Today I'm angry about.....

[Gravedigger]

The Lib Dems are only sharing power because the Tories needed them to get a majority. In that instance I think the Tories manifesto would be far more important than the Lids and said Lids's manifesto is now all bollux. I don't mind chucking something into the pot to get, for instance, doctors, nurses, dentists, car mechanics qualified, but I don't see how anyone can expect the taxpayer to subsidise those useless degrees that the majority now seem to go for. I have a friend whose child has done a history degree and she now works as a barmaid, another majored in Jewish studies and similar barmaid, another did digital art and has been unemployed for over a year. That to me seems to be a bit of a waste of money. Anyway, do what I did if funds are tight, get a scholarship. Must be great bragging to the rest of the dole queue how one went to uni and is now looking forward to a life on benefits. I just hope this lot will call a general election soon, to break up the monotony if nothing else.

[Prufrock]

I thought they made promises based on them winning the election?

That's how I see it as well.

well, you're wrong too then.

Indeed. Surely a manifesto promise still stands as a promise, regardless of whether you're in power, sharing power or in opposition. Manifesto - from the Latin, meaning clear or conspicuous.

They said they would oppose rises in tuition fees. They could still have done so, regardless of whether they are a minority party in a coalition. It might have brought the coalition down, so they chose to save their own skins instead of following their guiding principles.

That makes them lying bastards - maybe no different than any other lying bastards, but given some people would have levelled that criticism at the previous government, it's a little difficult to defend it now.

not only was there the manifesto promise - couched in "we" terms - "we" being the liberal democrats, but there was alos the individual pledges that they all signed.

if you were really crafty you might argue rather tortuously that the promise in the manifesto was based on the unwritten idea that the manifesto was a document predicated on the assumption of a Lib Dem government..

BUT

that can not be said of the individual pledges - they were "I" statements - and there was no smallprint - and they were EXPLICITLY NOT predicated on the assumption of a libdem government - in fact - the wording of the individual pledges suggested NOT being in power and opposing it...

here's a picture of one:



That is clear and unequivocal - and ALL prospective LibDem MPs signed it - most of them very publically.

so - CAPS and Keveh... manifestly NOT based on them winning the election - I am afraid you have swallowed some of the libdem post-election spin...

Got rid of the pic to save space. This is, I think, why there is so much anger. There is a debate as to whether there should be fees, whether they should be higher or lower. What there is no debate about is that Lib Dem MPs lied. The issue of their manifesto is one thing, but they signed individual pledges that they as individual MPs would vote against any rise. The question of whether or not they have a majority is irrelevant here, because if they had a majority there wouldn't be any rises planned to vote against! They were elected on promises they have directly gone against, and that is why people are angry.

[CAPSLOCK]

This is the deal boys n girls

If you go to Uni, you'll have to pay this

It's not after the eventing, it's the rules being made clear up front

And folk are angry

Wait til they get in the real world and folk make decisions based on 'how it is' then the rules get changed

Angry...fcuking hell

Angry won't come close

So yeah, I'm happy to see the lawless wankers klilled

[thebish]

This is the deal boys n girls

If you go to Uni, you'll have to pay this

that was also the deal last year and the year before - keep up....

[CAPSLOCK]

No, the 'this' has changed, smartarse

Play your silly little games with Tango.... he'll tolerate you

[thebish]

No, the 'this' has changed, smartarse

Play your silly little games with Tango.... he'll tolerate you

no shit sherlock - are you telling us that student fees have gone up?

[Harry Genshaw]

So yeah, I'm happy to see the lawless wankers klilled

Would that include klilling the wankers that have no idea what 'reasonable force' is?

By all means, condemn the violence, but condemn it on both sides

[CAPSLOCK]

I'm telling you that people are being told the rules before we start

Seems perfectly fair


Anyway, my mood has improved with the news one of the little shits got cracked around the skull with a nasty policemans truncheon

Poor love

I'll be cracking open a celebratory sup, later

[Worthy4England]

Wait til they get in the real world and folk make decisions based on 'how it is' then the rules get changed

Strangely enough, that's often by someone I didn't vote for and quite frankly aren't accountable to me and invariably have promised me nothing other than they'll try keep me in a job as long as it works out financially for them (and me).

Not remotely the same ruleset.

And there are plenty of us, in this real world that only exists after education - although you would have us believe occasionally, that there's only you inhabit it - that see it differently than you (I'm certainly not condoning the scrotes btw - I'm all in favour of flogging 'em).

When all's said n done, yes the rules change before the event, but the means that has allowed that to occur, is by a group of people going against what were only 6/12 months ago "deeply held convictions".

At least the tw@t in the real world that changes the rules probably never promised me much in the first place around the fact that they wouldn't.

[CAPSLOCK]

So yeah, I'm happy to see the lawless wankers klilled

Would that include klilling the wankers that have no idea what 'reasonable force' is?

