The Politics Thread

[thebish]

seems harsh just for coming up with an idea.

what exactly does that idea amount to? specifically?

[Hoboh]

Not really fishing for votes or anything but this would never happen on planet hoboh, you could all go about your lives in peace.

[William the White]

Not really fishing for votes or anything but this would never happen on planet hoboh, you could all go about your lives in peace.

Even the human rights knobs?

[Hoboh]

Not really fishing for votes or anything but this would never happen on planet hoboh, you could all go about your lives in peace.

Even the human rights knobs?

There would be no need for them William, no need at all but yes even they would exist in peace. I would need tefal heads too you know, great thinkers, even if I did ignore them at least they would feel important.

[thebish]

good days to bury bad news and look tough over law and order...

the UK Growth forecasts have been downgraded yet again... (and this was before the latest mass-cacking-of-the-pants by global markets...)

[Prufrock]

good days to bury bad news and look tough over law and order...

the UK Growth forecasts have been downgraded yet again... (and this was before the latest mass-cacking-of-the-pants by global markets...)

Honestly, can we not just scrap it all and start again? Everyone is fooked apart from China, and even if we started again from nothing they'd soon be top of the roost. Call it all off, then gather all the bankers together and tell them to stop making numbers up, there is only so much stuff, so can we stop pissing about selling things twice, and do nice simple stuff that exists trading?

[Il Pirate]

Michael Gove on BBC news........................" We'll give more power to teachers to deal with unruly pupils"................................cnut

like all that wanky guff about tackling house-burglars that some people fell for a while ago - I'd ask him specifically WHAT powers... my guess is that it will amount to nothing more than a soundbite to suit the moment...

Spoken after watching a newsreel of a modern day Fagin's gang looting a shop. ( Q. Where's the parental responsibilty? - Gove chips in with the above...................cnut

[thebish]

Heard Pickles on t'radio this morning...

apparently he wants it to sound like he's serious about evicting all council house tenants and those who are housed with the help of housing benefit if they are convicted for looting...

(now - I guess we all know that he will quietly drop the idea in 3 months time when the news wagon has moved on elsewhere... but...)

seriously... this is basically an idea to punish poor people MORE for the same crimes that richer people commit.

the 20yr old yob whose parents are rich and have bought him a flat (or who lives with them) will simply get the custodial sentence (if we are to belive Dave that they will all be gaoled) - the council house yob will get the gaol sentence PLUS be made homeless and penniless and be flung out onto the street with his children... (I suspect the govt hopes they will simply disappear....)


also - it seems the popo are incandescent with rage that Cameron should publically dress them down for getting it all wrong while he was sunning himself on a beach - and only get it right when he and Theresa come back and tell them how to do it....

Bravo Dave - you saved us all!

[Lofthouse Lower]

So?

Take the benefits away from those convicted - complete no brainer.

[Bruce Rioja]

Heard Pickles on t'radio this morning...

apparently he wants it to sound like he's serious about evicting all council house tenants and those who are housed with the help of housing benefit if they are convicted for looting...

Prescott last night came out with his only ever worthwhile remark about anything (I'm guessing that it'd been scripted for him ). If 'the looter' is an 18 year old living at home with his parents, are we supposed to throw his/her parents out too?

The whole thing is basically unworkable and ridiculous.

[thebish]

Heard Pickles on t'radio this morning...

apparently he wants it to sound like he's serious about evicting all council house tenants and those who are housed with the help of housing benefit if they are convicted for looting...

Prescott last night came out with his only ever worthwhile remark about anything (I'm guessing that it'd been scripted for him ). If 'the looter' is an 18 year old living at home with his parents, are we supposed to throw his/her parents out too?

The whole thing is basically unworkable and ridiculous.

indeed - it is.. the Government will bang on about it - sounding tough - and then blame "faceless European bureaucrats" or "human rights legislation" for stopping them doing it - when basically they know from the start how ludicrously ridiculous it is....

[thebish]

Dave's big words about the full weight of the law and harsh, uncompromising sentencing seem to have meant - "as we were before"...

some of the sentencing has been talked about today - from the magistrates courts...

one bloke got 6months for looting (stole some water) - probably aggravated by rioting..
another got 3months for assaulting a police officer (which is par for the course if you plead guilty)

in other words - pretty much as we were....

they haven't locked up the 11yr old in a maximum security facility either, yet... he was old enough to commit the crime.....

[Lofthouse Lower]

R5 - Take away their house and benefits - then what?
Pickles - Get a job?

Pickles

[TANGODANCER]

Heard Pickles on t'radio this morning...

apparently he wants it to sound like he's serious about evicting all council house tenants and those who are housed with the help of housing benefit if they are convicted for looting...

Prescott last night came out with his only ever worthwhile remark about anything (I'm guessing that it'd been scripted for him ). If 'the looter' is an 18 year old living at home with his parents, are we supposed to throw his/her parents out too?

