The wonderful EU and Migration thread!

[Worthy4England]

That didn't answer the question.

Oddly, it will barely matter. What the EU seem to be barely grasping, & very late, is that Brexit would be like removing a keystone in a bridge. There is opposition to the European Project across the EU. It may not collapse completely if the UK exited but it will end the ceaseless March and, over time, will make it a quite different beast than it has been marching toward.

Of they'd just left it at being the EEC then it would have been excellent.

Despite Hoboh's protestations to the contrary, as long as our trading conditions aren't adversely affected (which I'm still waiting to see from the "Out" club) - then I'm not too fussed one way or t'other. But to convince me that out would be a good idea, then I'm going to need persuading that the trading conditions aren't going to be adversely affected by our exit - otherwise I'll almost certainly vote to remain.

[Hoboh]

Islamic State in Iraq and Levant (Isil) is increasingly exploiting the huge migrant flows to set up jihadist sleeper cells throughout Europe

Isil jihadists are exploiting the migrant crisis to smuggle terrorists into Europe with fake passports they can then use to travel to the UK, British intelligence officials fear.

Islamic State in Iraq and Levant (Isil) is increasingly exploiting the huge migrant flows to slip jihadist cells through undetected to launch attacks in the UK and elsewhere.

They are mainly travelling on fake Syrian or Iraqi passports which are now so sophisticated it is almost impossible to distinguish between genuine refugees and terror suspects.

The concerns will increase pressure on European leaders to get a grip on the migrant crisis that is engulfing the EU.

It is feared sleeper cells are being established in the UK and across Europe having been sent back by their Isil commanders fully trained and with attack orders.

The strategy is being run out of Isil’s Syrian stronghold in Raqqa where would-be recruits are briefed and handed new identities.

It also means suspects who were under watch by the intelligence agencies suddenly vanish.

It came as one of the EU's most senior officials disclosed that six in 10 migrants arriving in Europe are economic migrants with no right to asylum.

Frans Timmermans, the first vice president of the European Commission, said that the majority of those coming to the EU are not fleeing war or persecution and that they should be deported.

"It's about 60 per cent of all asylum seekers," he said, citing internal figures held by Frontex, the EU border agency. "These are people that you can assume have no reason to apply for refugee status."

Strange how all the 'racists' and 'bigots' are being proven to be correct in what they have been saying!

Even the reluctant EU are being forced to admit they have cocked up and are placing our security in jeopardy with their programs, yet another stab in the bleeding hearts!

[Enoch]

I don't see why racist bigots shouldn't get stuff right. Doesn't alter the fact they're racist bigots

[Enoch]

"These are people that you can assume have no reason to apply for refugee status."

I would take issue with that statement. The fact that they did clearly demonstrates that they did, if you catch my drift.

[Worthy4England]

Islamic State in Iraq and Levant (Isil) is increasingly exploiting the huge migrant flows to set up jihadist sleeper cells throughout Europe

Isil jihadists are exploiting the migrant crisis to smuggle terrorists into Europe with fake passports they can then use to travel to the UK, British intelligence officials fear.

Islamic State in Iraq and Levant (Isil) is increasingly exploiting the huge migrant flows to slip jihadist cells through undetected to launch attacks in the UK and elsewhere.

They are mainly travelling on fake Syrian or Iraqi passports which are now so sophisticated it is almost impossible to distinguish between genuine refugees and terror suspects.

The concerns will increase pressure on European leaders to get a grip on the migrant crisis that is engulfing the EU.

It is feared sleeper cells are being established in the UK and across Europe having been sent back by their Isil commanders fully trained and with attack orders.

The strategy is being run out of Isil’s Syrian stronghold in Raqqa where would-be recruits are briefed and handed new identities.

It also means suspects who were under watch by the intelligence agencies suddenly vanish.

It came as one of the EU's most senior officials disclosed that six in 10 migrants arriving in Europe are economic migrants with no right to asylum.

Frans Timmermans, the first vice president of the European Commission, said that the majority of those coming to the EU are not fleeing war or persecution and that they should be deported.

