The Politics Thread

[thebish]

Should be fun. Think it's only 2 hours free parking at Sainsbury's'. After that, can charge the pikey feckers some extortionate amount. Hopefully, if they don't pay, they can be towed away to that little patch of land near my house...

[BWFC_Insane]

Tis bollocks though.

If we don't let these travellers break the law on public land, then they'll only go and do it on private land. Well that's ok then....

[thebish]

Tis bollocks though.

If we don't let these travellers break the law on public land, then they'll only go and do it on private land. Well that's ok then....

(the Basildon site under discussion is NOT public land)

[BWFC_Insane]

Tis bollocks though.

If we don't let these travellers break the law on public land, then they'll only go and do it on private land. Well that's ok then....

(the Basildon site under discussion is NOT public land)

Yes I know, but point being, saying if we move them on from here they'll only go and do the same wrong things elsewhere is not really acceptable.

[thebish]

Tis bollocks though.

If we don't let these travellers break the law on public land, then they'll only go and do it on private land. Well that's ok then....

(the Basildon site under discussion is NOT public land)

Yes I know, but point being, saying if we move them on from here they'll only go and do the same wrong things elsewhere is not really acceptable.

yes - that bit I agree, to a point. Just commenting in case anyone might misunderstand and assume from what you said that the Basildon site is on "public land".

however - given that there are not enough "legal" sites - where are you suggesting they go when evicted? (at least Worthy has offered alternatives - Wales/Outer Hebrides/William's back garden.)

[Worthy4England]

Tis bollocks though.

If we don't let these travellers break the law on public land, then they'll only go and do it on private land. Well that's ok then....

(the Basildon site under discussion is NOT public land)

Yes I know, but point being, saying if we move them on from here they'll only go and do the same wrong things elsewhere is not really acceptable.

yes - that bit I agree, to a point. Just commenting in case anyone might misunderstand and assume from what you said that the Basildon site is on "public land".

however - given that there are not enough "legal" sites - where are you suggesting they go when evicted? (at least Worthy has offered alternatives - Wales/Outer Hebrides/William's back garden.)

I did also point out that for the Irish ones, there's plenty of land in their homeland.

[BWFC_Insane]

Tis bollocks though.

If we don't let these travellers break the law on public land, then they'll only go and do it on private land. Well that's ok then....

(the Basildon site under discussion is NOT public land)

Yes I know, but point being, saying if we move them on from here they'll only go and do the same wrong things elsewhere is not really acceptable.

yes - that bit I agree, to a point. Just commenting in case anyone might misunderstand and assume from what you said that the Basildon site is on "public land".

however - given that there are not enough "legal" sites - where are you suggesting they go when evicted? (at least Worthy has offered alternatives - Wales/Outer Hebrides/William's back garden.)

Ermm well I guess do what everyone else has to and buy some suitable land, on which they can acquire the relevant legal permissions?

[thebish]

Ermm well I guess do what everyone else has to and buy some suitable land, on which they can acquire the relevant legal permissions?

hmmm... rarely offered O insane one! councils nearly always find reasons not to, fuelled largely by local outrage...

there's a hole in my bucket, dear Liza, dear Liza.....

[BWFC_Insane]

Ermm well I guess do what everyone else has to and buy some suitable land, on which they can acquire the relevant legal permissions?

hmmm... rarely offered O insane one! councils nearly always find reasons not to, fuelled largely by local outrage...

there's a hole in my bucket, dear Liza, dear Liza.....

But thems the laws of the land we all have to live by. Don't see why we should make exceptions!

[thebish]

Ermm well I guess do what everyone else has to and buy some suitable land, on which they can acquire the relevant legal permissions?

hmmm... rarely offered O insane one! councils nearly always find reasons not to, fuelled largely by local outrage...

there's a hole in my bucket, dear Liza, dear Liza.....

But thems the laws of the land we all have to live by. Don't see why we should make exceptions!

councils DO make exceptions - they deny planning permission to perfectly sensible proposals for traveling showman sites for a plethora of bollox reasons that suddenly DON'T apply to other proposed developments. that's the nub of the problem...