By all means, condemn the violence, but condemn it on both sides

As you will have deduced, my tolerance of those there cos they are told to be to do their job is greater than my tolerance of the scruffies

And reasonable force to stop the dickhead smashing windows with his spade would be very, very forceful

[thebish]

quite right too....

THE son of legendary Pink Floyd guitarist David Gilmour has apologised for climbing the Cenotaph during yesterday's student protests.
Charlie Gilmour today said he "would like to express his deepest apologies for the terrible insult to the thousands of people who died bravely for our country".
He added he was "mortified" by his "moment of idiocy".

In his statement, Gilmour said he did not realise what the monument was.
His statement reads: "I would like to express my deepest apologies for the terrible insult to the thousands of people who died bravely for our country that my actions represented.
"I feel nothing but shame. My intention was not to attack or defile the Cenotaph.
"Running along with a crowd of people who had just been violently repelled by the police, I got caught up in the spirit of the moment.
"I did not realise that it was the Cenotaph and if I had, I certainly would not have done what I did.
"I feel additionally mortified that my moment of idiocy has distracted so much from the message yesterday's protest was trying to send out.
"Those who are commemorated by the Cenotaph died to protect the very freedoms that allow the people of Britain the right to protest and I feel deeply ashamed to have, although unintentionally and unknowingly, insulted the memory of them.
"Ignorance is the poorest of excuses but I am sincerely sorry."

[Worthy4England]

We don't need no education.....

[CAPSLOCK]

It is quite right and he can now live

He can break rocks foir the next 20 years

Scum

[William the White]

I'm telling you that people are being told the rules before we start

Seems perfectly fair


Anyway, my mood has improved with the news one of the little shits got cracked around the skull with a nasty policemans truncheon

Poor love

I'll be cracking open a celebratory sup, later

it was touch and go, had to have an emergency op, but he seems out of danger now.

I hope he makes a full recovery and gets a first.

[thebish]

I'm telling you that people are being told the rules before we start

Seems perfectly fair


Anyway, my mood has improved with the news one of the little shits got cracked around the skull with a nasty policemans truncheon

Poor love

I'll be cracking open a celebratory sup, later

it was touch and go, had to have an emergency op, but he seems out of danger now.

I hope he makes a full recovery and gets a first.

bummer - a young person is going to live.... better put that champers on ice, CAPS...

[William the White]

I'm telling you that people are being told the rules before we start

Seems perfectly fair


Anyway, my mood has improved with the news one of the little shits got cracked around the skull with a nasty policemans truncheon

Poor love

I'll be cracking open a celebratory sup, later

it was touch and go, had to have an emergency op, but he seems out of danger now.

I hope he makes a full recovery and gets a first.

bummer - a young person is going to live.... better put that champers on ice, CAPS...

His mum was on R4 at one... lovely woman, managing to remain calm and rational even given the sickeningly worrying night she'd been through... She's a university lecturer herself and had been on the demonstration...

The police complaints commission (I think) has launched an investigation into the incident, which is good news.

[Hoboh]

I'm telling you that people are being told the rules before we start

Seems perfectly fair


Anyway, my mood has improved with the news one of the little shits got cracked around the skull with a nasty policemans truncheon

Poor love

I'll be cracking open a celebratory sup, later

it was touch and go, had to have an emergency op, but he seems out of danger now.

I hope he makes a full recovery and gets a first.

bummer - a young person is going to live.... better put that champers on ice, CAPS...

His mum was on R4 at one... lovely woman, managing to remain calm and rational even given the sickeningly worrying night she'd been through... She's a university lecturer herself and had been on the demonstration...

The police complaints commission (I think) has launched an investigation into the incident, which is good news.

It will be if they get to the bottom of why he got away!! I suppose the scrote will be one of the poor innocents who just happened to have a brick in his hand

To Ratbert
So the debate only goes well when backing scum who cost a fortune to educate in the first place, fees or no fees who then hand the taxpayers an even bigger bill to clean up after and police the idiots?
These are the lucky ones who get to Uni in the first place and are supposed to be the next elite leaders of their fields, Balls they are trash no better than the hoodies terrorising council estates and should be serverly dealt with!
This is the angry thread and too true I'm steaming over these w*nkers, castrate the feckin' lot!

[Lord Kangana]

On refelction, if the opposite "side" to mine is advocating the death of a young student, then on balance, I'm comfortable on my side of the fence.

And they should be thankful that there are enough of us who won't allow them the world they want. Cos they'd f*ckin hate it.

[TANGODANCER]

We don't need no education.....

Just another brick through a window.

[Hoboh]

On refelction, if the opposite "side" to mine is advocating the death of a young student, then on balance, I'm comfortable on my side of the fence.

And they should be thankful that there are enough of us who won't allow them the world they want. Cos they'd f*ckin hate it.

I always had you down for a splinter picker your lordship!

You saying you just like scratching your ass?