"It's about 60 per cent of all asylum seekers," he said, citing internal figures held by Frontex, the EU border agency. "These are people that you can assume have no reason to apply for refugee status."

Strange how all the 'racists' and 'bigots' are being proven to be correct in what they have been saying!

Even the reluctant EU are being forced to admit they have cocked up and are placing our security in jeopardy with their programs, yet another stab in the bleeding hearts!

No - they were coming out with the same shite, long before there was any "refugee crisis" from Syria and Iraq. They're just racist bigots.

[Hoboh]

No - they were coming out with the same shite, long before there was any "refugee crisis" from Syria and Iraq. They're just racist bigots.

I remember Farage being ridiculed by some when he said there was millions of migrants queuing to come to Europe!

There is nothing racist or bigoted about not wanting to share your home/country with anyone from anywhere irrespective of what they believe or how they live, how many is smart arse PC Enoch putting up and paying for?

It is very unlikely I would vote for UKIP again, my main objective of a referendum on EU membership and open debate on how far the PC mob have bullied folk in the past, inducing feelings of guilt over not sharing their enthusiasm to carry out social engineering, have been met.
Laws exist to deal with racism and discrimination, it's the shit around calling black boards, chalk boards and tip toeing around other issues so as not to upset the sensitivity's of some that need to be dealt with. When you read articles like I did last week about one bloke blaming the way German women were dressed for the sex assaults, likening them to naked antelope being chucked in front of Lions and the fact beer is so freely available as a cause of supposed non drinking Muslim men going bonkers, it beggars belief! No doubt there are those who would share his point of view and they want their backsides slapping, hard!

[Worthy4England]

Who do you want to blame for the half of our immigration that comes from outside the EU and not via Turkey?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Dear TW Sirs,
Please stop using the term migrants and migration when referring to current affairs. Please instead refer to these people as immigrants and the process as immigration.
Yours Faithfully
The Gnu Migration Committee

[Hoboh]

Who do you want to blame for the half of our immigration that comes from outside the EU and not via Turkey?

I'm not anti immigration per se nor stupid enough not to realise we do have some obligations, I was a supporter of the Gurkhas for example. It is all about proper controls, the malarkey of this extended family business needs sorting out, the skills people have should be key factors in any decisions, in answer to your question the UK government are responsible aided in no small way by the human rights legal leeches.
One example I read recently was of an immigrant to this country bemoaning the fact he couldn't bring his 'sick mother' over to look after her and the legal people were working on it. Now I am sorry if his mother is genuinely sick but to be honest, most people would consider in such a case, returning to look after her, well I would.
The whole business of immigration is screwed up, needs reforming and you cannot just have an open doors, free for all policy such as Schengen.
From what I believe if I won the lottery and wished to retire to say Canada I would have to prove I could support myself including medical bills and invest in that country before being able to live there. I don't think it's that easy either if I was, say, a brain surgeon if they had a few of them. Monty will no doubt correct this if I'm wrong, but that's how I understand it.
Why do we have to be different?

[Prufrock]

You have to do that (prove you can support yourself) here if you want to move from outside the EU. The income you need is well above the average salary too IIRC.

[Hoboh]

You have to do that (prove you can support yourself) here if you want to move from outside the EU. The income you need is well above the average salary too IIRC.

Is that not a fairly recent development? Or is it one of those regulations that was fairly lax?

[Hoboh]

Settlement
•ensuring indefinite leave and naturalisation applicants, who normally rely on an English language qualification, take a secure English language test
•the introduction of the £35k minimum earnings threshold for Tier 2 settlement, which will come into force on 6 April 2016

That's all I could find and it looks like it is not in force yet, couldn't see anything related to medical and other benefits.

[Prufrock]

Settlement
•ensuring indefinite leave and naturalisation applicants, who normally rely on an English language qualification, take a secure English language test
•the introduction of the £35k minimum earnings threshold for Tier 2 settlement, which will come into force on 6 April 2016

That's all I could find and it looks like it is not in force yet, couldn't see anything related to medical and other benefits.