[BWFC_Insane]

Ermm well I guess do what everyone else has to and buy some suitable land, on which they can acquire the relevant legal permissions?

hmmm... rarely offered O insane one! councils nearly always find reasons not to, fuelled largely by local outrage...

there's a hole in my bucket, dear Liza, dear Liza.....

But thems the laws of the land we all have to live by. Don't see why we should make exceptions!

councils DO make exceptions - they deny planning permission to perfectly sensible proposals for traveling showman sites for a plethora of bollox reasons that suddenly DON'T apply to other proposed developments. that's the nub of the problem...

Given E&D rules and impact assessments etc it wouldn't be too hard to review planning decisions and see if they adhere to those or not. I suspect that in these times there will be less bias than you make out.

[Worthy4England]

tough. The council is elected to try and protect local interests. If they pikeys altered public perception, they might not have such a problem

[thebish]

tough. The council is elected to try and protect local interests. If they pikeys altered public perception, they might not have such a problem

I asked BWFCi where they might go if evicted if NOT the local supermarket car park. he suggested an option - which is not really an immediate option - so not really an answer (unless you imagine that the "pikeys" can effect an image-shift in public consciousness, buy land, apply for planning permission and move onto it before nightfall on the day of eviction. If they can't - then the question really remains - where does BWFCi suggest they go?

[thebish]

Given E&D rules and impact assessments etc it wouldn't be too hard to review planning decisions and see if they adhere to those or not. I suspect that in these times there will be less bias than you make out.

I don't.

[Worthy4England]

tough. The council is elected to try and protect local interests. If they pikeys altered public perception, they might not have such a problem

I asked BWFCi where they might go if evicted if NOT the local supermarket car park. he suggested an option - which is not really an immediate option - so not really an answer (unless you imagine that the "pikeys" can effect an image-shift in public consciousness, buy land, apply for planning permission and move onto it before nightfall on the day of eviction. If they can't - then the question really remains - where does BWFCi suggest they go?

Round in circles. Council house...home.....wales....chad

[thebish]

tough. The council is elected to try and protect local interests. If they pikeys altered public perception, they might not have such a problem

I asked BWFCi where they might go if evicted if NOT the local supermarket car park. he suggested an option - which is not really an immediate option - so not really an answer (unless you imagine that the "pikeys" can effect an image-shift in public consciousness, buy land, apply for planning permission and move onto it before nightfall on the day of eviction. If they can't - then the question really remains - where does BWFCi suggest they go?

Round in circles. Council house...home.....wales....chad

there's a hole in my bucket....

[TANGODANCER]

councils DO make exceptions - they deny planning permission to perfectly sensible proposals for traveling showman sites for a plethora of bollox reasons that suddenly DON'T apply to other proposed developments. that's the nub of the problem...

If you'll forgive the comment Bish, a slightly diffrent wording there. Travelling showmen are almost a closed shop and most families have been in the trade a very long time.They also book sites in advanceto set up fairground rides and sideshows with local councils. The only time they aren't moving around is when they "winter" in a usually agreed area. The Silcox family from Westhoughton are a spring-to-mind example. They aren't your usual treveller classification. The employees of such aren't exactly Oxford graduates, but they usually play by the rules.

[thebish]

councils DO make exceptions - they deny planning permission to perfectly sensible proposals for traveling showman sites for a plethora of bollox reasons that suddenly DON'T apply to other proposed developments. that's the nub of the problem...

If you'll forgive the comment Bish, a slightly diffrent wording there. Travelling showmen are almost a closed shop and most families have been in the trade a very long time.They also book sites in advanceto set up fairground rides and sideshows with local councils. The only time they aren't moving around is when they "winter" in a usually agreed area. The Silcox family from Westhoughton are a spring-to-mind example. They aren't your usual treveller classification. The employees of such aren't exactly Oxford graduates, but they usually play by the rules.

indeed - and given that (around here) showman quarters are routinely refused planning permissions for a plethora of bollox reasons that suddenly DON'T apply to other proposed developments - then whatever term you would prefer for a gypsy site has no chance at all...

[Lord Kangana]

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[thebish]

It's not just the International Monetary Fund... now even the Tory chairman of the Commons Treasury select committee has described the Government's long-term economic policies as "inconsistent and incoherent" and said other key planks of strategy were contradictory, and at best irrelevant.

not the best start to Dave's conference jolly....