic would be as effective as a poison & antidote!

I'm already on the tonics. I actually want to live to see whatever dire future we've been cast into...