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Lord Kangana · Post by **Lord Kangana** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:22 am

thebish wrote:
Lord Kangana wrote:The bible is a fairytale anyhow. You don't see people looking for Hansel, Grettel, and houses made of sweets inhabited by a witch in every forest you get to, so heaven knows what they're looking for elsewhere.
heaven??

The pedant's pedant strikes again!

thebish · Post by **thebish** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:33 am

Lord Kangana wrote:
thebish wrote:
Lord Kangana wrote:The bible is a fairytale anyhow. You don't see people looking for Hansel, Grettel, and houses made of sweets inhabited by a witch in every forest you get to, so heaven knows what they're looking for elsewhere.
heaven??
The pedant's pedant strikes again!

you know you wanted me to!

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:46 am

Agree that the Thomas Gospel is no new thing Bish, and also see where Puskas comes from. Personally these things interest rather than anger me. Theories abound about most things historical, but it's the research and proving/disproving of them that makes the world go round. Gullibility is a personal thing and laughable in people of crankish nature, but there's also enjoyment in the topic, for me at least. The Pyramids still draw theories, as do most things of a religeous nature, relics, the Turin Shroud etc etc still rouse massive arguments that are not being totally proven by anyone. Just that very fact and the mystery surrounding it all is enjoyable to me. All comes back to the provable versus the uncertain.

I have a theory of my own and it's that there is a core mystery somewhere amongst it all and all the revelations are deliberate red-herrings to keep drawing people in the wrong directions. Maybe I'm entirely wrong, but it keeps me amused and interested to keep pursuing possibilities. The beauty of any mystery is in the pursual of it because, once solved, that's it, fun's over.

thebish · Post by **thebish** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:58 am

the world without mystery would be a very flat and uninteresting place - but (to me) - fake mystery is no substitute for real mystery...

the whole genre of code-conspiracies is that they try too hard to create a mystery where there isn't one and the conclusion is then absurd and the reasoning they use to reach it insults the intelligent brain.

if the Holy Blood and the Holy Grail was about football it would read as follows...

Kaka is a midfielder - hmmmm... a creative one, no less... Bolton need one of those. He once told a reporter that he likes steak... some of the best steak and kidney pies are made in Bolton - coincidence? I think not - especially if you know that Megson has recently been interested in players whose surnames begin with K - like Klasnic - and it is undeniable that Bolton have signed Klasnic - and his surname begins with K - and he wasn't born in Bolton - JUST LIKE KAKA - but then you have to realise that kaka is a christian - and there are churches in Bolton - that's a fact - i think the conclusion is inescapable - that Bolton are about to sign Kaka - everything I have said in this book is FACT

Bruce Rioja · Post by **Bruce Rioja** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:20 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:The Pyramids still draw theories, as do most things of a religeous nature, relics, the Turin Shroud etc etc still rouse massive arguments that are not being totally proven by anyone.

I thought that carbon dating had shown that to be about 1300 years out!

William the White · Post by **William the White** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:12 pm

Puskas wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:
Lord Kangana wrote:The bible is a fairytale anyhow. You don't see people looking for Hansel, Grettel, and houses made of sweets inhabited by a witch in every forest you get to, so heaven knows what they're looking for elsewhere.
Heretic. Auto de Fe for you mate.
Auto de Fe? Is he Abdoulaye Fe's brother?

His car, surely???

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:30 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:The Pyramids still draw theories, as do most things of a religeous nature, relics, the Turin Shroud etc etc still rouse massive arguments that are not being totally proven by anyone.
I thought that carbon dating had shown that to be about 1300 years out!

Still inconclusive I think. The carbon dating (I'm speaking from memory here) was apparently a bit suspect due to being taken from a repaired area of the Shroud, but the Vatican won't let any more be cut. Latest version of thought has Leonardo da Vinci having made/painted it. (TV programme a few weeks back) I'll hold judgement for now.

You may like to check this out:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4210369.stm

Bruce Rioja · Post by **Bruce Rioja** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:44 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:
Bruce Rioja wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:The Pyramids still draw theories, as do most things of a religeous nature, relics, the Turin Shroud etc etc still rouse massive arguments that are not being totally proven by anyone.
I thought that carbon dating had shown that to be about 1300 years out!
Still inconclusive I think. The carbon dating (I'm speaking from memory here) was apparently a bit suspect due to being taken from a repaired area of the Shroud, but the Vatican won't let any more be cut. Latest version of thought has Leonardo da Vinci having made/painted it. (TV programme a few weeks back) I'll hold judgement for now.

No worries, Tango. I'm not coming down on either side of the debate, but you'd think that The Vatican might want to know one way or t'other!

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:46 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:
Bruce Rioja wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:The Pyramids still draw theories, as do most things of a religeous nature, relics, the Turin Shroud etc etc still rouse massive arguments that are not being totally proven by anyone.
I thought that carbon dating had shown that to be about 1300 years out!
Still inconclusive I think. The carbon dating (I'm speaking from memory here) was apparently a bit suspect due to being taken from a repaired area of the Shroud, but the Vatican won't let any more be cut. Latest version of thought has Leonardo da Vinci having made/painted it. (TV programme a few weeks back) I'll hold judgement for now.
No worries, Tango. I'm not coming down on either side of the debate, but you'd think that The Vatican might want to know one way or t'other!