Guy I used to work with had to move back to Bangladesh when his initial visa ran out. Needed £35k income and £x thousand pounds savings. This was 18 months ago.

[Hoboh]

Settlement
•ensuring indefinite leave and naturalisation applicants, who normally rely on an English language qualification, take a secure English language test
•the introduction of the £35k minimum earnings threshold for Tier 2 settlement, which will come into force on 6 April 2016

That's all I could find and it looks like it is not in force yet, couldn't see anything related to medical and other benefits.

Guy I used to work with had to move back to Bangladesh when his initial visa ran out. Needed £35k income and £x thousand pounds savings. This was 18 months ago.

I pulled that from the .gov site.

[Worthy4England]

Who do you want to blame for the half of our immigration that comes from outside the EU and not via Turkey?

I'm not anti immigration per se nor stupid enough not to realise we do have some obligations, I was a supporter of the Gurkhas for example. It is all about proper controls, the malarkey of this extended family business needs sorting out, the skills people have should be key factors in any decisions, in answer to your question the UK government are responsible aided in no small way by the human rights legal leeches.
One example I read recently was of an immigrant to this country bemoaning the fact he couldn't bring his 'sick mother' over to look after her and the legal people were working on it. Now I am sorry if his mother is genuinely sick but to be honest, most people would consider in such a case, returning to look after her, well I would.
The whole business of immigration is screwed up, needs reforming and you cannot just have an open doors, free for all policy such as Schengen.
From what I believe if I won the lottery and wished to retire to say Canada I would have to prove I could support myself including medical bills and invest in that country before being able to live there. I don't think it's that easy either if I was, say, a brain surgeon if they had a few of them. Monty will no doubt correct this if I'm wrong, but that's how I understand it.
Why do we have to be different?

The point is, we're not that different. Canada reports 5.5 immigrants per 1000 pop as it's net migration rate - we're at somewhere around 2.5 (2014). I'm in general agreement that unlimited immigration isn't a good place to be, despite some of your protestations to the contrary.

I don't believe we should accept just anyone who turns up on the door-step. There are rules governing who we will and won't take. Our Border Controls are our own - so why blame the EU? Like I say half our immigration doesn't come from the EU...

[Montreal Wanderer]

Who do you want to blame for the half of our immigration that comes from outside the EU and not via Turkey?

I'm not anti immigration per se nor stupid enough not to realise we do have some obligations, I was a supporter of the Gurkhas for example. It is all about proper controls, the malarkey of this extended family business needs sorting out, the skills people have should be key factors in any decisions, in answer to your question the UK government are responsible aided in no small way by the human rights legal leeches.
One example I read recently was of an immigrant to this country bemoaning the fact he couldn't bring his 'sick mother' over to look after her and the legal people were working on it. Now I am sorry if his mother is genuinely sick but to be honest, most people would consider in such a case, returning to look after her, well I would.
The whole business of immigration is screwed up, needs reforming and you cannot just have an open doors, free for all policy such as Schengen.
From what I believe if I won the lottery and wished to retire to say Canada I would have to prove I could support myself including medical bills and invest in that country before being able to live there. I don't think it's that easy either if I was, say, a brain surgeon if they had a few of them. Monty will no doubt correct this if I'm wrong, but that's how I understand it.
Why do we have to be different?

The point is, we're not that different. Canada reports 5.5 immigrants per 1000 pop as it's net migration rate - we're at somewhere around 2.5 (2014). I'm in general agreement that unlimited immigration isn't a good place to be, despite some of your protestations to the contrary.

I don't believe we should accept just anyone who turns up on the door-step. There are rules governing who we will and won't take. Our Border Controls are our own - so why blame the EU? Like I say half our immigration doesn't come from the EU...

Actually we've never been as low as 5.5 per 1000 this century. 2014 was 5.66 which was below average. See Index Mundi for the last 15 years. I don't think immigration is seen as a real problem here. Our birth rate is 1.61 births per woman (2012), so immigration is perceived as important in keeping the population and GDP up.

[thebish]

also, most of Canada is basically empty of humans!

[TANGODANCER]

also, most of Canada is basically empty of humans!