The whole thing is basically unworkable and ridiculous.

Sounds like a good way to organise the biggest riots ever. Make em all homeless so they can all get together in gangs, maybe form a looters union. Take their benefits away and leave them penilless so that crime is their only source of income. Brainless nonesense. Not sure what the solution is, but this definitely isn't it. Prevention's always been better than any cure so that's got to be step one somehow.

Is there still plenty room in Australia?

[Hoboh]

Bullets are the real solution, no one loots from a grave, deep down you all know it!!

[BWFC_Insane]

Heard Pickles on t'radio this morning...

apparently he wants it to sound like he's serious about evicting all council house tenants and those who are housed with the help of housing benefit if they are convicted for looting...

Prescott last night came out with his only ever worthwhile remark about anything (I'm guessing that it'd been scripted for him ). If 'the looter' is an 18 year old living at home with his parents, are we supposed to throw his/her parents out too?

The whole thing is basically unworkable and ridiculous.

Sounds like a good way to organise the biggest riots ever. Make em all homeless so they can all get together in gangs, maybe form a looters union. Take their benefits away and leave them penilless so that crime is their only source of income. Brainless nonesense. Not sure what the solution is, but this definitely isn't it. Prevention's always been better than any cure so that's got to be step one somehow.

Is there still plenty room in Australia?

I agree with Bish, BR and TD, wowzers!

Never seen so much sense on here!

[Hoboh]

Heard Pickles on t'radio this morning...

apparently he wants it to sound like he's serious about evicting all council house tenants and those who are housed with the help of housing benefit if they are convicted for looting...

Prescott last night came out with his only ever worthwhile remark about anything (I'm guessing that it'd been scripted for him ). If 'the looter' is an 18 year old living at home with his parents, are we supposed to throw his/her parents out too?

The whole thing is basically unworkable and ridiculous.

Sounds like a good way to organise the biggest riots ever. Make em all homeless so they can all get together in gangs, maybe form a looters union. Take their benefits away and leave them penilless so that crime is their only source of income. Brainless nonesense. Not sure what the solution is, but this definitely isn't it. Prevention's always been better than any cure so that's got to be step one somehow.

Is there still plenty room in Australia?

I agree with Bish, BR and TD, wowzers!

Never seen so much sense on here!

+1 stupid idea that

[Lord Kangana]

Dave's big words about the full weight of the law and harsh, uncompromising sentencing seem to have meant - "as we were before"...

some of the sentencing has been talked about today - from the magistrates courts...

one bloke got 6months for looting (stole some water) - probably aggravated by rioting..
another got 3months for assaulting a police officer (which is par for the course if you plead guilty)

in other words - pretty much as we were....

they haven't locked up the 11yr old in a maximum security facility either, yet... he was old enough to commit the crime.....

We were talking about this at work the other day.

I've been saying for a couple of days that unless some emergency legislation was pushed through, we'd have to deal with them within the existing legal framework. I think theres going to be a lot of groans and moans from the public gallery as first time offenders are given what first time offenders are always given. Despite the rhetoric.

Unless someone knows of some special consideration that can be used (mummy?) to deal with exceptional circumstances.

[William the White]

Dave's big words about the full weight of the law and harsh, uncompromising sentencing seem to have meant - "as we were before"...

some of the sentencing has been talked about today - from the magistrates courts...

one bloke got 6months for looting (stole some water) - probably aggravated by rioting..
another got 3months for assaulting a police officer (which is par for the course if you plead guilty)

in other words - pretty much as we were....

they haven't locked up the 11yr old in a maximum security facility either, yet... he was old enough to commit the crime.....

We were talking about this at work the other day.

I've been saying for a couple of days that unless some emergency legislation was pushed through, we'd have to deal with them within the existing legal framework. I think theres going to be a lot of groans and moans from the public gallery as first time offenders are given what first time offenders are always given. Despite the rhetoric.

Unless someone knows of some special consideration that can be used (mummy?) to deal with exceptional circumstances.

mummy's busy saving up so he can commit random acts of vandalism...

[thebish]

We were talking about this at work the other day.

I've been saying for a couple of days that unless some emergency legislation was pushed through, we'd have to deal with them within the existing legal framework. I think theres going to be a lot of groans and moans from the public gallery as first time offenders are given what first time offenders are always given. Despite the rhetoric.

Unless someone knows of some special consideration that can be used (mummy?) to deal with exceptional circumstances.

there are quite detailed tariffs for the various crimes - which can be lessened for some factors (eg - pleading guilty straightaway) and increased for "aggravating" factors (I suspect being part of a riot is one of them - as is being under the influence of alcohol - and probably any racial factor) - but they can still only be aggravated up to the top limit of a defined range - as I understand it.

there has been no change to the sentencing tariffs - so you are 100% correct - they will be given what they have always been given - except there will probably be an across the board aggravating factor of being involved in a riot... so they might look marginally higher - but not massively so.