Have a look at my previous post Bruce. I've added a link that may be of interest.

thebish · Post by **thebish** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:56 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:
Bruce Rioja wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:The Pyramids still draw theories, as do most things of a religeous nature, relics, the Turin Shroud etc etc still rouse massive arguments that are not being totally proven by anyone.
I thought that carbon dating had shown that to be about 1300 years out!
Still inconclusive I think. The carbon dating (I'm speaking from memory here) was apparently a bit suspect due to being taken from a repaired area of the Shroud, but the Vatican won't let any more be cut. Latest version of thought has Leonardo da Vinci having made/painted it. (TV programme a few weeks back) I'll hold judgement for now.
No worries, Tango. I'm not coming down on either side of the debate, but you'd think that The Vatican might want to know one way or t'other!

the vatican knows full well that it is not the miraculous imprint of Jesus' face on a shroud, just as they know the Mandylion is a load of donkey's cobblers....

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:59 pm

thebish wrote:
the vatican knows full well that it is not the miraculous imprint of Jesus' face on a shroud, just as they know the Mandylion is a load of donkey's cobblers....

Which, despite science and technology's every effort still leaves it unexplained as to how it got there?

Bruce Rioja · Post by **Bruce Rioja** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:59 pm

thebish wrote: the vatican knows full well that it is not the miraculous imprint of Jesus' face on a shroud, just as they know the Mandylion is a load of donkey's cobblers....

That, Bish, is basically what I was skating around!

Puskas · Post by **Puskas** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:03 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:
thebish wrote:
the vatican knows full well that it is not the miraculous imprint of Jesus' face on a shroud, just as they know the Mandylion is a load of donkey's cobblers....
Which, despite science and technology's every effort still leaves it unexplained as to how it got there?

It was painted on. Nothing mysterious. Nothing that "science and technology's every effort still leaves unexplained". Paint. Been quite well explained, has paint.

Puskas · Post by **Puskas** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:10 pm

thebish wrote:
Bruce Rioja wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:
Bruce Rioja wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:The Pyramids still draw theories, as do most things of a religeous nature, relics, the Turin Shroud etc etc still rouse massive arguments that are not being totally proven by anyone.
I thought that carbon dating had shown that to be about 1300 years out!
Still inconclusive I think. The carbon dating (I'm speaking from memory here) was apparently a bit suspect due to being taken from a repaired area of the Shroud, but the Vatican won't let any more be cut. Latest version of thought has Leonardo da Vinci having made/painted it. (TV programme a few weeks back) I'll hold judgement for now.
No worries, Tango. I'm not coming down on either side of the debate, but you'd think that The Vatican might want to know one way or t'other!

the vatican knows full well that it is not the miraculous imprint of Jesus' face on a shroud, just as they know the Mandylion is a load of donkey's cobblers....

That's a terrible thing to say. Next you'll be claiming they know that transubstantiation doesn't really occur.....

Goodness me.

thebish · Post by **thebish** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:24 pm

Puskas wrote: That's a terrible thing to say. Next you'll be claiming they know that transubstantiation doesn't really occur.....

Goodness me.

an oak tree....

William the White · Post by **William the White** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:25 pm

Puskas wrote:
thebish wrote:
Bruce Rioja wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:
Bruce Rioja wrote: I thought that carbon dating had shown that to be about 1300 years out!
Still inconclusive I think. The carbon dating (I'm speaking from memory here) was apparently a bit suspect due to being taken from a repaired area of the Shroud, but the Vatican won't let any more be cut. Latest version of thought has Leonardo da Vinci having made/painted it. (TV programme a few weeks back) I'll hold judgement for now.
No worries, Tango. I'm not coming down on either side of the debate, but you'd think that The Vatican might want to know one way or t'other!

the vatican knows full well that it is not the miraculous imprint of Jesus' face on a shroud, just as they know the Mandylion is a load of donkey's cobblers....
That's a terrible thing to say. Next you'll be claiming they know that transubstantiation doesn't really occur.....

Goodness me.

It's not all bad. I'm very pleased that non-baptised babies no longer go to limbo. Can anyone guide me when they cease to be babies - i've five non-baptised children who would deffo not like limbo... unless dancing to carribean music, of course...

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:58 pm

Puskas wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:
thebish wrote:
the vatican knows full well that it is not the miraculous imprint of Jesus' face on a shroud, just as they know the Mandylion is a load of donkey's cobblers....
Which, despite science and technology's every effort still leaves it unexplained as to how it got there?
It was painted on. Nothing mysterious. Nothing that "science and technology's every effort still leaves unexplained". Paint. Been quite well explained, has paint.

Well.......seems not? http://www.shroudstory.com/faq/

thebish · Post by **thebish** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:29 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:
Puskas wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:
thebish wrote:
the vatican knows full well that it is not the miraculous imprint of Jesus' face on a shroud, just as they know the Mandylion is a load of donkey's cobblers....
Which, despite science and technology's every effort still leaves it unexplained as to how it got there?
It was painted on. Nothing mysterious. Nothing that "science and technology's every effort still leaves unexplained". Paint. Been quite well explained, has paint.
Well.......seems not? http://www.shroudstory.com/faq/

that's you well and truly pwned puskas!

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:51 pm

Oh, I don't offer it as evidence, just another chapter in Science versus the Miracle, if you will. I just watch with great interest. Up tonow the Miracle seems to be holding its own

thebish · Post by **thebish** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:52 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:Oh, I don't offer it as evidence, just another chapter in Science versus the Miracle, if you will. I just watch with great interest. Up to now the Miracle seems to be holding its own

you really believe that or is this another Tango wind up? (just to be clear...)

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