So is Scotland. Unfortunately, there are no council houses in the empty parts and the waiting lists for shepherds and fishermen is a mile long....(okay, joking, joking) ..

[Worthy4England]

Who do you want to blame for the half of our immigration that comes from outside the EU and not via Turkey?

I'm not anti immigration per se nor stupid enough not to realise we do have some obligations, I was a supporter of the Gurkhas for example. It is all about proper controls, the malarkey of this extended family business needs sorting out, the skills people have should be key factors in any decisions, in answer to your question the UK government are responsible aided in no small way by the human rights legal leeches.
One example I read recently was of an immigrant to this country bemoaning the fact he couldn't bring his 'sick mother' over to look after her and the legal people were working on it. Now I am sorry if his mother is genuinely sick but to be honest, most people would consider in such a case, returning to look after her, well I would.
The whole business of immigration is screwed up, needs reforming and you cannot just have an open doors, free for all policy such as Schengen.
From what I believe if I won the lottery and wished to retire to say Canada I would have to prove I could support myself including medical bills and invest in that country before being able to live there. I don't think it's that easy either if I was, say, a brain surgeon if they had a few of them. Monty will no doubt correct this if I'm wrong, but that's how I understand it.
Why do we have to be different?

The point is, we're not that different. Canada reports 5.5 immigrants per 1000 pop as it's net migration rate - we're at somewhere around 2.5 (2014). I'm in general agreement that unlimited immigration isn't a good place to be, despite some of your protestations to the contrary.

I don't believe we should accept just anyone who turns up on the door-step. There are rules governing who we will and won't take. Our Border Controls are our own - so why blame the EU? Like I say half our immigration doesn't come from the EU...

Actually we've never been as low as 5.5 per 1000 this century. 2014 was 5.66 which was below average. See [url=http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=ca&v=27] Index Mundi [/b] for the last 15 years. I don't think immigration is seen as a real problem here. Our birth rate is 1.61 births per woman (2012), so immigration is perceived as important in keeping the population and GDP up.

Aye UK isn't exactly 2.5 either - think I rounded a bit.

[Montreal Wanderer]

Who do you want to blame for the half of our immigration that comes from outside the EU and not via Turkey?

I'm not anti immigration per se nor stupid enough not to realise we do have some obligations, I was a supporter of the Gurkhas for example. It is all about proper controls, the malarkey of this extended family business needs sorting out, the skills people have should be key factors in any decisions, in answer to your question the UK government are responsible aided in no small way by the human rights legal leeches.
One example I read recently was of an immigrant to this country bemoaning the fact he couldn't bring his 'sick mother' over to look after her and the legal people were working on it. Now I am sorry if his mother is genuinely sick but to be honest, most people would consider in such a case, returning to look after her, well I would.
The whole business of immigration is screwed up, needs reforming and you cannot just have an open doors, free for all policy such as Schengen.
From what I believe if I won the lottery and wished to retire to say Canada I would have to prove I could support myself including medical bills and invest in that country before being able to live there. I don't think it's that easy either if I was, say, a brain surgeon if they had a few of them. Monty will no doubt correct this if I'm wrong, but that's how I understand it.
Why do we have to be different?

The point is, we're not that different. Canada reports 5.5 immigrants per 1000 pop as it's net migration rate - we're at somewhere around 2.5 (2014). I'm in general agreement that unlimited immigration isn't a good place to be, despite some of your protestations to the contrary.

I don't believe we should accept just anyone who turns up on the door-step. There are rules governing who we will and won't take. Our Border Controls are our own - so why blame the EU? Like I say half our immigration doesn't come from the EU...

Actually we've never been as low as 5.5 per 1000 this century. 2014 was 5.66 which was below average. See Index Mundi for the last 15 years. I don't think immigration is seen as a real problem here. Our birth rate is 1.61 births per woman (2012), so immigration is perceived as important in keeping the population and GDP up.

Aye UK isn't exactly 2.5 either - think I rounded a bit.

We've been dropping steadily since 2008, but I imagine the current crisis will see a significant increase.